What was the Cooper Roll? Was he the Indian Agent at that time 1865 in Indian Territory? Seems I recall that name. I am familiar with a tax roll of that time, however, I have only seen parts of it which related to my Turnbulls in Blue County, Indian Territory. Can one buy a copy of it and if so where do we apply? Perhaps this has all been answered, but I am constantly playing catch up with your messages. I tried numerous times, also, to get a copy of those who were listed on the final settlement for the heirs of Dancing Rabbit Treaty. Old Buck Press in Conway Arkansas which has had a listing on the Internet of the publication about the Choctaw Academy--names and such. Only once did I find anyone at the directory listed phone number to talk to and tried to learn how to order their books or transcripts, etc. As I recall there were order forms on the web listing, but the information seemed vague to me and I was not inclined to give my credit card number without a bit more assurance that I would get a book in return. The last few times I tried the number didn't answer. Sometimes, I came by the information I have was through the generosity of others who learned I was researching the Turnbulls. The sources are not always identified so I only have the pages pertinent to my family, but coincidentally they sometimes tell more than one might expect. I suppose it is always true, the more you learn of these wonderful ancestors, the more questions there are that call for answers. Associated with my Turnbulls are the Perkins, also Choctaw, who many had tried to find in the muster rolls from Mississippi to no avail. It now appears they may have come on their own or even with the Chickasaws in 1838 and these were from St. Laundry Parish, LA. The patriarch Nicholas Cader Perkins, d 1830, was originally from Indian Territory South Carolina. (Didn't know there were Choctaws there either, but so it says in Ancestry.com) His daughter Angelico Jerricho Perkins was my great great grandmother who married Turner Brashears Turnbull, Sr. Family stories alluded to a French connection, which if "Jerico" born 1823 d. 1893 was full blood as was accepted seemingly by the Choctaws, then that couldn't have been what was meant by the very cryptic way it was told and retold. Apparently the only ones of this family who came to Indian Territory were Jerico, and her two brothers, George and highly respected Choctaw Judge David Perkins. I recently read in the newest sanctioned (officially by the Choctaw Tribe) The Choctaw History of Oklahoma, by Professor Emeritus James Milligan, retired from SEOSU (at Durant) that Chief Peter Pitchlyn's middle initial P. stood for Perkins. That is new to several of us who had thought it might be true, but had never seen it verified. His book is well footnoted, but I don't recall seeing one for that. Since I learned only recently of the Louisiana tie to this family, I have been trying to verify how large a population there were of the Choctaws in St. Landry Parish area. I did some judicious calling to various libraries in there and learned this is basically St. Charles, and there were large groups of Choctaws several places. Fortuously, I stumbled on to a person who was a community director for something like ethnic studies, who recommend a wonderful book on the Indians of Louisiana, written by 3 professors, which I am just finishing. Although scholarly, it is not difficult reading. Perhaps, everyone else knew that the Choctaws were quite prevalent in Louisiana and they remain as one of the 3 most numerous Indian populations there today. I was surprised. I thought there may have been just a few. Coasati also spelled with a K and Tunica are the other 2 as I recall. At one time there were very many more. In appearances the Louisiana Choctaw are quite different from my other Choctaw relatives who came from Mississippi. Taller, thinner. somewhat longer face, higher foreheads It has made for very interesting differences in genetics and yet we are as still one when it comes to being Choctaw and proud of it. Frankie James, still searching for the truth.

The following is the best collection of the various rolls that I have ever seen. It is almost like being in the NARA in Fort Worth, TX, without the drive and frustration. When you click on this site it has all the rolls, in alphabetical order if I'm not mistaken, anyway just scroll down to the "Cooper Rolls" and put your cursor on the word "Cooper" and do the "click" thing. BINGO! http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/rolls.htm ----- Original Message ---- From: Taloah@aol.com To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:28:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Dennis Segelquist on Choctaw Names in Mississippi (Neshoba Co) What was the Cooper Roll? Was he the Indian Agent at that time 1865 in Indian Territory? Seems I recall that name. I am familiar with a tax roll of that time, however, I have only seen parts of it which related to my Turnbulls in Blue County, Indian Territory. Can one buy a copy of it and if so where do we apply? Perhaps this has all been answered, but I am constantly playing catch up with your messages. I tried numerous times, also, to get a copy of those who were listed on the final settlement for the heirs of Dancing Rabbit Treaty. Old Buck Press in Conway Arkansas which has had a listing on the Internet of the publication about the Choctaw Academy--names and such. Only once did I find anyone at the directory listed phone number to talk to and tried to learn how to order their books or transcripts, etc. As I recall there were order forms on the web listing, but the information seemed vague to me and I was not inclined to give my credit card number without a bit more assurance that I would get a book in return. The last few times I tried the number didn't answer. Sometimes, I came by the information I have was through the generosity of others who learned I was researching the Turnbulls. The sources are not always identified so I only have the pages pertinent to my family, but coincidentally they sometimes tell more than one might expect. I suppose it is always true, the more you learn of these wonderful ancestors, the more questions there are that call for answers. Associated with my Turnbulls are the Perkins, also Choctaw, who many had tried to find in the muster rolls from Mississippi to no avail. It now appears they may have come on their own or even with the Chickasaws in 1838 and these were from St. Laundry Parish, LA. The patriarch Nicholas Cader Perkins, d 1830, was originally from Indian Territory South Carolina. (Didn't know there were Choctaws there either, but so it says in Ancestry.com) His daughter Angelico Jerricho Perkins was my great great grandmother who married Turner Brashears Turnbull, Sr. Family stories alluded to a French connection, which if "Jerico" born 1823 d. 1893 was full blood as was accepted seemingly by the Choctaws, then that couldn't have been what was meant by the very cryptic way it was told and retold. Apparently the only ones of this family who came to Indian Territory were Jerico, and her two brothers, George and highly respected Choctaw Judge David Perkins. I recently read in the newest sanctioned (officially by the Choctaw Tribe) The Choctaw History of Oklahoma, by Professor Emeritus James Milligan, retired from SEOSU (at Durant) that Chief Peter Pitchlyn's middle initial P. stood for Perkins. That is new to several of us who had thought it might be true, but had never seen it verified. His book is well footnoted, but I don't recall seeing one for that. Since I learned only recently of the Louisiana tie to this family, I have been trying to verify how large a population there were of the Choctaws in St. Landry Parish area. I did some judicious calling to various libraries in there and learned this is basically St. Charles, and there were large groups of Choctaws several places. Fortuously, I stumbled on to a person who was a community director for something like ethnic studies, who recommend a wonderful book on the Indians of Louisiana, written by 3 professors, which I am just finishing. Although scholarly, it is not difficult reading. Perhaps, everyone else knew that the Choctaws were quite prevalent in Louisiana and they remain as one of the 3 most numerous Indian populations there today. I was surprised. I thought there may have been just a few. Coasati also spelled with a K and Tunica are the other 2 as I recall. At one time there were very many more. In appearances the Louisiana Choctaw are quite different from my other Choctaw relatives who came from Mississippi. Taller, thinner. somewhat longer face, higher foreheads It has made for very interesting differences in genetics and yet we are as still one when it comes to being Choctaw and proud of it. Frankie James, still searching for the truth. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message