Something is amiss I think when some of these people are talking about a separate tribe within the Choctaws called Sha-chi-homas. As we know it was a matriarchal society and there were a number of clans. I have a list of those somewhere. For a while I thought there were only a few. There was a next higher order I think called moities. The clans had separate names. One associated with Jerico Perkins family, i.e. a nephew Henry Perkins was said to be a descendant of the Hiyahpatukalo (close) clan, which was also said by some to be called the house of kings. I thought this might have also been true for Jerico, but was told it came from Henry's mother's family. Literally, I was told it means where two waters come together. There was a tribe assimilated by the Choctaws in Mississippi, one of whose last remaining members was a lady named Shumaka and was the mother of Choctaw Chief Robert Cole. Although I am not certain, I think her tribe was called the Chiamechas (?). I thought they were almost decimated by the Chickasaw or Creeks. I find interesting that there is a Mexican tribe of Indians with a name very similar. One of the legends is that the Choctaws "came from under the sea." I was told a while back there is a lady researcher/writer who is propounding a theory along these lines with quite a bit of supporting material. I know a professor who has done considerable research on the Coles. Chris Morgan, now of Michigan, is a fine researcher, very thorough, but even the best make mistakes--at times. I think I have also seen Green McCurtain's grave, but I thought it is in the cemetery at Tuskahoma. I have several members of the Leathers (white) family buried there. I too found it fascinating to see his grave after hearing his name all my life--the broken slab of concrete is there as well as the iron fence. Sure looks snaky. My family roots are very deep in those Kiamichi Mountains. I will be going back to Clayton and the Leathers' family reunion in June so I may have an opportunity to check it out again. That isn't San Bois County though. Green McCurtain signed the surety bond for my Turner B. Turnbull Jr. in clearing him of the murder warrant when he finally gave up after being a (Judge Parker's) wanted man for 13 years (as said by Turner's son in law). He was apparently pardoned by the president--oddly enough all the rest charged (6 of them) were dead and the remaining witness said Turner was not there that day. Probably a wise witness. Edward Gardner is also name mentioned as a riding buddy of the Turnbull boys. Supposedly he was charged with a murder of an old woman and two little girls that Simeon Turnbull confessed to on his death bed. I think they were ever bit as ruthless as the other gangs, but managed to stay on the ride side of the law most of the time and were called "vigilantes." Just a little matter of killing that black man or so when on just a lark, the way I read it. You should hear some of the family defend that one. I have come across many names in my work on this Turnbull bunch. How do I access the material that you sent me? I don't see any down load capability or do you subscribe to the service. Please feel free to use anything I send you. If anyone wants to challenge anything, I believe I have documentation for just about all of it or I can explain how I arrived such a conclusion. Fortunately or unfortunately, family stories usually have a grain of truth in them. There are some very odd family ties that I know can't be true for the Turnbulls around Caddo, but little by little I think they are shaking out. For many it is because the time frames can't be made accurate. There is a lady at Atoka maybe a Hampton connection, who is so sure Turner Jr. is the father of one of her ancestors, but from a time stand point it just couldn't be. The person she thinks he fathered is about 4 years difference in age. Many people again quote back to me, my Great uncle "Sig" James M. Flinchum's work published from the Dallas Genealogical society or whatever, but it isn't correct. Not much to be done about it, I guess.