Connotation! I get this a lot from my Yankee relatives who hate me to use the word Yankee. Intruder. It too, has a connotation to some, but to me it is just a word, which meant someone in the Nation who had not proved RIGHT to be there. Many white, black, and Mexican people were in the nations legally, before the Nations had "court systems". Of course, once the Nations were closed to anyone not "showing a passport" so to speak, than a term was needed. They were not called Intruders until there came a time a term was needed. I don't know when the term Yankee started, either, my assumption was it started during the war, but recently some where in my reading I found it in some earlier terminology. My mother's line is a Yankee line and I recently had to do some thinking on whether I used this term in a truly derogatory way, and found I really didn't, since I have so many Yankee relatives. They are just the "ones that live in the Northeast" to me. I have been curious about the TUBBE ending to a name, and was wondering if the word was a Choctaw word. I have not found any proof to it, but of course it meaning Killer or Eater, but then I do not profess to know the Choctaw Language. My own heart tells me the Tubbe ending is more than merely a descriptive term, but is a suffix denoting genealogy. As in the word BEN in Hebrew meaning "son of" My intuition tells me that it is especially meaningful today for anyone researching the line of Moshola-tubb-y. I have never proved the above with "documentation" however. Thank you Cousin David for encouraging me to speak. I hope I do not say too much. (For those waiting for Lookups...today was a good day to be in the garden, and now is a good time to talk) Nalora

Nalora, I enjoy a good discussion, without the cussin', seems we have a good many individuals who enjoy it also. I have seen major upheavals, flames I think they are called, on this particular subject. Whites were both admired and resented depending on the individual. When the Civil war ended four men were appointed by the Federal government to govern the Choctaw Nation. Thomas Edward, an intermarried Englishman, who served as the Adjutant General to Col. Jackson McCurtain, CSA, Jeremiah Ward, an intermarried blacksmith for the Union Army, Lt. Robert Patton, USA, and Sgt. Turner Patton, USA. Needless to say the Choctaw Government did not recognize them. The Patton brothers, Choctaws, were so outraged by the lack of recognition both moved to the Cherokee Nation. Jerry Ward, who was at the same time sheriff of Skullyville County, Choctaw Nation, went on to become a Circuit Court Judge, held that position until forced from office by a obscure law that kept Intermarried citizens from holding elected office. (Enforced by his estranged family.) Thomas Edwards bought a farm in the Narrows of Skullyville county and opened a trading center that became Red Oak, Oklahoma. and that's the rest of the story. Doug p.s. I've always thought the name Tubby, Tubbee, etc. indicated a warrior. One of my ancestors married Talking Warrior, Anolatubbee Nalora wrote: > Connotation! I get this a lot from my Yankee relatives who hate me to use > the word Yankee. Intruder. It too, has a connotation to some, but to me it > is just a word, which meant someone in the Nation who had not proved RIGHT > to be there. > > Many white, black, and Mexican people were in the nations legally, before > the Nations had "court systems". Of course, once the Nations were closed to > anyone not "showing a passport" so to speak, than a term was needed. They > were not called Intruders until there came a time a term was needed. > > I don't know when the term Yankee started, either, my assumption was it > started during the war, but recently some where in my reading I found it in > some earlier terminology. > My mother's line is a Yankee line and I recently had to do some thinking on > whether I used this term in a truly derogatory way, and found I really > didn't, since I have so many Yankee relatives. They are just the "ones that > live in the Northeast" to me. > > I have been curious about the TUBBE ending to a name, and was wondering if > the word was a Choctaw word. I have not found any proof to it, but of > course it meaning Killer or Eater, but then I do not profess to know the > Choctaw Language. > > My own heart tells me the Tubbe ending is more than merely a descriptive > term, but is a suffix denoting genealogy. As in the word BEN in Hebrew > meaning "son of" > > My intuition tells me that it is especially meaningful today for anyone > researching the line of Moshola-tubb-y. > > I have never proved the above with "documentation" however. > > Thank you Cousin David for encouraging me to speak. I hope I do not say too > much. > > (For those waiting for Lookups...today was a good day to be in the garden, > and now is a good time to talk) > > Nalora > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/