-----Original Message----- From: Nalora <vashti@theshop.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Indians and Intruders Books-Nalora >At 05:35 PM 3/18/00 -0800, you wrote: >>Nalora, >> >>I would appreciate any information about ANDERSON or KING or WOODREN >(WOODRUM) > >Sharon: > >In Volume 1 there are 4 ANDERSON Listed: James, Jenney, John, and Wm. H. > >Apparently there are two James ANDERSON, both are listed in the Intruders >in the Choctaw Nation, 1882. Col. James Anderson is listed in Skullyville >county, he says he is a renter. > >The other James ANDERSON is listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, >but this one is in Towson County, Wheelock, IT, and he says he is a renter. > >Jenney ANDERSON is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave Schedules, >living next door to John ANDERSON, each have 1 slave a piece, the slaves >are black, and they are living in Wade County. > >There is another John ANDERSON listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, >1882, Blue county, he is a Freedman opening a farm. > >Wm. H. ANDERSON is listed in Burials at Fort Supply, He is burial number 26 >in the old cemetary: Citizen, Post trader, Employe. Cause of death: Froze >to death. died Jan. 1873 nine miles from camp. Buried 27 Jan. 1873 in Lot # 7. > >3 KING appear in Vol. 1: Jackson, Joseph and William. > >Jackson KING is listed in Cherokee Nation Permits. He is given permits to >hire John H. STEWART and W. N. FOWLER as farmers. 01 Jan 1877 [Doc#2538] > >Joseph KING is listed twice in separate Burial papers for Fort Supply, IT. >He is burial number 57 in the old cemetary, Pvte, Band, 24th US Inf. Prior >residence: Maddison county, TN. single. Cause of death: Acute[?] Age 31 >Died 23 Mar 1882 at Post Hospital. Buried 24 Mar 1882 in Lot 57. American. > >William KING is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory slave schedules. >Choctaw Nation, Jacks Forks County, owning 3 slaves, all mulatto. > >In Volume 2 there are 7 ANDERSON listed, I will only list the first names >here, if you want details on any, just ask. C. J., H. D., J. E., Jane, N. >E., Thos, W. E. > >In Volume 2 there are 13 KING listed, again, here are the first names: >Abel, Emeline, J. A., Jeff, Jeffison, Katie, Lizzie, Mack, Matilda, Nancy, >Nellie, Robt. Q., Wm. > > >Nalora >Nalora, Could you please explain intruder for me. I have a Jenney Anderson who was married to Daniel Anderson. I have a deed where they sold their land after Daniel died. Could you tell me of the second vol. where you only lised the initials, Was the D. Daniel & maybe the J. Joseph. she had a son named John also. Thanks, Judy > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >

Judy, This is my own explanation for what an "Intruder" is, and it may be offensive to some, but then in this politically correct world, it is hard NOT to offend someone, somewhere, with something you say or do. An intruder is akin to being an illegal alien. That is to say, just as a person without a Visa or Green card is considered today to be an illegal alien in the United States today, an "Intruder" was a person (usually white, but sometimes black or mexican or other) living in the Indian Nations without a permit, or verified reason to be there. It is hard, sometimes to think of the Indian Nations as NATIONS. First of all they were smack dab in the middle of the continent, and secondly, they just barely got started with their own Governmental systems when they were done away with. There were a lot of outlaws, theives and general ne'er-do-wells in the Indian Territory, and the whole idea of trying to rid the country of all of them was a lost cause full of catch-22's to begin with...but the good thing was, it did produce paperwork, which thankfully has been preserved, and for some of us working on our genealogy, may be the only place our relatives show up for many a long year. J. E. ANDERSON in Vol 2 of Indians and Intruders is a probate judge in Tishomingo County, Chickasaw Nation. Nalora

Dog gone, here we go again. Intruders were not necessarily illegal, they were any non-citizen living in Indian Territory. Citizenship was determined by the Nation the individual claimed as his. "Indian Blood" was not the only consideration in determining citizenship. Many Indians were not considered citizens of the Tribe or Nation that their ancestors had belonged to. Citizenship was allowed to those who established a blood connection to the Tribe or Nation and lived within the boundaries of that Tribe or Nation. Someone brought up the Choctaws receiving land in Arkansas, primarily this happened with the Treaty of Suka Na Chee Creek. A band of Choctaws that removed in the 1840s and 1850s from the area of Suka Na Chee Creek. Several of this band were given grants or patents in Arkansas and never joined the Choctaws in Indian Territory and lost their citizenship in the Choctaw Nation. These grants seem to have been in Sebastian, Scott, Sevier, and Polk Counties of Arkansas. Doug Nalora wrote: > Judy, > > This is my own explanation for what an "Intruder" is, and it may be > offensive to some, but then in this politically correct world, it is hard > NOT to offend someone, somewhere, with something you say or do. > > An intruder is akin to being an illegal alien. That is to say, just as a > person without a Visa or Green card is considered today to be an illegal > alien in the United States today, an "Intruder" was a person (usually > white, but sometimes black or mexican or other) living in the Indian > Nations without a permit, or verified reason to be there. It is hard, > sometimes to think of the Indian Nations as NATIONS. First of all they were > smack dab in the middle of the continent, and secondly, they just barely > got started with their own Governmental systems when they were done away > with. There were a lot of outlaws, theives and general ne'er-do-wells in > the Indian Territory, and the whole idea of trying to rid the country of > all of them was a lost cause full of catch-22's to begin with...but the > good thing was, it did produce paperwork, which thankfully has been > preserved, and for some of us working on our genealogy, may be the only > place our relatives show up for many a long year. > > J. E. ANDERSON in Vol 2 of Indians and Intruders is a probate judge in > Tishomingo County, Chickasaw Nation. > > Nalora > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm

Doug, What do you call a non-citizen in a Nation without permission to be there? Someone who has not been established as a citizen of that Nation, nor has a permit allowing him to be in that Nation? What do you call a person who must be forceably removed from a Nation by ANOTHER Nation's police force? (Since the Indian Nations had no jurisdiction over US Citizens "intruding" in their territory, they had to PAY the US a "bounty" to have the US remove them.) What do you call a person who has complaint papers (Intruder papers) filed against them with a Nation's courts asking they be removed from that Nation as Intruders? I would call that an illegal alien, myself. Nalora