Angela, hi. This is about as good a source for most all the "rolls" that I have found: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php Larry "That Darn Indian" "They made us many promises, more than I can remember, and they kept only one. They promised to take away our land and they did." Red Cloud ----- Original Message ---- From: angela.jordan@cox.net To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:40:48 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Numbers above a FB-Choctaw name in census This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Taylor, Day Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418 Message Board Post: Ok...I have a 1930 census document for my g-gf's wife--her name was M. Louise Taylor--and it says under her parent's birthplace: Full Blood Choctaw. It also has some numbers. Now, I know that numbers above or next to a name on a ship manifest for someone who immigrated to this country means something about their naturalization...so, what I am wondering is if the numbers above Louise's parent's birthplace means something about their tribal rolls? Like they went and verified it? There is a 43-5 above where her father's birthplace is listed and there is an 83 above Louise's birthplace of Mississippi. And what would be the best site to search for her in the tribal rolls...ancestry's roll search isn't very good. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Angela, There several places to check, Have you tried NARA final roll index? There use to be a list of all Choctaw and Cherokee on the Pushmataha Oklahoma website, however I do not know ifit is still there. I believe that the Armstrong list is also onthe Nara website. If all else fails go to Choctaw web site theyhave so much history on it and I would think in their links you could find the Final Roll. I hope that this might help some, as I am not sure what you are searching for. Maxine Nabors Huckins ----- Original Message ----- From: <angela.jordan@cox.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Numbers above a FB-Choctaw name in census > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Taylor, Day > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418 > > Message Board Post: > > Ok...I have a 1930 census document for my g-gf's wife--her name was M. > Louise Taylor--and it says under her parent's birthplace: Full Blood > Choctaw. It also has some numbers. Now, I know that numbers above or > next to a name on a ship manifest for someone who immigrated to this > country means something about their naturalization...so, what I am > wondering is if the numbers above Louise's parent's birthplace means > something about their tribal rolls? Like they went and verified it? > There is a 43-5 above where her father's birthplace is listed and there is > an 83 above Louise's birthplace of Mississippi. > > And what would be the best site to search for her in the tribal > rolls...ancestry's roll search isn't very good. > > Angela > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Halito, When I receive the microfilm I will look for whom my Sarah E. Wilson descends from. rnhblm <rnhblm@yahoo.com> wrote: Halito, Surnames of Pugh, Pannell, Wilson, Cowan, Willis, Woods. I have information on most of these people except for Abner and Jimmy Wilson. I do not have information concerning the James & Elizabeth Pannell family. They were white and came here from Clark County Arkansas about 1890 with the Henry Tillman Pugh family and settled in the present Muse OK area. HT Pugh's son, Alvin Pearl Pugh married Ada Wilson. What I am looking for concerning the Wilsons would be prior to the Dawes Rolls. If anyone has access to the illegal white census, I would appreciate a look-up for Robert Willis and Abner Wilson. The only given names for Wilson are Abner, Rosanna and Jimmy (James) and of course, Ada Wilson Pugh and Mary Jane Wilson Most of the family is buried in the Muse and Whitesboro Cemetery but I have not found even a grave for Abner. Thank you, Richard Wilson wrote: Halito, I have one Wilson who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes' Commission: Sarah E. Wilson MCR# 6578, application# 641. What are some of your other surnames? Perhaps there is a correspondence on some of your other names. Imafo rnhblm wrote: My g-grandfather was Abner Wilson. I assume he was white but married a Choctaw by the name of Rosanna Willis. I've seen several variations in the spelling of Rosanna. Her parents were Robert and Sarah (Woods) Willis. Abner and Rosanna had 2 children, Ada Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson, both born in the late 1880's. These people lived in Wade County, Choctaw Nation, I.T. in what is now the Muse OK area. Abner died about 1889 and I was told he was about 30 years old at the time of his death. In years past I found some type of document that placed Abner Wilson and Robert Willis together and I think it was as illegal whites. I have misplaced that information. I also found something at one point in time that indicated Abner was born in Arkansas; it may have been the same document. My grandmother wrote in my baby book that Abner's parent's names were Jimmy Wilson and (?) Cowan. I have searched census records for Jimmy, James, JA, AJ, Abner, etc. but can not find any that I can directly link to Abner. I can find no record of these people or of Abner before his death other than what I've written here. I would appreciate any information anyone can offer on my missing Wilson family. --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Halito, Surnames of Pugh, Pannell, Wilson, Cowan, Willis, Woods. I have information on most of these people except for Abner and Jimmy Wilson. I do not have information concerning the James & Elizabeth Pannell family. They were white and came here from Clark County Arkansas about 1890 with the Henry Tillman Pugh family and settled in the present Muse OK area. HT Pugh's son, Alvin Pearl Pugh married Ada Wilson. What I am looking for concerning the Wilsons would be prior to the Dawes Rolls. If anyone has access to the illegal white census, I would appreciate a look-up for Robert Willis and Abner Wilson. The only given names for Wilson are Abner, Rosanna and Jimmy (James) and of course, Ada Wilson Pugh and Mary Jane Wilson Most of the family is buried in the Muse and Whitesboro Cemetery but I have not found even a grave for Abner. Thank you, Richard Wilson <imafo.hopiah@yahoo.com> wrote: Halito, I have one Wilson who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes' Commission: Sarah E. Wilson MCR# 6578, application# 641. What are some of your other surnames? Perhaps there is a correspondence on some of your other names. Imafo rnhblm wrote: My g-grandfather was Abner Wilson. I assume he was white but married a Choctaw by the name of Rosanna Willis. I've seen several variations in the spelling of Rosanna. Her parents were Robert and Sarah (Woods) Willis. Abner and Rosanna had 2 children, Ada Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson, both born in the late 1880's. These people lived in Wade County, Choctaw Nation, I.T. in what is now the Muse OK area. Abner died about 1889 and I was told he was about 30 years old at the time of his death. In years past I found some type of document that placed Abner Wilson and Robert Willis together and I think it was as illegal whites. I have misplaced that information. I also found something at one point in time that indicated Abner was born in Arkansas; it may have been the same document. My grandmother wrote in my baby book that Abner's parent's names were Jimmy Wilson and (?) Cowan. I have searched census records for Jimmy, James, JA, AJ, Abner, etc. but can not find any that I can directly link to Abner. I can find no record of these people or of Abner before his death other than what I've written here. I would appreciate any information anyone can offer on my missing Wilson family. --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Halito Paula and Larry: You must also understand that this was in the center of a genocidal process. One of the authors of the Dawes' Act, I have forgotten his name just now, stated that,' We want fewer Indians, not more Indians.', while debating the language of the act. So you see, the entire process was designed to decrease the number of Indians recognized by the guv. I am certain that the interviewers were told to eliminate as many as possible as well. Then there was also a lot of fraud, people speculating in Indian land, incompetence and corruption, William Ward, e.g. and so on and so on... Imafo Larry Payne <paynengineering@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Paula, 1. Most Native Americans have a darker skin tone, high cheekbones, straight normally black hair. They will look a lot like what you know of as Mexicans, simply because the people that you think of as "Mexicans" are really Apache, Commanche or some of the indigenous tribes that populated Mexico. You must remember that, at one time not long ago, Mexico encompassed Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, California, Nevada, etc., and, hence, most of the "Mexicans" are "Indian". On the other hand, most Spaniards are European and many of the true Spainards are blonde and blue-eyed. 2. As for the information on the "packet", it varied according to the information available at the time. For example, my Grandmother's "packet" contains a wealth of information due to the fact that she was Creek and her husband was Choctaw and her mother was Chickasaw....and she was living in the Choctaw Nation.....which was very confusing to the White People who were trying to figure out what Nation she was a citizen of, and what nation her four children were citizens of. So, after several hearings in front of the Federal Magistrate, and after hours of testimony by friends and relatives, I have a VERY good picture of what transpired and what amount of "degree of Indian blood" that I am. By-the-way, the Federal Magistrate came up with an ideal solution, reminiscent of Solomon of the Bible. He split the kids up, so that two of them were Choctaw and two of them were Creek. So, like I say, it depends. You could have an almost complete family history, such as I do, or you could have nothing buy a couple of papers. 3. Why would they be denied? Because they weren't Native American, or, at least, if they were, they couldn't prove it. You must understand, the U.S. Gubbermint was giving away free money and, well, everybody always wants a little free money, so there were a lot of Indians of the Wannabe Tribe suddenly showing up. AND, you also must understand that the REAL Indians did not want the Wannabes anywhere near the Nations or the Tribal Rolls. Why? Because the more Indians there were, the less each individual Indian would receive. In other words, the Gubbermint had, say, $200,000.00 and that was all they had. Splitting $200K between LESS Indians would be, shall we say, MO BENIFICIAL, if you were one of the REAL Injuns. 4. Nope, not me. Larry Payne The half-breed son of the half-breed son. "THEY MADE US MANY PROMISES, MORE THAN I CAN REMEMBER, THEY ONLY KEPT BUT ONE; THEY PROMISED TO TAKE OUR LAND AND THEY TOOK IT." --RED CLOUD (LAKOTA) CA. 1900 ----- Original Message ---- From: PSmith35@aol.com To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31:23 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Hooper I am searching for information on a John Hooper (b. Jan 1860 TN) and his wife Martha E. Aldridge (b. May 1860 AR). I've been told by my family that they are suppose to be full blooded Indians. However, I have a picture of them and he doesn't appear to be Indian, but she does (not sure if full though). In my search I have found a John Hooper who was listed on the roll as being Choctaw but was denied. I haven't made it to Oklahoma City, OK to the History Center yet to look at any paperwork. My questions are: 1. How does one know by looking at a photo if a person is Indian? 2. What information will be given on the application that I will be able to know if in fact this is my family? 3. Why would they be denied? 4. Is there anyone else related to this line? Thanks, Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1413.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Albert Yes, I am familiar with the MANN families of Virginia, but not in any way related to them. They were early settlers in Colonial Virginia, from Europe, many were Slave Owners. There is a lot of history on them. The Willis MANN listed in the 1870 Marengo Co census is not the same person who is listed in the 1900 Sumter Co census, married to Angeline. He is listed as 26 years old and states his date of birth as December 1873. There are Choctaw MANN's listed in the Dawes Final Roll Index, but concentrate on getting a copy of the marriage record and finding Willis in the 1880 census. Kathy Roberts VA

Halito, I have one Wilson who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes' Commission: Sarah E. Wilson MCR# 6578, application# 641. What are some of your other surnames? Perhaps there is a correspondence on some of your other names. Imafo rnhblm <rnhblm@yahoo.com> wrote: My g-grandfather was Abner Wilson. I assume he was white but married a Choctaw by the name of Rosanna Willis. I've seen several variations in the spelling of Rosanna. Her parents were Robert and Sarah (Woods) Willis. Abner and Rosanna had 2 children, Ada Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson, both born in the late 1880's. These people lived in Wade County, Choctaw Nation, I.T. in what is now the Muse OK area. Abner died about 1889 and I was told he was about 30 years old at the time of his death. In years past I found some type of document that placed Abner Wilson and Robert Willis together and I think it was as illegal whites. I have misplaced that information. I also found something at one point in time that indicated Abner was born in Arkansas; it may have been the same document. My grandmother wrote in my baby book that Abner's parent's names were Jimmy Wilson and (?) Cowan. I have searched census records for Jimmy, James, JA, AJ, Abner, etc. but can not find any that I can directly link to Abner. I can find no record of these people or of Abner before his death other than what I've written here. I would appreciate any information anyone can offer on my missing Wilson family. --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

Halito: I have a Jones who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes's Commission: Hattie Jones MCR# 7100, application# 1624. What are some of your other surnames? Perhaps there is correspondence on some the other names. Imafo imsometerificpig@att.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1172.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Maybe I can help some...John Hamilton McBay is my gr gr gr grandfather in doing some researching I found that his daughter (and of course Eliza West's) named Eliza Ann McBay married a James M Jones, I believe that is where the Indian comes in. Regina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Land that is now in the state of Alabama was ceded throught he following treaties: 1801: Treaty of Ft. Adams on the Mississippi, the eastern boundary fixed by a treaty with Great Britain was reaffirmed; the US received the right to build a road from Natchez, Miss. northeast across the Choctaw country to Nashville. The Choctaws surrendered their claim to a triangular piece of land on their southwestern frontier. 1802: Ft. Confederation Treaty provided for marking the eastern boundary and the Choctaws gave up a small circular tract of land north of Mobile, Ala. 1803: Supplemental treaty to define boundaries. 1805: Treaty of Mt. Dexter ceded a large tract of land across the southern portion of their territory which included portions of Miss. and the area around old St. Stephens, Ala. 1816: Final cession of lands east of the Tombigbee River. dusty List Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jeffjunior2@yahoo.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Mann Family/Choctaw County Roots > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1413.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Thank you Kathy Roberts, > > I had all but grandma Angeline's maiden name. I could not see this on the 1900 census I downloaded from Ancestry.com. I also did not know how the land was ceded from our Choctaw tribe there in AL. > > Really really, thanks! > Albert Junior > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most people who were rejected for the Final Roll in 1906 were simply because they couldn't prove/document to the satisfaction of the Enrollment Committee that they were of Indian heritage. They didn't take your word for it - one had to have proof of Indian blood (of sufficient quantity) in their direct blood lineage, or be married to someone who had. you didn't say which tribe your ancestor claimed. Also, on the John Hooper you found who was denied, are the circumstances correct for your ancestor....age, place living, etc. dusty List Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PSmith35@aol.com> To: <choctaw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Hooper > I am searching for information on a John Hooper (b. Jan 1860 TN) and his > wife Martha E. Aldridge (b. May 1860 AR). I've been told by my family that they > are suppose to be full blooded Indians. However, I have a picture of them > and he doesn't appear to be Indian, but she does (not sure if full though). > In my search I have found a John Hooper who was listed on the roll as being > Choctaw but was denied. I haven't made it to Oklahoma City, OK to the History > Center yet to look at any paperwork. My questions are: 1. How does one > know by looking at a photo if a person is Indian? 2. What information will be > given on the application that I will be able to know if in fact this is my > family? 3. Why would they be denied? 4. Is there anyone else related to this > line? > > Thanks, > > Paula > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My g-grandfather was Abner Wilson. I assume he was white but married a Choctaw by the name of Rosanna Willis. I've seen several variations in the spelling of Rosanna. Her parents were Robert and Sarah (Woods) Willis. Abner and Rosanna had 2 children, Ada Wilson and Mary Jane Wilson, both born in the late 1880's. These people lived in Wade County, Choctaw Nation, I.T. in what is now the Muse OK area. Abner died about 1889 and I was told he was about 30 years old at the time of his death. In years past I found some type of document that placed Abner Wilson and Robert Willis together and I think it was as illegal whites. I have misplaced that information. I also found something at one point in time that indicated Abner was born in Arkansas; it may have been the same document. My grandmother wrote in my baby book that Abner's parent's names were Jimmy Wilson and (?) Cowan. I have searched census records for Jimmy, James, JA, AJ, Abner, etc. but can not find any that I can directly link to Abner. I can find no record of these people or of Abner before his death other than what I've written here. I would appreciate any information anyone can offer on my missing Wilson family. --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1172.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Maybe I can help some...John Hamilton McBay is my gr gr gr grandfather in doing some researching I found that his daughter (and of course Eliza West's) named Eliza Ann McBay married a James M Jones, I believe that is where the Indian comes in. Regina

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1413.1.2 Message Board Post: Kathy, Also I saw on the 1870 Marengo County AL census that my grandpa Willis Mann lived near other Mann's, Allen Mann and his wife Ann, and a Charry Mann. This census listing shows these Manns were born in VA. Are these names known in your family? Albert Junior

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1413.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Kathy Roberts, I had all but grandma Angeline's maiden name. I could not see this on the 1900 census I downloaded from Ancestry.com. I also did not know how the land was ceded from our Choctaw tribe there in AL. Really really, thanks! Albert Junior

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: perkins-brock Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1287.1.1 Message Board Post: at one time all of ky. was part of va.

I am searching for information on a John Hooper (b. Jan 1860 TN) and his wife Martha E. Aldridge (b. May 1860 AR). I've been told by my family that they are suppose to be full blooded Indians. However, I have a picture of them and he doesn't appear to be Indian, but she does (not sure if full though). In my search I have found a John Hooper who was listed on the roll as being Choctaw but was denied. I haven't made it to Oklahoma City, OK to the History Center yet to look at any paperwork. My questions are: 1. How does one know by looking at a photo if a person is Indian? 2. What information will be given on the application that I will be able to know if in fact this is my family? 3. Why would they be denied? 4. Is there anyone else related to this line? Thanks, Paula

Hi Paula, 1. Most Native Americans have a darker skin tone, high cheekbones, straight normally black hair. They will look a lot like what you know of as Mexicans, simply because the people that you think of as "Mexicans" are really Apache, Commanche or some of the indigenous tribes that populated Mexico. You must remember that, at one time not long ago, Mexico encompassed Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, California, Nevada, etc., and, hence, most of the "Mexicans" are "Indian". On the other hand, most Spaniards are European and many of the true Spainards are blonde and blue-eyed. 2. As for the information on the "packet", it varied according to the information available at the time. For example, my Grandmother's "packet" contains a wealth of information due to the fact that she was Creek and her husband was Choctaw and her mother was Chickasaw....and she was living in the Choctaw Nation.....which was very confusing to the White People who were trying to figure out what Nation she was a citizen of, and what nation her four children were citizens of. So, after several hearings in front of the Federal Magistrate, and after hours of testimony by friends and relatives, I have a VERY good picture of what transpired and what amount of "degree of Indian blood" that I am. By-the-way, the Federal Magistrate came up with an ideal solution, reminiscent of Solomon of the Bible. He split the kids up, so that two of them were Choctaw and two of them were Creek. So, like I say, it depends. You could have an almost complete family history, such as I do, or you could have nothing buy a couple of papers. 3. Why would they be denied? Because they weren't Native American, or, at least, if they were, they couldn't prove it. You must understand, the U.S. Gubbermint was giving away free money and, well, everybody always wants a little free money, so there were a lot of Indians of the Wannabe Tribe suddenly showing up. AND, you also must understand that the REAL Indians did not want the Wannabes anywhere near the Nations or the Tribal Rolls. Why? Because the more Indians there were, the less each individual Indian would receive. In other words, the Gubbermint had, say, $200,000.00 and that was all they had. Splitting $200K between LESS Indians would be, shall we say, MO BENIFICIAL, if you were one of the REAL Injuns. 4. Nope, not me. Larry Payne The half-breed son of the half-breed son. "THEY MADE US MANY PROMISES, MORE THAN I CAN REMEMBER, THEY ONLY KEPT BUT ONE; THEY PROMISED TO TAKE OUR LAND AND THEY TOOK IT." --RED CLOUD (LAKOTA) CA. 1900 ----- Original Message ---- From: PSmith35@aol.com To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31:23 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Hooper I am searching for information on a John Hooper (b. Jan 1860 TN) and his wife Martha E. Aldridge (b. May 1860 AR). I've been told by my family that they are suppose to be full blooded Indians. However, I have a picture of them and he doesn't appear to be Indian, but she does (not sure if full though). In my search I have found a John Hooper who was listed on the roll as being Choctaw but was denied. I haven't made it to Oklahoma City, OK to the History Center yet to look at any paperwork. My questions are: 1. How does one know by looking at a photo if a person is Indian? 2. What information will be given on the application that I will be able to know if in fact this is my family? 3. Why would they be denied? 4. Is there anyone else related to this line? Thanks, Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gardner, Philpot Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1417 Message Board Post: Hi all, I am looking for any informaton you can help me with concerning my great-great grandmother Jodie Gardner. She was said to be a Choctaw and there are several pieces of evidence that seem to support this. Here's what I do know. She was born sometime around 1868 (+/- 5 years). She was married to Jesse R. Philpot (b. 1865) on January 6, 1884 in Polk Co. She gave birth to twin sons Clarence and Claude in August 1888. The Philpot family line is listed as "White" in the census prior to her entry, but Clarence and Claude are listed as "mulatto" on several subsequent census forms. Several family members saw a photo of Jodie at one point (though sadly, the photo was destroyed) and remember as having long, dark straight hair, and brown skin. Family oral tradition says that she was at least part Choctaw. I would love to confirm this oral tradition if possible and to learn more about Jodie. Thanks for any assistance you can offer.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1416 Message Board Post: At these websites it says -- http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/nations/catawba.htm At a later period [note:after 1841] some Catawba removed to the Choctaw Nation in Indian Territory and settled near Scullyville, but are said to be now extinct. http://www.dickshovel.com/Catawba.html The possibility of moving to the Choctaw section of Oklahoma was explored but ultimately rejected A second attempt to relocate the Catawba west to the Choctaw in Oklahoma also failed during 1853. http://sciway3.net/proctor/state/natam/catawba.html A few Catawba intermarried with the Cherokee in later times [note: this is talking about the North Carolina Cherokee], however, and still live there, and a few others went to the Choctaw Nation, in what is now Oklahoma, and settled near Scullyville. These also are reported to be extinct. Some families established themselves in other parts of Oklahoma, in Arkansas, and by the Sanford, Colo., where they have gradually been absorbed by the Indian and White population. ========================= I received the following email from someone who has researched the Catawba a lot. "A group of Catawba left the Nation ca. 1851 and moved to the Choctaw Nation. They received Choctaw citizenship ca. 1852 I think. I am going by memory. Ca. 1898 their descendants formed a Catawba Association out of Fort Smith, Arkansas . . . I have tried to make contact with them but to no avail." ============================== I am wondering how can I research any Catawba families that lived near Skullyville in Leflore County, based on what is written above. A great uncle wrote about my family in "Indian/Pioneer Papers" that when my family first moved to IT their lived in "either Le Flore or Sequoyah County" saying he didn't know which side of the Arkansas River they lived on. A great aunt wrote a letter to grandma that the family kept. In it she said her oldest sister died "in the Chocktow Nation" (she did spell very good) as an infant, so I think they were in Le Flore County. I took an autosomal DNA test and it came back tri-racial -- Caucasian, sub-Sahara African, and American Indian. More Caucasian than anything else, though. I am wondering if my family were some of these Catawba? Surnames of my direct family are Hawkins, Richey, Brown, Byrum, Wayland, Woods, Hamilton, Dickson, Allen, Gibson, Stuart, Guess, Black. Several of these surnames have multiple spellings. My great grandparents later moved to the Chickasaw Nation where we lived until statehood. I now live in SW Ok. Thanks, Vance Hawkins

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1413.1 Message Board Post: Albert The 1900 census may provide more information on the families you are researching. 1900 Sumter Co AL Black Bluff Twp ED 88 DW 197 FN 198 MANN Willis 26 B M b Dec 1873 AL AL AL MANN Angeline 24 B F b Mar 1876 AL AL AL MANN Mary 4 MANN Maggie 2 The couple state they have been married for 6 years. LDS lists the following : Willis MANN + Angeline FIELDS married November 7 1894 Sumter County. It may be possible to obtain a copy of the marriage record. This may give you the names of his parents. Next door to Willis and Angeline. DW 198 FN 199 FIELDS Wash 48 B M b Feb 1852 AL AL AL FEILDS Rhoda 40 B F b Dec 1859 AL AL AL Sumter County was created in 1832 from land ceded by the Choctaw Nation. By 1838, the Choctaw, along with the Creek and Cherokee Nations, had ceded all their lands in the SE and removed west of the Mississippi. Choctaw County was created in 1847 from part of Sumter and Washington counties. (Washington 1800 MS Territory) Kathy Roberts VA