Halito, I have a Louisa Smith in my line who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe under the Dawes' Commission: Louisa Smith MCR# 6843, application# 971. I do believe she was married to a white man. I will get her records and see what her maiden name was and what her husband's name was. This will take some time however, as I have just ordered numerous records and it is expensive. So please have a little patience. I will get back with you once I have the records. Imafo greenk@ada.org wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1352.4.1.1 Message Board Post: What info do you have on William Smith (#50 on the list)? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1352.4.1.1.1 Message Board Post: This William Smith was a white man but may had a wife of Indian blood? He was on the list of Indians owning farms, he was in the District No. 3 of Greenwood Leflore. He had a family of 2. And had 8 acres cultivated. Sorry to say this is all I have.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1352.4.1.1 Message Board Post: What info do you have on William Smith (#50 on the list)?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1422.1 Message Board Post: The 1855 roll would be the Cooper Roll and can be viewed at: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native The 1885 Choctaw census can be viewed at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~choc1885/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1422 Message Board Post: Does anyone have any knowledge of Isabel J. Carney,Nelson J.Carney,Lee J.Carney?Believe to be connected to Leflore's and Burns families.Or a J. Leflore married to a Carney,parents of these three.Is there a place to see the 1855 or 1885 Choctaw census online?

Hi all: My ISP is having problems. I can send mail, but can't receive it. It's been like this since Tuesday, so if anyone needs me, I'll be back as soon as the kinks are worked out...the SO's address is: dusty@bellsouth.net You can reach me there. dusty List Admin.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1421 Message Board Post: seeking information on Mary Louella Robinson, she is indian we think, was married to John Logan Towery in Christain County Ky. Mary's father was Jim Robinson we believe. Mary is buried in Ark. Any information would be helpful, thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1420 Message Board Post: Seeking information on Daisy Mae Spring married to Shep Pearson in Okla. Possible brother was Tubby, sister Lavena Spring. Buried Okla Any information helpful. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Arnold, Cowser Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1419 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on my GG-Grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Arnold. She was born in Choctaw, Mississippi in 1862. I have heard that she was part Native American. Any help or advice would be great! Thanks!

Dusty, That is a wonderful offer. I need a week or so to really get it organized, because of a project for another organization that was due October 1. I have bits and pieces of these Perkins from what I know about the 3 children of Nicholas Cader Perkins who died in 1830 in St. Landry Parish. He was married to a lady named Angeline. For my g great-grandmother Angelico Jerricho (Jerico) Perkins to be full blood Choctaw, they all had to be. It is such a curiosity for this all beginning to surface now. There was a lady in Oklahoma who had researched the Perkins, quite extensively, but never came up with the Patriarch Nicholas Cader. I looked at the web page where the Cooper rolls are briefly today. They mention the Perkins Cemetery at Caney, OK (very close to Atoka). I found that cemetery too, by accident one day. Jerico's older brother David is buried there. He was born in 1809, died in 1888. Fought in the Civil War. Several of his children are also buried there. The other brother George Perkins and my great grandfather Turner Brashears Turnbull, known as Brashears were very close and practiced law together in Blue County. George and his wife Jane (notable family may have been a McCurtain). I can't remember when George was born. He and Jane were excommunicated from the Mt. Pleasant Presbyterian Mission. I would like to know more about the Pekinese family in Louisiana. According to Ancestry. com, if I read it correctly Nicholas Cader Perkins' wife Angeline may have lived into her 80s in Tennessee. As you can see this really needs sorting out. Is this enough to begin with? Thanks a million, Frankie James

There were many small groups of Choctaws scattered around the state in various communities. You will only run across mention of them in history books and scholarly works like the one co-written by Pete (Dr. Hiram) Gregory (a friend) of Northwestern State Univ. that you mention. My own grandmother was part of the Yawani Choctaw settlement in what is now Natchitoches Parish. There are presently 3 or 4 federally-recognized Choctaw groups in the state. The Cooper Roll was supposed to be a census of those Choctaws still remaining in the state in 1865. We now know he missed many, many Indians who, by 1865, had adapted to white ways. I have seen it on Judy White's and Dennis' site: http://accessgenealogy.com/native It was done by (I think) Douglas Cooper who was some sort of Indian agent in Louisiana at that time. I am in Louisiana...can I help with your research??? dusty List Admin. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following is the best collection of the various rolls that I have ever seen. It is almost like being in the NARA in Fort Worth, TX, without the drive and frustration. When you click on this site it has all the rolls, in alphabetical order if I'm not mistaken, anyway just scroll down to the "Cooper Rolls" and put your cursor on the word "Cooper" and do the "click" thing. BINGO! http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/rolls.htm ----- Original Message ---- From: Taloah@aol.com To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:28:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Dennis Segelquist on Choctaw Names in Mississippi (Neshoba Co) What was the Cooper Roll? Was he the Indian Agent at that time 1865 in Indian Territory? Seems I recall that name. I am familiar with a tax roll of that time, however, I have only seen parts of it which related to my Turnbulls in Blue County, Indian Territory. Can one buy a copy of it and if so where do we apply? Perhaps this has all been answered, but I am constantly playing catch up with your messages. I tried numerous times, also, to get a copy of those who were listed on the final settlement for the heirs of Dancing Rabbit Treaty. Old Buck Press in Conway Arkansas which has had a listing on the Internet of the publication about the Choctaw Academy--names and such. Only once did I find anyone at the directory listed phone number to talk to and tried to learn how to order their books or transcripts, etc. As I recall there were order forms on the web listing, but the information seemed vague to me and I was not inclined to give my credit card number without a bit more assurance that I would get a book in return. The last few times I tried the number didn't answer. Sometimes, I came by the information I have was through the generosity of others who learned I was researching the Turnbulls. The sources are not always identified so I only have the pages pertinent to my family, but coincidentally they sometimes tell more than one might expect. I suppose it is always true, the more you learn of these wonderful ancestors, the more questions there are that call for answers. Associated with my Turnbulls are the Perkins, also Choctaw, who many had tried to find in the muster rolls from Mississippi to no avail. It now appears they may have come on their own or even with the Chickasaws in 1838 and these were from St. Laundry Parish, LA. The patriarch Nicholas Cader Perkins, d 1830, was originally from Indian Territory South Carolina. (Didn't know there were Choctaws there either, but so it says in Ancestry.com) His daughter Angelico Jerricho Perkins was my great great grandmother who married Turner Brashears Turnbull, Sr. Family stories alluded to a French connection, which if "Jerico" born 1823 d. 1893 was full blood as was accepted seemingly by the Choctaws, then that couldn't have been what was meant by the very cryptic way it was told and retold. Apparently the only ones of this family who came to Indian Territory were Jerico, and her two brothers, George and highly respected Choctaw Judge David Perkins. I recently read in the newest sanctioned (officially by the Choctaw Tribe) The Choctaw History of Oklahoma, by Professor Emeritus James Milligan, retired from SEOSU (at Durant) that Chief Peter Pitchlyn's middle initial P. stood for Perkins. That is new to several of us who had thought it might be true, but had never seen it verified. His book is well footnoted, but I don't recall seeing one for that. Since I learned only recently of the Louisiana tie to this family, I have been trying to verify how large a population there were of the Choctaws in St. Landry Parish area. I did some judicious calling to various libraries in there and learned this is basically St. Charles, and there were large groups of Choctaws several places. Fortuously, I stumbled on to a person who was a community director for something like ethnic studies, who recommend a wonderful book on the Indians of Louisiana, written by 3 professors, which I am just finishing. Although scholarly, it is not difficult reading. Perhaps, everyone else knew that the Choctaws were quite prevalent in Louisiana and they remain as one of the 3 most numerous Indian populations there today. I was surprised. I thought there may have been just a few. Coasati also spelled with a K and Tunica are the other 2 as I recall. At one time there were very many more. In appearances the Louisiana Choctaw are quite different from my other Choctaw relatives who came from Mississippi. Taller, thinner. somewhat longer face, higher foreheads It has made for very interesting differences in genetics and yet we are as still one when it comes to being Choctaw and proud of it. Frankie James, still searching for the truth. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What was the Cooper Roll? Was he the Indian Agent at that time 1865 in Indian Territory? Seems I recall that name. I am familiar with a tax roll of that time, however, I have only seen parts of it which related to my Turnbulls in Blue County, Indian Territory. Can one buy a copy of it and if so where do we apply? Perhaps this has all been answered, but I am constantly playing catch up with your messages. I tried numerous times, also, to get a copy of those who were listed on the final settlement for the heirs of Dancing Rabbit Treaty. Old Buck Press in Conway Arkansas which has had a listing on the Internet of the publication about the Choctaw Academy--names and such. Only once did I find anyone at the directory listed phone number to talk to and tried to learn how to order their books or transcripts, etc. As I recall there were order forms on the web listing, but the information seemed vague to me and I was not inclined to give my credit card number without a bit more assurance that I would get a book in return. The last few times I tried the number didn't answer. Sometimes, I came by the information I have was through the generosity of others who learned I was researching the Turnbulls. The sources are not always identified so I only have the pages pertinent to my family, but coincidentally they sometimes tell more than one might expect. I suppose it is always true, the more you learn of these wonderful ancestors, the more questions there are that call for answers. Associated with my Turnbulls are the Perkins, also Choctaw, who many had tried to find in the muster rolls from Mississippi to no avail. It now appears they may have come on their own or even with the Chickasaws in 1838 and these were from St. Laundry Parish, LA. The patriarch Nicholas Cader Perkins, d 1830, was originally from Indian Territory South Carolina. (Didn't know there were Choctaws there either, but so it says in Ancestry.com) His daughter Angelico Jerricho Perkins was my great great grandmother who married Turner Brashears Turnbull, Sr. Family stories alluded to a French connection, which if "Jerico" born 1823 d. 1893 was full blood as was accepted seemingly by the Choctaws, then that couldn't have been what was meant by the very cryptic way it was told and retold. Apparently the only ones of this family who came to Indian Territory were Jerico, and her two brothers, George and highly respected Choctaw Judge David Perkins. I recently read in the newest sanctioned (officially by the Choctaw Tribe) The Choctaw History of Oklahoma, by Professor Emeritus James Milligan, retired from SEOSU (at Durant) that Chief Peter Pitchlyn's middle initial P. stood for Perkins. That is new to several of us who had thought it might be true, but had never seen it verified. His book is well footnoted, but I don't recall seeing one for that. Since I learned only recently of the Louisiana tie to this family, I have been trying to verify how large a population there were of the Choctaws in St. Landry Parish area. I did some judicious calling to various libraries in there and learned this is basically St. Charles, and there were large groups of Choctaws several places. Fortuously, I stumbled on to a person who was a community director for something like ethnic studies, who recommend a wonderful book on the Indians of Louisiana, written by 3 professors, which I am just finishing. Although scholarly, it is not difficult reading. Perhaps, everyone else knew that the Choctaws were quite prevalent in Louisiana and they remain as one of the 3 most numerous Indian populations there today. I was surprised. I thought there may have been just a few. Coasati also spelled with a K and Tunica are the other 2 as I recall. At one time there were very many more. In appearances the Louisiana Choctaw are quite different from my other Choctaw relatives who came from Mississippi. Taller, thinner. somewhat longer face, higher foreheads It has made for very interesting differences in genetics and yet we are as still one when it comes to being Choctaw and proud of it. Frankie James, still searching for the truth.

Vicky Prough, very helpful, nice gal. I was up there just a couple weeks ago visiting with her. She was gone last week to NARA but should be back in Monday. ----- Original Message ---- From: Riportel@aol.com To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:16:59 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Numbers above a FB-Choctaw name in census YES THEY ARE VERY HELPFUL ASK FOR VICKY WHEN YOU CALL THE I 800 # ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES THEY ARE VERY HELPFUL ASK FOR VICKY WHEN YOU CALL THE I 800 #

My first Day connection is Mary Day b. 1713 in MD d. after 1754 in MD m. Josiah Slade b. 1718 MD d. 1776 MD Some of the descendants of Slade/DAy connection moved into Webster/Choctaw Co. as they intermarried with the Digby/Lamb families I think I may have a Margaret Taylor who married into the Allen family but have not done any work on that line as of this date Wanda -----Original Message----- From: choctaw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:choctaw-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Richard Wilson Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:37 PM To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Numbers above a FB-Choctaw name in census Halito Angela: I have 4 Days in my line who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe under the Dawes Commission: James S. Day MCR# 6524, application# 498; Robert B. Day MCR# 6858, application# 502; William L. Day MCR# 6543, application# 495; Zarilda (Fredrick) Day MCR# 6531, application# 476. Provide some more of your surnames and I will see if there are other correspondences. I have Taylors as well, but I don't have much on them. Imafo angela.jordan@cox.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Taylor, Day Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418 Message Board Post: Ok...I have a 1930 census document for my g-gf's wife--her name was M. Louise Taylor--and it says under her parent's birthplace: Full Blood Choctaw. It also has some numbers. Now, I know that numbers above or next to a name on a ship manifest for someone who immigrated to this country means something about their naturalization...so, what I am wondering is if the numbers above Louise's parent's birthplace means something about their tribal rolls? Like they went and verified it? There is a 43-5 above where her father's birthplace is listed and there is an 83 above Louise's birthplace of Mississippi. And what would be the best site to search for her in the tribal rolls...ancestry's roll search isn't very good. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418.1 Message Board Post: Have you checked teh DAWES Index to see if they are listed. Here is the link http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalindex.php If you put her parents names in you might find them. I would suggest you contact the Choctaw Nation. They should be able to assist you with your questions. Ask if they have a genealogy department when you call and tell them what the census states. I have called them before and they have been very helpful Here is there website address you will need both lines. http://www.choctawnation.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Home Here is there address and phone number Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, P.0. Drawer 1210, Durant, OK 74702-1210, (580) 924-8280, 1-800-522-6170 Good Luck J

Halito Angela: I have 4 Days in my line who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe under the Dawes Commission: James S. Day MCR# 6524, application# 498; Robert B. Day MCR# 6858, application# 502; William L. Day MCR# 6543, application# 495; Zarilda (Fredrick) Day MCR# 6531, application# 476. Provide some more of your surnames and I will see if there are other correspondences. I have Taylors as well, but I don't have much on them. Imafo angela.jordan@cox.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Taylor, Day Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418 Message Board Post: Ok...I have a 1930 census document for my g-gf's wife--her name was M. Louise Taylor--and it says under her parent's birthplace: Full Blood Choctaw. It also has some numbers. Now, I know that numbers above or next to a name on a ship manifest for someone who immigrated to this country means something about their naturalization...so, what I am wondering is if the numbers above Louise's parent's birthplace means something about their tribal rolls? Like they went and verified it? There is a 43-5 above where her father's birthplace is listed and there is an 83 above Louise's birthplace of Mississippi. And what would be the best site to search for her in the tribal rolls...ancestry's roll search isn't very good. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Taylor, Day Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1418 Message Board Post: Ok...I have a 1930 census document for my g-gf's wife--her name was M. Louise Taylor--and it says under her parent's birthplace: Full Blood Choctaw. It also has some numbers. Now, I know that numbers above or next to a name on a ship manifest for someone who immigrated to this country means something about their naturalization...so, what I am wondering is if the numbers above Louise's parent's birthplace means something about their tribal rolls? Like they went and verified it? There is a 43-5 above where her father's birthplace is listed and there is an 83 above Louise's birthplace of Mississippi. And what would be the best site to search for her in the tribal rolls...ancestry's roll search isn't very good. Angela