This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clarkmar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Since you have as a title "Blue surname", I assume you are researching that name. I have two Blue names in Collins Co., TX. One was Francis H. Blue that was married there in 1879. He was born 1 Feb 1859. The second Blue was Naomi Blue (b.15 Oct 1861)that was also married in Collins Co., TX in 1879. Naomi and her husband moved to Indian Territory and had a son born there in 1898. That was the time frame for the Final Rolls and could "possibly" be the reason they went to Indian Territory. They then moved on West, but I do not know that time frame or why. I have found many Indians in Texas before 1898. "Maybe" that is why they went to Indian Territory. I have not researched the Blue name. My son-in-law is a descendant of Naomi Blue. Marlene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vancehawkins1952 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: howdy, Thanks. Do you know where the name of a town or County/District -- "Blue" -- in the Choctaw nation, came from, its origins? It probably had nothing to do with those few Catawba I've read about, but wonderin' about something just isn't the same thing as knowin' about it. :) One o' these days -- if I live long enough to retire for good -- I'm gonna check the records at Fort Worth (National Archives) or Oklahoma Historical Society building (across the street from the state capital) and see if I can find a record of these Catawba I've been told about. On Catawba websites originating in the Carolinas they mention this migration of some Catawba families moving to near Skullyville, Choctaw Nation, but no one here in Oklahoma seems to have ever heard of it. hmmm . . . I have to exercize that gray matter -- I'm afraid it'll die out on me if I don't! :) vh Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I had thought that Blue county had some significance of the river of the same name.. There are Choctaws with the surname " Blue" in the Talihina area.... Possibly you might find this link interesting.. maybe not.......James http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v008/v008p315.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <choctaw-request@rootsweb.com> To: <choctaw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:02 AM Subject: CHOCTAW Digest, Vol 2, Issue 30 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Blue surname (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 2. Re: Blue surname (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:49:23 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blue surname > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1174776564.53552@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: vancehawkins1952 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > BLUE is one of just a few known Catawba surnames. The Catawba were a tribe > in both Carolinas, originally. > > I have been trying to get information about a few Catawba families that > lived in/near Skullyfille, LeFlore County, about 1850ish after an 1840s > treaty with the state of South Carolina (never ratified by the federal > government) sold nearly all the lands of the Catawba, scattering the much > of the tribe. Supposedly there is a record of these Catawba in historical > Choctaw archives -- somewhere . . . > > There was once a Blue District/County in the Choctaw Nation, but I don't > know how it got its name. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:28:14 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Blue surname > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1174789695.69912@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: paynengineering > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > A bunch of my wife's and my family lived in Blue, Choctaw Nation. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHOCTAW list administrator, send an email to > CHOCTAW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHOCTAW mailing list, send an email to > CHOCTAW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHOCTAW Digest, Vol 2, Issue 30 > ************************************** > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paynengineering Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A bunch of my wife's and my family lived in Blue, Choctaw Nation. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vancehawkins1952 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: BLUE is one of just a few known Catawba surnames. The Catawba were a tribe in both Carolinas, originally. I have been trying to get information about a few Catawba families that lived in/near Skullyfille, LeFlore County, about 1850ish after an 1840s treaty with the state of South Carolina (never ratified by the federal government) sold nearly all the lands of the Catawba, scattering the much of the tribe. Supposedly there is a record of these Catawba in historical Choctaw archives -- somewhere . . . There was once a Blue District/County in the Choctaw Nation, but I don't know how it got its name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SandraWright500 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Although the Choctaw Slaves were freed in 1866, their status in the Choctaw Nation became that of FREEDMEN of the Choctaw and Chickasaw Tribes in the Indian Territory and were listed on the final Dawes Rolls in the FREEDMEN index. These Choctaw citizens and their descendants could legally lay claim to citizenship of the Choctaw Nation with the same rights and privileges. Many of these FREEDMEN stayed on with their original owners as paid employees while others settled on their own land. There is an account in the Oklahoma Pioneer Papers archives of a freedmen of the Roebuck family that wrote about his life and that of his parents living in the Roebuck family and being treated like family. This was not an exception but the rule with the Choctaw culture. The families that were determined to be of Choctaw Heritage whether on the Dawes Rolls or Freedmen Rolls at the time they closed the census rolls at the turn of the century were declared members of the Choctaw Nation and each given a set amount of land allotment. This land allotment was extended to every member down to a newborn. After the final rolls were closed, no one could make additional claims. The Choctaw Nation today considers anyone who can show documentation of direct descendants from any of those people who were listed on that Final Dawes and Freedmen Rolls can become a registered member of the Choctaw Nation. There are several sites on the Internet, libraries and National Archives that have copies of these Dawes and Freemen Rolls. The LDS Churches in many areas also have genealogy research facilities to help you with you research. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paynengineering Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh, yeah. Something else. You don't mind being a little bit "black" do you? The reason I ask, you say? Because being a "little bit black" is kinda like being a "little bit pregnant". As far as that goes, according to Choctaw Law, being a "little bit" Choctaw is as good as being of "full quantum".......and allows you to participate in "tribal affairs" (and, no, "tribal affairs" doesn't mean havin sex with an Injun......unless you just happen to feel like it!). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paynengineering Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I see your face, Teresa (old Injun greetin, with lots of tradition behind it.) I will do some checking for you. I have all the rolls available to me on microfilm. Keep checking back here, or e-mail me. paynengineering@yahoo.com Normally, I don't take on such important tasks. Why, 'cause I'm old and lazy. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TeresaHunt57 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: So I gather from your reply that my greatgrandmother's famliy were slaves of the Hurst family until they were freed? I have traced Hattie's family to 1788 in Virginia. but I want to be sure that I have the right famliy. My grandmother was the one that use to tell me stories of her childhood. She died in 1974 and I wish I had paid more attention to what she told me! I know she said that her mother had a reservation number or I guess this is what you called a white card. She and her husband kept all of their important papers in a bank safty deposit box. The bank closed because of the depression and they never were able to retrieve their papers. I can not find any "Roll" that lists her or her parents. Do you know if the government kept records of briths on the reservation in 1887? I don't have much Choctaw blood in me and I haven't been raised in their ways but I would love to learn more about them!! Teresa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paynengineering Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My people are Choctaw. We all came from Mississippi. My Mother's from Philadelphia, Mississippi. My Father's from Ocean Springs, Mississippi. My Father's people were Choctaw Freedmen (and women, of course ;-). They all originated as Slaves of the family of Benson's/Hendrix's. The Benson and Hendrix were all of full quantum at that time (1830-1870). When the War of Northern Aggression began, Missie Hendrix offered to allow the "slaves" of their family to go north......she actually had found jobs for them in one of the factorys in CT. They refused to go, said they were better off being part of the family and cared about, instead of going up north. So, they stayed, and were granted their munumition (freedom). Now, because they were "kept" (the folks around Ocean Springs, the Choctaws, they never did really "get" the concept of "owning" someone) they just made the people that had stayed with them, well, part of the family. Anyway, it was different, different times, different ideas. The Benson's owned several sawmills and a large trading post. The Hendrix's, a lot of prime cotton land. They were "very well off" as my Grandparents were fond of saying, and, in turn, the Freedmen became "well off, also". Anyway, some moved to the Choctaw Nation, some stayed in Mississippi. Some of my folks (me included) are what is called Mississippi Choctaw, some of my folks (me included) are of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma and some of my folks (me...well, you get the picture by now) are Freedmen. And, fer gosh sakes, DO NOT ask me to separate all this out to be understandable. I've got all this genealogy "computerized" and have the "family trees" all printed out here somewhere.....just before the computer blew a fuse ;-)! Anyway, I've got a "white card" that I haven't looked at in years.......all I need to know is that my folks (me, too) are what we are, and I don't need to try to convince anyone that I'm Choctaw.........heck, I eat fry bread for three meals a day! BTW, The Wife just got through getting her "white card"...she is 50 y.o. and everyone had always said that her Mother's people were Indian.....I always told her, "yeah, right Blondie". She hasn't quite let up on me about that, yet. Gotta keep takin her to the stomp dances....! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TDJ_07 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Choctaws freed all slaves in 1866. She would not have been a slave if she were born in 1887. HTH Tammy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thunt11571 Surnames: HURST, HUBBARD, JOHNSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/2847/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have always known that my greatgrandmother was full Choctaw but I have recently discovered that she was a slave. Her name was Hattie Jane HURST. She was born on an Indian Reservaton in Oklahoma Oct. 1887. Her Indian name was Desert Flower and her brother's was True Feather. She was married in 1903 in Muskogee, OK to a Henry HUBBARD She became pregnant but he died before the child was born. I am told that her brothers sold her to my greatgrandfatherIsaac "Pete" JOHNSON. I have found a date for a marriage between them but can not find true evidense of a marriage. It may be the date that he bought her. They left Oklahoma on a raft and settled in Ledwidge Arkansas where my grandmother and her syblings were born. If Hattie was a slave, was she born one? Was her brothers not slaves too? I do not know the customs of the Choctaw tribe. If she was a slave how could I find any record of her? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Although the Choctaw Slaves were freed in 1866, their status in the Choctaw Nation became that of FREEDMEN of the Choctaw and Chickasaw Tribes in the Indian Territory and were listed on the final Dawes Rolls in the FREEDMEN index. These Choctaw citizens and their descendants could legally lay claim to citizenship of the Choctaw Nation with the same rights and privileges. Many of these FREEDMEN stayed on with their original owners as paid employees while others settled on their own land.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BarbaraKaler68 Surnames: Brogdon/Brogden/MacElyea Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/959.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know nothing about tracing my Indian ancestry. All I have are board messages that reveal that my GG=grandparents, Mary Ann Ryan (Brogden) and Clayburn/Claiborn Brogden had four children. One of which is mentioned to have be largely Choctaw. Her name was Missouri Jane Brogden and she married a John MacElyea. The MacElyea are thought to be Cherokee and the Brogdens Choctaw. Thomas C. MacElyea #40584 in Tennessee, Charlotte Brogden #31181 in Tennessee, Lilly AF Brogdon #2260 in Georgia are on the Eastern Cherokee Roll of 1909. Please email me if you know of any of these people, it is urgent. bmkfwk@sbcglobal.net. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BarbaraKaler68 Surnames: Brogden/Brogdon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/959.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Joe, I hope you receive this message. I really need any information you or someone can give me concerning Clayburn Brogden and Mary Ann Ryan. They are my gg-grandparents. Charles is their son. The spelling my family uses is Brogdon with an "o" rather than an "e" but all the other info. is correct. I have five of their great grandchildren trying to find our Indian connection. The oldest is 93 and would love to know how he is connected. Do you know if the connection is through Mary Ann Ryan or through Clayburn Brogden. My email is: bmkfwk@sbcglobal.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

MCR stands for Mississippi Choctaw Rejected. You had to live in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma) during the enrollment period in order to be recognized as a tribal member. If this is your Mary Ann Ryan her family evidently opted to stay in Mississippi. Maybe someone else can explain this record a little better. Dawes Final Rolls Results Total Records: 7 Tribe Last First Middle Age Sex Blood Card Roll Misc Type Choctaw Ryan Bonnie L 6 F 1/32 MCR 5782 PETTY MCR Choctaw Ryan Fannie C 0 F MCR 5782 P Choctaw Ryan Fred B 9 M 1/32 MCR 5782 PETTY MCR Choctaw Ryan James Gillison 0 M MCR 5782 P Choctaw Ryan James T 32 M 1/16 MCR 5782 PETTY MCR Choctaw Ryan Mary Ann 0 F MCR 5782 P Choctaw Ryan Tommy P 11 M 1/32 MCR 5782 PETTY MCR Prev [1] Next "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BarbaraKaler68 Surnames: Brogdon/Brogden/MacElyea Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/959.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know nothing about tracing my Indian ancestry. All I have are board messages that reveal that my GG=grandparents, Mary Ann Ryan (Brogden) and Clayburn/Claiborn Brogden had four children. One of which is mentioned to have be largely Choctaw. Her name was Missouri Jane Brogden and she married a John MacElyea. The MacElyea are thought to be Cherokee and the Brogdens Choctaw. Thomas C. MacElyea #40584 in Tennessee, Charlotte Brogden #31181 in Tennessee, Lilly AF Brogdon #2260 in Georgia are on the Eastern Cherokee Roll of 1909. Please email me if you know of any of these people, it is urgent. bmkfwk@sbcglobal.net. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shovelbudsolady Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/1086.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a paper from the 1870 census for n carolina , it has 2 Bryant Britts #1 in Robeson and #2 in Moore Co.the 1st is in 26 yrs old , the 2nd is 49 says the 49 year old says female ?? 1st is on pg 31 and 2nd is on 489 .Hope this helps. I am also researching Britts but I dont think ours is the same . Thats all I have on Bryant , I knew I had seen the name in my papers. good luck Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: greyb_1 Surnames: Brogdon, Perry Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/959.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have done some work on the Brogdons side from SC to Georgia (some went to Flordia)and then to Indian territory in 1895(Oklahoma) and marrying into Choctaws (Perrys)there at Atoka.If this would be helpful contact me. Grey Brogdon Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Marilynn95 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/789.11.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I was doing this for someone else and she is no longer interested in looking for her Native American family. She needed proof for her son to go to college. I'm sorry. Marilynn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: zndnmoon Surnames: Beavers, Penn, Bowser, Machen, Jones Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.natam.nations.choctaw.choctawnat/789.11.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi there ~ I have Beavers line - Am looking for info Re: ANy Beavers of indian/ native desecent -- My line I can only trace back to 1800's and then it stops ..... I am seeking my family.. any help is appreciated Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.