In a message dated 2/15/2000 7:11:18 PM Central Standard Time, epaul@usac.net writes: << Wrong way to fill out the census.....you cannot count your children as Native American unless the person that has the CDIB card fills out the census card. If you fill out the card instead of your spouse everyone on card will be counted as white. I hope this will help you and please have your spouse fill out the census card and mark Native American, and write OK Choctaw or MS Choctaw which ever tribe he is a member. >> This sounds a little strange to me. I mean if we list ourselves as we are: Choctaw and husband or wife that is white. But we can't do that they either have to be all white or all Choctaw? That doesn't sound right to me. If I fill out the card and list myself as Choctaw daughter as Choctaw and husband as white the whole thing will be a waste because it won't count?? I am so confused...???? Jami

You have to have a CDIB card to put down you are Choctaw. Hopefully someone on the list can confirm this. Kelli ----- Original Message ----- From: <CrazyCL52@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] 2000 census > Hi everyone, > > I have a ? about marking the census as Indian. I was always told that I had > Indian in us but as of yet I have not been able to prove it. So should I > still mark it as Indian since I may in fact not be Indian? Or should you > only mark it as Indian if you are registered? I want to be truthful but I > also want the Indians to be counted too so that they may get all that they > deserve. Can someone answer this ? for me. Thanks. > > Carol > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ > >

I'm sure that there will be a big fight about this but...... if your not a tribal member how would your marking Native American Indian help anyone. Your not going to help me by lying. Let your conscience be your guide. Doug CrazyCL52@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a ? about marking the census as Indian. I was always told that I had > Indian in us but as of yet I have not been able to prove it. So should I > still mark it as Indian since I may in fact not be Indian? Or should you > only mark it as Indian if you are registered? I want to be truthful but I > also want the Indians to be counted too so that they may get all that they > deserve. Can someone answer this ? for me. Thanks. > > Carol > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/

Carol, As a white person who has always been told I have indian blood in my family line I am putting that I am White. I am married to a Choctaw and have 2 children with him. I will list my children as Indian. Hope this helps! Lisa

Hi everyone, I have a ? about marking the census as Indian. I was always told that I had Indian in us but as of yet I have not been able to prove it. So should I still mark it as Indian since I may in fact not be Indian? Or should you only mark it as Indian if you are registered? I want to be truthful but I also want the Indians to be counted too so that they may get all that they deserve. Can someone answer this ? for me. Thanks. Carol

Arline is that the roll number listed next to the persons name on the Dawes Final Rolls listed at http://www.nara.gov/nara/fortwor.html ? Peace! Slimey -------------------original Message-------------------- From: SJohn10547@aol.com Date: Mon, Feb 14, 2000, 10:23pm (CST+1) To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] ANDERSON FAMILY Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com   <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ohsrlib.htm">Oklahoma Research Library</A> OHS, Archives and Manuscripts Division, 2100 N. Lincoln Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73105-4997. Phone (405) 522-5209, Fax (405) 521-2492 I visited the library and found the information myself, but I believe you can write and request the information. The above link should give you information in payment and what records are available. I believe I had to have the roll number and the census card number in order to find the enrollment packet. Hope you have as much success as I did. Arline ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Looking for your Native American Ancestors in Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/

How can I get me an enrollment packet from the Oklahoma Historical society or the Choctaw Nation to find out information on Albert Gable who may have been my uncle who is now deceased? I had a uncle by that name. And I see it on the dawes rolls Can anybody tell me what I need to do to get a enrollment packet on his name? Peace! Slimey - -------------------------------------------- Sun, Feb 13, 2000, 8:26pm (CST+1) From:    SJohn10547@aol.com To:    CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject:    Re: [CHOCTAW] ANDERSON FAMILY Arline Wrote: I got my enrollment packets from the Oklahoma Historical Society. Many pages of valuable information was included, but as mentioned earlier, some enrollees had an empty packet. Arline surnames: Pugh, Pannell, Wilson, Willis, Woods, Hickman and Manley.

Hi Alli, No the lessons are not once a week! Go to http://www.choctawnation.com. On the site click language lessons. That will tell you all the things that you are required to do. This site is the site that you will click onto for your lessons. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Language Classes > Are the classes once per week? > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma > >

Maybe we all tried to answer at the same time :) If I don't get it go thru I'll just call. I just wondered why it wouldn't "reply". Yakoke, Shelley

Hi Shelley, So far mine has gone though. If you can not sent her the email pick up the phone and call. Ellen > [Original Message] > From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/14/00 6:06:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Language Classes > > I received a message from Teresa Garcia in the language dept. asking me to > reply letting her which classes I want to attend. > When I replied, I got it back with fatal errors. Has anyone else been able > to reply to this message from her? > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma > --- Ellen Scott --- us2scotts@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I received a message from Teresa Garcia in the language dept. asking me to reply letting her which classes I want to attend. When I replied, I got it back with fatal errors. Has anyone else been able to reply to this message from her? Thanks, Shelley

I am looking for info. Philip Colbert. He was born around 1850-1860 in se okla. He married Eliza. They had a son named Aaron around 1880. He married Serena Carnes. They had Sam Aaron Colbert. Married Margaret Loring. Their son was Sampson Lee Colbert. Any info would be appreciated!!! Lisa Colbert

Many tribes and Native people have asked, "How are CSBG and other program funding levels determined and how can we get our allocation increased?" The answer is the 2000 Census. Current funding level is based on the results of the 1990 Census. American Indians were severely undercounted in 1990, which resulted in severe reductions in funding and services throughout the entire country. Census data is what is used to determine not only CSBG funding levels, but virtually every federal program that benefits American Indians and Alaska Natives (e.g., education, housing, health, energy assistance, job training, child care, head start). We need to make sure Indian people are not undercounted again in the 2000 Census. Make sure your tribal members understand the critical need for an accurate count. You can assure them that all answers provided are strictly confidential, with no way to connect answers or personal information to an individual. Provide the following information to your tribal members on how to answer the Census: o Check Indian as the only race listing no other admixture (white, black, etc.) o Enter the name of your tribe using only 19 letters. o Check with tribal officials to ensure everyone in the tribe is using the same tribal name with the same spelling. o Make sure that the person #1 on the Census lists as Indian, because everyone in the household will be counted as the same race as #1. Be sure to have a tribal representative attend any Inter-Tribal Complete Count Committee meetings that may be being held in your area. -------------------- The 2000 Census surveys will be mailed out on March 20 to all residential addresses. April 4 is the actual count day, when those without residential addresses will be counted. There will also be a house-to-house canvassing of homes that do not return the mail-out surveys. Let's make sure that WE are not undercounted in the 2000 Census. -- André Cramblit, Operations Director The Northern California Indian Development Council ( http://www.ncidc.org ) NCIDC is a non-profit organization that helps meet the social, educational, and economic development needs of American Indian communities. NCIDC operates a fine art gallery and gift boutique featuring the best of American Indian Artist's and their work, with emphasis placed on the work of the Tribes of N.W. California. (http://www.ncidc.org/gift/gifthome.htm#anchorgift)

I'm sorry, I didn't get my roll numbers from the nara site so someone else will have to answer that question. My guess would be "yes". Arline

<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ohsrlib.htm">Oklahoma Research Library</A> OHS, Archives and Manuscripts Division, 2100 N. Lincoln Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73105-4997. Phone (405) 522-5209, Fax (405) 521-2492 I visited the library and found the information myself, but I believe you can write and request the information. The above link should give you information in payment and what records are available. I believe I had to have the roll number and the census card number in order to find the enrollment packet. Hope you have as much success as I did. Arline

Looking for more info on this Choctaw family: 4795 Cole, Wilson 37 M Full card # 1700 4797 Cole, Titus 16 M Full " 4799 Cole, Louisiana 11 F Full " 4800 Cole, Amy 8 F Full " 4801 Cole, Anice 4 M Full " I know that Anice married Aurora NOAH. They had a son named Irvin COLE named after her father Irvin NOAH. Irvin married Ida JONES daughter of Israel JONES. All are living around Atoka Co. I.T. (now Oklahoma) Thanks for any help, Tammy Dice Jones wjones@texhoma.net

Are the classes once per week?

I tried answering about the classes and got fatal errors too.

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