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Did you get the copyies in the mail on Ward?

Hi Donna, glad you could peek in, if just to say hi. I wanted to let you know real quick that i read the book you recommended, "Nations Remembered" by Theda Perdue and it is wonderful. In case you didn't know, it is based on the Pioneer Papers I have posted on my surname board and that are located at the state historical society. The book is a refreshing change from the government-info-based books about the removal and territory. Other books I recommend: "The Dawes Commission and the Allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes," 1893-1914 by Kent Carter ---a scholarly book. "After the Trail of Tears: The Cherokees Struggle," by William McLoughlin, University of North Carolina Press -- I am just now reading. "The Five Civilized Tribes," by Grant Foreman, OU press --- he is a leading authority who was in charge of the WPA project that resulted in Pioneer Papers. OU Press "Indian Removal," by Grant Foreman, OU Press -- just bought, havent read yet, but see above. "History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw and Natchez Indians,' by H.B. Cushman, edited by Angie Debo --- an indepth historical prospective. OU Press "Indians of North American, The Choctaw,"by Jesse O. McKee -- part of a series that is a basic primer Anything by Angie Debo. The ones I have read are "And Still the Waters Run, The Betrayal of the Five Civilized Tribes," and "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic." These are about allotments and how Choctaws handled them. I also hear "Geronimo" is good. She is an Oklahoma treasure. OU Press. "Choctaws and Missionaries in Mississippi, 1818-1918," Clara Sue Kidwell. -- self-explanatory; a good view of the Folsoms and their role in Choctaw History. OU Press. "Way Down Yonder in the Indian Nation," by Michael Wallis (of Tulsa), St. Marten's Griffin -- just plain ole fun. Except for the McKee book, these are all widely available in paperback. Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com Impson Mailing List administrator Impson Surname Board administrator Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm </A> Check out the Impson Surname Board at http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others.

Jacque and everyone: Just my opinion...for what it's worth. There are several of us on the Choctaw and Choctaw-SE list who have resources such as lists, rolls, etc.in their private library that might be able to really help someone out there looking for any clue to their ancestors NA heritage. I for one am happy to do lookups on the resources I have (listed below) and have made this offer on several surname mail lists that I am on. The Tribal Enrollment offices are swamped these days with everyone trying to find that lost "indian in the cupboard" in their family. As we have seen, many of these people have nothing more than a family story or rumor. When I started trying to document 30 years ago, I didn't have the faintest clue where to go or what to do. I now have a little more knowledge and experience in researching NA records. Don't you guys think the tribal offices would be happy for us to serve as sort of unofficial "front-line" researchers. Maybe they wouldn't - I'm just asking. If we can be of service by looking up exact census card nos., etc. it stands to reason that the whole process could go a little smoother. Seems to me we are in a position to take a lot of the work off the tribal office. I know they must have a tremendous backlog, as I have friends who have sent in applications and queries and it has taken them 2 years to get replies. Has anyone asked the Tribal Office what they think about us doing lookups? I see nothing wrong with putting up a page on our site listing the names of members who are willing to do lookups and what resources they have available. Justmy opinion.... Whacha' think, gang??? Here's what I've got: Indes to Final Dawes Rolls, Five Civilized Tribes (Choctaw, Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Chickasaw. Index to applications for Final Dawes Rolls, 1898-1914. Applications for Final Dawes Rolls rejected. The following rolls are for EASTERN CHEROKEE only: 1817 Reservation Roll, 1817-1835 Emigration Roll, 1835 Henderson Roll, 1848 Mullay Roll, 1851 Siler Roll, 1852 Chapman Roll, 1869 Swetland Roll, 1883 Hester Roll, 1908 Churchill Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller East Roll, 1924 Baker Roll. These are for WESTERN CHEROKEE (Oklahoma): 1851 Old Settler Roll, 1852 Drennen Roll, 1898-1914 Dawes Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller West Roll. If anyone wants to know why each one of these rolls was done and more info about it, contact me privately. Iam happy to offer these resources to anyone who need a lookup provided you follow my request guidelines. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Forwarded messages to the list >Well I'm not really sure. I told her about the Choctaw list and asked her >if she wanted to subscribe. But I haven't heard anything yet. > >Like Markie, I am getting messages from the Choctaw Nation web site asking >for help. So I am wondering if I should just forward them to this list also >and ask everyone to respond to the person who sent the original message. > >What does everyone think? I appreciate your input. > >Jacque in SE ID >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Fw: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > > >> Jacque: >> >> What sort of info. did this lady want?? Looks like shes got all of her >> appropriate numbers. >> >> dustyc@microgear.nt >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> >> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:12 PM >> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: choctaw muskogee oklahoma >> >> >> >Forwarding as she is not a member of the list. I wouldn't know where to >> >start to tell her where to look. >> > >> >Jacque >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: glenda <sully1@jps.net> >> >To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> >> >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 2:01 PM >> >Subject: choctaw muskogee oklahoma >> > >> > >> >> oxford, josephine (Dawes Roll No. #4717) choctaw roll & nation Card >No. >> >> #1673 >> >> date of application for enrollment 5/12/1899, Muskogee, Ok >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >> >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >> > >> >> >> ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >> Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >> Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >> > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >

Thought this appropriate to forward to the lists. > >From the St. Lawrence Valley Genealogical Society (SLVGS) News, Fall > 1999: > > "The U. S. Postal Service has never had a stamp promoting family history research, yet genealogy is America's most popular hobby. If you would like to see a stamp honoring genealogy, contact the U. S. Postal Service, 476 L'Enfant Plaza, SW, Room 4474B, Washing, DC 20260-6756, OR e-mail them at: mailto:customer@email.usps.gov" > You might consider posting this on other lists to which you subscribe. > Jacque Hopkins Wolski hopkinsj@ida.net Pushmataha County Coordinator web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html My personal family web site at: http://www.maxpages.com/mygenroots 'Last Will and Testament: Being of sound mind, I spent all my money.' Listowner of OKPUSHMA-L, CHOCTAW-L, CHATHAM-L, HOLLEY-L and DEMOSS-L mailing lists. Manager of the GENCONNECT boards for the lists above. Proud Rootsweb sponsor.

Well I'm not really sure. I told her about the Choctaw list and asked her if she wanted to subscribe. But I haven't heard anything yet. Like Markie, I am getting messages from the Choctaw Nation web site asking for help. So I am wondering if I should just forward them to this list also and ask everyone to respond to the person who sent the original message. What does everyone think? I appreciate your input. Jacque in SE ID ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Fw: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > Jacque: > > What sort of info. did this lady want?? Looks like shes got all of her > appropriate numbers. > > dustyc@microgear.nt > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:12 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > > > >Forwarding as she is not a member of the list. I wouldn't know where to > >start to tell her where to look. > > > >Jacque > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: glenda <sully1@jps.net> > >To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> > >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 2:01 PM > >Subject: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > > > > > >> oxford, josephine (Dawes Roll No. #4717) choctaw roll & nation Card No. > >> #1673 > >> date of application for enrollment 5/12/1899, Muskogee, Ok > >> > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >

Hi Jacque, Everyone has voted yes on the Choctaw Southeast list so far... so I'm with you on forwarding them all to the list. Hopefully we can help all of them out, or they could help us out. :) They could decide to join us here on our list if they want to. There have been several who I don't know how to help, but hopefully our list members can. So I vote yes too! <G> Markie At 06:30 PM 03/05/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Well I'm not really sure. I told her about the Choctaw list and asked her >if she wanted to subscribe. But I haven't heard anything yet. > >Like Markie, I am getting messages from the Choctaw Nation web site asking >for help. So I am wondering if I should just forward them to this list also >and ask everyone to respond to the person who sent the original message. > >What does everyone think? I appreciate your input. >

--part1_dd.208bdef.25f483bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_dd.208bdef.25f483bc_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <OKPUSHMA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:43:43 -0500 Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [206.169.84.39]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:43:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20275; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:34:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:34:04 -0800 Message-ID: <005b01bf8714$4cac01e0$aeaf8dd0@default> From: "Jacque Hopkins Wolski" <hopkinsj@ida.net> Old-To: <HOLLEY-L@rootsweb.com>, <CHATHAM-L@rootsweb.com>, <DEMOSS-L@rootsweb.com>, <WOLSKI-L@rootsweb.com>, <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com>, <CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: <OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:33:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [OKPUSHMA] Genealogy Stamp Resent-Message-ID: <GdXATC.A.i8E.Lsww4@lists3.rootsweb.com> To: OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/127 X-Loop: OKPUSHMA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OKPUSHMA-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this appropriate to forward to the lists. > >From the St. Lawrence Valley Genealogical Society (SLVGS) News, Fall > 1999: > > "The U. S. Postal Service has never had a stamp promoting family history research, yet genealogy is America's most popular hobby. If you would like to see a stamp honoring genealogy, contact the U. S. Postal Service, 476 L'Enfant Plaza, SW, Room 4474B, Washing, DC 20260-6756, OR e-mail them at: mailto:customer@email.usps.gov" > You might consider posting this on other lists to which you subscribe. > Jacque Hopkins Wolski hopkinsj@ida.net Pushmataha County Coordinator web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html My personal family web site at: http://www.maxpages.com/mygenroots 'Last Will and Testament: Being of sound mind, I spent all my money.' Listowner of OKPUSHMA-L, CHOCTAW-L, CHATHAM-L, HOLLEY-L and DEMOSS-L mailing lists. Manager of the GENCONNECT boards for the lists above. Proud Rootsweb sponsor. ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi --part1_dd.208bdef.25f483bc_boundary--

Laurie, do you have any Collins married to your Buckner's? I have a Henry Buckner b:1816 IN. m: Parthena Black b: 1820 IN. They came to Ar. Mary and Lucinda (2 of their children) were married to brothers James M. Collins and William Smith Collins. I have more info if these names are familiar. Lee Ann Collins

I am looking for the ancestors of my great great grandmother, Isabelle (sp?) Leflore Burns. I know that she was married to Henry Frieland Buckner "Buckner" Burns on August 23 or 26, 1869 at what is now Leflore, OK (it's speculated that she was 21 or 22 years old at the time they were married) and that she died on February 6, 1879. She had at least 3 children with Buckner: Henry Franklin, my great grandfather - born June 1872 and died June 1946; Mattie A. - born 1877 and died 1936; and William J. - born January 29, 1879 and died July 23, 1953. Also at the time of the marriage, Isabelle had an illegitimate daughter, Janie, that was about 5 years old at that time and who died in 1894 or 1895. Isabelle's half-brother was Joseph "Joe" Leflore; they shared the same father, Wallace (sp?) Leflore. It's possible that Isabelle's mother's name was Judie or Julie and that she had a sister (half-sister?) named Lizzie that was married to Buckner's brother Burton. Buckner is listed on ! the Dawes Rolls, Choctaw Nation as an intermarried white, #1542; Henry Franklin Burns is listed as 1/2 Choctaw on the Dawes Rolls, Choctaw Nation, #8872. Any information that can be shared will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Laurie Gibson P.O. Box 111 Haskell, OK 74436-0111

Hi, I'm looking for parents of Amzi ROBINSON b.abt 1800 ?NC parents of Mary E RIDDLE b abt 1860s, married James Alexander Loring ROBINSON Linda Griffith GRIFFLK@aol.com

Am trying to find out about the Cushman family that resided in the Indian Terr. Harriet Elizabeth Cushman married Eli Forbes, a member of the Choctaw Nation in the Indian Terr. They resided in Love/Blue Co. I think the name of the town was Marsdon. Or something like that. It was close to Carter Co.

Jacque: What sort of info. did this lady want?? Looks like shes got all of her appropriate numbers. dustyc@microgear.nt -----Original Message----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: choctaw muskogee oklahoma >Forwarding as she is not a member of the list. I wouldn't know where to >start to tell her where to look. > >Jacque >----- Original Message ----- >From: glenda <sully1@jps.net> >To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 2:01 PM >Subject: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > > >> oxford, josephine (Dawes Roll No. #4717) choctaw roll & nation Card No. >> #1673 >> date of application for enrollment 5/12/1899, Muskogee, Ok >> > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

----- Original Message ----- From: <HudsonK@aol.com> To: <ARSEVIER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: [ARSEVIER] National Archives Fire Feb 29, 2000 > > > http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0301-131.html > > Kathy >

Forwarding as she is not a member of the list. I wouldn't know where to start to tell her where to look. Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: glenda <sully1@jps.net> To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: choctaw muskogee oklahoma > oxford, josephine (Dawes Roll No. #4717) choctaw roll & nation Card No. > #1673 > date of application for enrollment 5/12/1899, Muskogee, Ok >

I am on this list because I was advised that the Chickasaw nation was also included here. If there is a better/more appropriate list, please advise. We have a family tradition of an Indian ancestor. My mother was often told by her father that his grandmother was full blood Indian and his grandmother German making him 1/4 of each. Living in TN, the early assumption was Cherokee. I am wondering if perhaps she was Chickasaw. Please critique my thinking and provide any help. Agness (Floyd- a daughter's death certificate gives this maiden name) Greener was born in 1821 in GA, TN, AL depending on the source being consulted. Her oldest known child was born in 1852 in TN. I have found no marriage for her, cannot locate her and children until 1870 census. At that time, she is a widow living in Henderson Co, TN. Because of the possible birth in GA and AL and also because Henderson Co borders north of Hardin Co which had a known Chickasaw presence, I have begun to think that perhaps she was Chickasaw. In addition, we have discovered that a grandson was living in the "Southern District of the Indian Territory Chickasaw Nation" in 1902. I am, however, having a problem researching for Chickasaw information both specific "genealogical" type info and also general info to increase my knowledge about this particular Indian tribe. Any good books, tips, etc greatly appreciated. Renea grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: O. G. <SLIMEY_1@webtv.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] lookup Choctaw Land I hope this may also help some of you all who are searching for land allotment information. Peace, Slimey GENERAL NOTE: LAND ALLOTTMENTS You may also order LAND ALLOTMENT JACKETS from the address below are by email at their email address: archives@ftworth.nara.gov A copy may be requested through the National Archives--Southwest Region, P.O. Box 6216, Fort Worth, TX 76115-0216. Please include in your request the name of the tribe, enrollment category, roll number, and census card number. COPIES OF THE LAND ALLOTMENT JACKETS, which were completed by enrollees for admittance, are also available through the National Archives--Southwest Region. Once again, include all the pertinent roll information for the individual that you wish to purchase a copy of the completed land allotment jacket. The cost for copies of these materials is $10 each. ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma

I hope this may also help some of you all who are searching for land allotment information. Peace, Slimey GENERAL NOTE: LAND ALLOTTMENTS You may also order LAND ALLOTMENT JACKETS from the address below are by email at their email address: archives@ftworth.nara.gov A copy may be requested through the National Archives--Southwest Region, P.O. Box 6216, Fort Worth, TX 76115-0216. Please include in your request the name of the tribe, enrollment category, roll number, and census card number. COPIES OF THE LAND ALLOTMENT JACKETS, which were completed by enrollees for admittance, are also available through the National Archives--Southwest Region. Once again, include all the pertinent roll information for the individual that you wish to purchase a copy of the completed land allotment jacket. The cost for copies of these materials is $10 each.

I have the same Bohanons in my line also..Mine connect through Christopher Spring who was married to Susan Bohanon, sister of Joshua Bohanon..I believe this is the same line. Lynda Canezaro, LBCane@aol.com

for all those wanting lookups on the Choctaw Land I emailed yesterday, this is the proper place to asK: pensacola@mindspring.com thanks, Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com Impson Mailing List administrator Impson Surname Board administrator Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm </A> Check out the Impson Surname Board at http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others.

My great-grandmother's name was Lavine Brown Motes with a roll # 9506. I saw the name Brown on this list and know that she was in Oklahoma because my grandmother was born here on 1/19/1909 . Was that name as common then as it is now? Could this possibly have been her family? I am brand new to this search, so anything you say could help. Thanks Pam Gallear Edmond