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    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor
    2. Gene Forbes
    3. There were definately Native Americans in Lincoln Co. Tenn. even after the "march". However, to this day, those still residing in Lincoln Co. (the old families...like from the 1820's) either do not want to recoginize the fact or else they are still trying to revise history! My great-grand mother Laura Kerbo, daughter of Jerimah Middleton Kerbo/Curbo (1/2 Cherokee) and Susanah Sullenger (1/2 Cherokee...or more) and grand daughter of Thomas Sullenger and Mary Hollack (Cherokee) was born in Lincoln Co. Tenn. They tried for generations to say they were not Native American. But, pictures are worth a thousand words. There was an area of Lincoln Co. that was the "Indian" area. It later became part of Franklin Co. Tenn. None of them signed any of the rolls. Everyone knew who the "Indians" were in those parts...and no body was talking because most likely they too were kin! Did your kin come to Lincoln Co. by way of Ga. or N.C.? Most likely you will never be able to find your kin on a roll but you will probably be able to trace them to their roots before Lincoln Co. Carmen McDaniel Forbes At 06:30 AM 3/13/00 EST, you wrote: >From: jtinkm@exis.net (john tinkham) >To: rlang90547@aol.com > >I just found your web page on Choctaws. > >I am looking for information on my wife's grandmother's grandmother, who >was a Choctaw. Her daughter was Frances Catherine Rowell, born Feb. 13, >1830 in Tennessee, probably in Lincoln County because there were some >Rowells there and that county is next to the county of Frances's husband, >Edward Rich of Franklin County. All I know of the father of Frances was >that his name must have been Rowell too. The Choctaws lived in Mississippi >then, and Mississippi and Tennessee were connected by the Natchez Trace, >with much travel over that trail. So maybe Mr. Rowell was a missionary or >trader who traveled between TN and MS, or maybe the Choctaw who married him >was raised in a missionary school in TN. The Rich family was Methodist and >there were missionaries in that family. So I have tried to investigate >Methodist missionary schools but without success. I engaged a genealogist >in Lincoln County but she couldn't help me much. I have also learned a lot >about the Choctaw Indians in my research. > >Any suggestions on other ways to find out about this Choctaw woman who >married a Mr. Rowell from TN before 1830? > > >Dear John: >I can't believe you ancestry parallels mine so exactly: tennessee, >mississippi, missionaries,choctaw woman, etc. >You have really done your homework. I have not figured out how to trace >Indian ancestors before they intermarried with whites or were enrolled on >government rolls. Once they got involved with the U.S. there are tons of >records, but before, if they couldn't read or write English they are nearly >impossible to trace. >I wish I had answer but I don't. If you know that they settled in Indian >Territory, Okla., I might be able to help you. but as far as the pre-removal >mississippi days, it is an enigma. >Have you read "Choctaws and Missionaries in Mississippi" by Clara Sue >Kidwell? There are a lot of footnotes from which you might be able to get >records. If you find an answer please share it with me. >I will forward this to another list and to one who knows quite a bit about >Missionaries in Mississippi/Louisiana who might be able to help you. >Does anyone have an answer? > >Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com > Impson Mailing List administrator > Impson Surname Board administrator > Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm > <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm > </A> > Check out the Impson Surname Board at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ > Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, > COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, > GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, > ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others. > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

    03/13/2000 09:55:54
    1. [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee
    2. LORI WINSHIP
    3. Hello, I wondered if anyone out there has any information on my grandmother's parents? My Grandmother is named Seyon (Walker)Winship she died in 1917. I requested information from the Fort Worth Archives and received her packet of enrollment papers. I would like to find out about her parents who were full blood Choctaw's. (Father) Noahubbee and (Mother) Ka-ne-o-tema of Tobucksy Co. Ok. They were listed as dead on Seyon's census card of 1903. Would anyone have a census listing them? and what would their names mean in Choctaw? Thanks for your help. Lori

    03/13/2000 06:54:30
    1. [CHOCTAW] Stand Up For Your Heritage
    2. Andre P. Cramblit
    3. " The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the dust and blood of our ancestors." Chief Plenty Coups-Crow Nation United States Census 2000 The Time for All Indigenous Peoples to Stand and Be Counted by Barbara "Shining Woman" Warren The United States Constitution mandates a census every 10 years to determine how many seats each state will have in the U.S. House of Representatives. The information regarding population is used to formulate future information to be utilized by governmental agencies, including tribal governments, communities and businesses. About a week before Census Day - April 1, 2000 - most households will receive a questionnaire by mail. Census takers will deliver forms to the remaining households. The Census 2000 questionnaire that most people will get will ask about seven subjects: name, sex, age, relationship, Hispanic origin, race and housing tenure. Multi-Race Origins: Prior to the Census 2000, individuals were able to identify with only one racial group. This will be the first time individuals can check more than one of their racial origins. Those individuals who have American Indian ancestry can self-identify with their principal tribal heritage as well as identifying with another racial group(s). Multi-Tribal Origins: It will be up to the person to determine which tribe he or she claims to be affiliated with on this form. It is all self-reporting. The Census will not verify this information with the federally recognized tribes. There will be the option of identifying with up to three tribes. The principal tribe is listed first; a second tribe can be listed under the "some other race" category. A third tribe can be listed under the "other Asian" category. Stand Up and Be Counted! Self-identify!! There are millions of people with indigenous ancestry in the United States today who are barred by the policies of the federal government and federally recognized tribes as being American Indian. We are also aware in past family histories with indigenous roots, our ancestors usually had no choice but to deny their Indian blood on the Census records. Take this opportunity to tell everyone in the whole United States…we have always been here! Let the government know we choose to represent our honored ancestors and our future descendants by being counted…now! A Word of Caution from the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: "Self-Identification: If you are Native American and identify as Indian whether you are enrolled or not, check NA only on the race question and name your tribe. The Census Bureau does not require documentation of Indian blood. The Race Question: If you identify as a Native American, even if you are of mixed race, we urge that you answer the race question only as Native American. The census form will allow you to check more than one race. However, if you check any other races, there is no guarantee that you will be counted as Native American. Please do not leave this space blank, or the Census Bureau may have to guess your race. If you live in a mixed household, the Native American/Alaska Native spouse should be listed as Person Number 1 - head of household - to qualify as a Native American household. Having a tribal enrollment number does not mean you are automatically counted by the census. Name your tribe: Do not leave the tribe section blank, even if you are not enrolled in the tribe. Naming your tribe will help ensure that you are counted as Native American, and it will also help your tribe and local agencies that serve Native Americans for data and funding purposes. It is important to put your primary tribe first. Write in your tribe even if your tribe is not federally funded. Hispanic origin: If you identify as Indian answer no to the Hispanic origin question, even if you have a Hispanic surname or Hispanic origin. In the past, Native Americans who answered yes to the Hispanic origin question were not counted as Indian, but as Hispanic. If you have a Hispanic surname, or live in a Hispanic neighborhood the Census Bureau shall assume the answer is yes. Fill out the form and return it right away - due date April 1, 2000 If you do not return your form by the due date, a census worker may come door to door to ask you questions, or obtain the information. If you do not wish to be bothered at your home, you should turn in the form on time. If you are not home or do not answer the door, the census worker may ask your neighbors to answer questions about you, including your race. This may result in incorrect data, and you may not be counted as Native American. Do not leave any blanks: Do not leave any blank space, especially race and Hispanic origin. If you leave a blank space, information will be answered for you and you may not be counted as a Native American." ©Cherokees Of California, Inc. P.O. Box 2372 Marysville, California 95901 (530) 633-4038 -- André Cramblit, Operations Director The Northern California Indian Development Council ( http://www.ncidc.org ) NCIDC is a non-profit organization that helps meet the social, educational, and economic development needs of American Indian communities. NCIDC operates a fine art gallery and gift boutique featuring the best of American Indian Artist's and their work, with emphasis placed on the work of the Tribes of N.W. California. (http://www.ncidc.org/gift/gifthome.htm#anchorgift)

    03/13/2000 12:00:49
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name
    2. Dusty Collins
    3. Marian: Some of your info. is a little confusing, not having the actual land patent in front of me to look at. Dancing Rabbit Creek is in Mississippi...it's possible that what you've got there is a land patient awarded to the ancestor by virtue of the Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty of the 1830's. It should show exactly where the land in Okla. was located, and I'm presuming that it was in Ashley Co. As someone said in a previous post, your ancestor may have had two names, as so many of ours did - his Chatah name (Ona HA Tubbe) and an anglo one (Tucker) Tubbe was an honor name for war and meant "he killed" or "killer" Some lines of the Tubbe/Tubby family continued with the name and some abandoned its usage. There should be someone on the list who can translate it for you. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name >I have a land patent with a name of a ggggrandfather, Robert Tucker, Ona Ha >Tubbe, and it also gives the Choctaw, Dancing Rabbit Crk., Ashley Co., Ok. >Can I believe this was given in 1858 to Robert Tucker, Indian, member of >Choctaw? Do they have books with Choctaw names translated to English? How >can I prove this is my Tucker? We were always that our Tucker were Choctaw. >Marian in Texas > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >

    03/13/2000 10:33:46
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all
    2. Dusty Collins
    3. Jean: Depends on why you are searching for the information. If your ancestor never made it on the rolls, it just means that - they were indians who never made it to the rolls. I'm told that only about 30% of them did make it. Under those circumstances, I would search the censuses and any other usual source as though there were no NA blood involved. If your goal is to pursue your own enrollment, that is not possible unless you can prove a blood tie to someone listed on the Dawes Rolls for the Five Civilized Tribes. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Bowjean@aol.com <Bowjean@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all >Where do we go to look if ancestor died before Dawes and children were never >listed? >Stuck, >Jean Bowman > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >

    03/13/2000 10:25:52
    1. [CHOCTAW] Re: MISSISSIPPI CHOCTAW REJECTIONS
    2. Hi: Does anyone know if the Mississippi Choctaw Rejection numbers would be the same as the application numbers? I e-mailed NARA in Ft. Worth to get a copy of my GG grandma's MCR, having the number, and they responded that they only go by the application number. ARRGH! Okay, if the rejection number is different than the application number, how would one go about getting the application number? I've been trying to get a copy of these papers for months now so any suggestions will be very happily received. Thank you! Sandi :)

    03/13/2000 06:39:09
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all
    2. Hi Sherry, Doesn't it have to be a direct blood tie that you prove? If my Aunt is on there that doesn't count for my enrollment,isn't that correct? Jenny

    03/13/2000 06:31:27
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] John and Jenny
    2. Thank you all for your help on the Cherokee Roll Jenny

    03/13/2000 06:25:55
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all
    2. Sherry: I figured it fruitless to try for enrollment. The main thing I am interested in is finding information about James Knox Bowman and Lucy Jane Tanner Smallwood. That little tidbit of census info suggesting she was Choctaw led us made us hope to find some info here. James was said to have started a school in Carter Co. area for his and other area children and hired a teacher. That would have been probably in the early 1890s. Would that mean there were no other schools in the area or mixed blood children were not welcome in the established ones? Jean

    03/13/2000 05:54:37
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] John and Jenny
    2. >>Records of Cherokee Indian Agency in Tennessee 1801-1835 M208 Roll 14<< I have also seen this in book form. Seems I remember the book had an index. One of the ladies at the FHC had it and brought it in for me to look at. Ethel

    03/13/2000 05:15:33
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor-John
    2. Hi Lisa I would also like the name of the film. Jenny

    03/13/2000 01:38:02
    1. [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor
    2. From: jtinkm@exis.net (john tinkham) To: rlang90547@aol.com I just found your web page on Choctaws. I am looking for information on my wife's grandmother's grandmother, who was a Choctaw. Her daughter was Frances Catherine Rowell, born Feb. 13, 1830 in Tennessee, probably in Lincoln County because there were some Rowells there and that county is next to the county of Frances's husband, Edward Rich of Franklin County. All I know of the father of Frances was that his name must have been Rowell too. The Choctaws lived in Mississippi then, and Mississippi and Tennessee were connected by the Natchez Trace, with much travel over that trail. So maybe Mr. Rowell was a missionary or trader who traveled between TN and MS, or maybe the Choctaw who married him was raised in a missionary school in TN. The Rich family was Methodist and there were missionaries in that family. So I have tried to investigate Methodist missionary schools but without success. I engaged a genealogist in Lincoln County but she couldn't help me much. I have also learned a lot about the Choctaw Indians in my research. Any suggestions on other ways to find out about this Choctaw woman who married a Mr. Rowell from TN before 1830? Dear John: I can't believe you ancestry parallels mine so exactly: tennessee, mississippi, missionaries,choctaw woman, etc. You have really done your homework. I have not figured out how to trace Indian ancestors before they intermarried with whites or were enrolled on government rolls. Once they got involved with the U.S. there are tons of records, but before, if they couldn't read or write English they are nearly impossible to trace. I wish I had answer but I don't. If you know that they settled in Indian Territory, Okla., I might be able to help you. but as far as the pre-removal mississippi days, it is an enigma. Have you read "Choctaws and Missionaries in Mississippi" by Clara Sue Kidwell? There are a lot of footnotes from which you might be able to get records. If you find an answer please share it with me. I will forward this to another list and to one who knows quite a bit about Missionaries in Mississippi/Louisiana who might be able to help you. Does anyone have an answer? Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com Impson Mailing List administrator Impson Surname Board administrator Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm </A> Check out the Impson Surname Board at http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others.

    03/12/2000 11:30:32
    1. [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name
    2. james watson
    3. I have a land patent with a name of a ggggrandfather, Robert Tucker, Ona Ha Tubbe, and it also gives the Choctaw, Dancing Rabbit Crk., Ashley Co., Ok. Can I believe this was given in 1858 to Robert Tucker, Indian, member of Choctaw? Do they have books with Choctaw names translated to English? How can I prove this is my Tucker? We were always that our Tucker were Choctaw. Marian in Texas

    03/12/2000 10:01:15
    1. [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all
    2. Jacque Hopkins Wolski
    3. This is what I had in mind. Please let me know if it is possible. Scenario: Someone just starting out in genealogy heard a family story that their great-grandmother was an Indian. Where to go from there? What would be the first place to look? Where would they write for information? Where would they get the birth certificate? Where would they get the death certificate? Which roll would they look on? Now they have the roll # and/or card #, what do they do with it? What is the Tribal Office address and phone #? Where would they get the application for enrollment? What do they need on the application? What documentation do they need to back it up? etc., etc. Sherry, do you think you could write/type something up with URL links if known for a page that Markie could add to the Choctaw web site? Thanks Jacque Sherry wrote: > oh - sorry, I misunderstood. I think we're on the right track...it depends on why someone is wanting their ancestors' enrollment information. If they're wanting to apply for enrollment themselves, they will need an application which only the Tribal Enrollment office has plus the documentation to back it up. If they're just wanting the numbers and all for confirmation that their ancestor was indian, then yes, I can tell them what the next step is. I think the main hump to get over is folks knowing WHERE to look. That was my main problem. There are just so many records in the archives. I can help point people in the right direction as I have several excellent bibliographies of research material both in and out of the Natl Archives. I have the catalog of EVERY scrap of information that the Natl. Archives has on the American Indian - so having the correct Group and subgroup and roll no. for microfilm, helps when they go to get copies made. Sure, I'd be glad to to that or anything else I can to help folks find who they're looking for. Just let me know what you need. > > Mitakuye Oyasin...we are all one family. > > sherry > dustyc@microgear.net > > >Sorry, Sherry, > > > >I didn't mean for it to sound like you didn't know how to request information from the Tribal offices. I just meant I am in the same boat YOU WERE when you first started and I would love to see steps someone would take if they were new and trying to figure out what or how to go about looking for that Choctaw ancestor someone in their family told them about. Ya know what I mean? Would you want to take up that task and then perhaps Markie could post it to the web page? > > > >Jacque What Sherry has to look up from. > >> >> Here's what I've got: > >> >> > >> >> Indes to Final Dawes Rolls, Five Civilized Tribes (Choctaw, Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Chickasaw. > >> >> > >> >> Index to applications for Final Dawes Rolls, 1898-1914. > >> >> > >> >> Applications for Final Dawes Rolls rejected. > >> >> > >> >> The following rolls are for EASTERN CHEROKEE only: 1817 Reservation Roll, 1817-1835 Emigration Roll, 1835 Henderson Roll, 1848 Mullay Roll, 1851 Siler Roll, 1852 Chapman Roll, 1869 Swetland Roll, 1883 Hester Roll, 1908 Churchill Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller East Roll, 1924 Baker Roll. > >> >> > >> >> These are for WESTERN CHEROKEE (Oklahoma): 1851 Old Settler Roll, 1852 Drennen Roll, 1898-1914 Dawes Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller West Roll. > >> >> > >> >> If anyone wants to know why each one of these rolls was done and more info about it, contact me privately. Iam happy to offer these resources to anyone who need a lookup provided you follow my request guidelines. > >> >> > >> >> sherry

    03/12/2000 08:58:08
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] "Durden" name
    2. Doug Barkley
    3. Got Darden does that help? Doug Tim McCratic wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone heard of the name "Durden" as either an given, middle or surname? > I have a William Durden Thompson and no idea as to where the "Durden" name > came from. Any ideas? > > Respectfully, > > Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma

    03/12/2000 08:07:38
    1. [CHOCTAW] John and Jenny
    2. Tim McCratic
    3. I just called the genealogy department at my local library. The title of the film I previously mentioned is: Records of Cherokee Indian Agency in Tennessee 1801-1835 M208 Roll 14. The lady who works in the department didn't know if it was indexed, as they do not have it, if it is. Apparently I was misinformed yesterday by the weekend staff. They do not loan out film to other libraries. However, Emma (genealogy librarian) suggested: A local Family History center could order a copy The National Archives has a loan service you could join (out of Maryland?) Heritage Quest out of Bountiful (sp?) Utah- films avail cheaper than Nat'l. Archives Hope that this helps you. Respectfully, Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic

    03/12/2000 07:54:57
    1. RE: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor-Jenny
    2. tim mccratic
    3. Okay. I will call them now. Respectfully, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Wrenest25@aol.com [mailto:Wrenest25@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 8:38 AM To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor-John Hi Lisa I would also like the name of the film. Jenny ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Looking for your Native American Ancestors in Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/

    03/12/2000 07:13:12
    1. RE: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor-John
    2. tim mccratic
    3. John, While at the Cherokee County public Library, I stumbled across a copy of a roll of film from the National Archives, which showed letters specifying payment to various NA's for services rendered to the US., during several months in the late 1700's. The payments, which began in 1800, were a one time deal (as far as I could see). Each letter specified to whom the payment was made, how much and what for. What caught my eye, was that even though the roll of film mentioned it was for payments to the Cherokee in TN, "Choctaw" was listed on some of the letters at the beginning of the reel. Please understand I just quickly looked at it. It was near closing time, but I still wanted to eyeball the film to see what it was about. I started to write down the name of the film, but of course, didn't. You mentioned that you were having a hard time tracking down the father of your wife's grandmother's grandmother? Perhaps by looking at this film, you could track them down. Apparently, only the head of household was mentioned. I don't know how many Rowell's were listed, if any (if that is the name you are looking for). If you are interested, I can call the library and get the name of the film I mentioned. I will also ask if it is known to be indexed. Our library is part of the library system which loans film out to reciprocating libraries country wide. It should only cost you the price of postage and perhaps a small fee (?) to have it mailed to your library on loan. I will call today and then e-mail you directly (should you want the info) with what I find out. I know that it is a shot in the dark, but it just might give you more info to follow up on. Will await your reply before I post to you. Respectfully, Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic -----Original Message----- From: Rlang90547@aol.com [mailto:Rlang90547@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 6:31 AM To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor From: jtinkm@exis.net (john tinkham) To: rlang90547@aol.com I just found your web page on Choctaws. I am looking for information on my wife's grandmother's grandmother, who was a Choctaw. Her daughter was Frances Catherine Rowell, born Feb. 13, 1830 in Tennessee, probably in Lincoln County because there were some Rowells there and that county is next to the county of Frances's husband, Edward Rich of Franklin County. All I know of the father of Frances was that his name must have been Rowell too. The Choctaws lived in Mississippi then, and Mississippi and Tennessee were connected by the Natchez Trace, with much travel over that trail. So maybe Mr. Rowell was a missionary or trader who traveled between TN and MS, or maybe the Choctaw who married him was raised in a missionary school in TN. The Rich family was Methodist and there were missionaries in that family. So I have tried to investigate Methodist missionary schools but without success. I engaged a genealogist in Lincoln County but she couldn't help me much. I have also learned a lot about the Choctaw Indians in my research. Any suggestions on other ways to find out about this Choctaw woman who married a Mr. Rowell from TN before 1830? Dear John: I can't believe you ancestry parallels mine so exactly: tennessee, mississippi, missionaries,choctaw woman, etc. You have really done your homework. I have not figured out how to trace Indian ancestors before they intermarried with whites or were enrolled on government rolls. Once they got involved with the U.S. there are tons of records, but before, if they couldn't read or write English they are nearly impossible to trace. I wish I had answer but I don't. If you know that they settled in Indian Territory, Okla., I might be able to help you. but as far as the pre-removal mississippi days, it is an enigma. Have you read "Choctaws and Missionaries in Mississippi" by Clara Sue Kidwell? There are a lot of footnotes from which you might be able to get records. If you find an answer please share it with me. I will forward this to another list and to one who knows quite a bit about Missionaries in Mississippi/Louisiana who might be able to help you. Does anyone have an answer? Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com Impson Mailing List administrator Impson Surname Board administrator Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm </A> Check out the Impson Surname Board at http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others. ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

    03/12/2000 06:27:23
    1. Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all
    2. Where do we go to look if ancestor died before Dawes and children were never listed? Stuck, Jean Bowman

    03/12/2000 04:15:14
    1. RE: [CHOCTAW] "Durden" name
    2. tim mccratic
    3. It doesn't hurt:-) Thanks, Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic -----Original Message----- From: Doug Barkley [mailto:genreser@intcon.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:08 PM To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] "Durden" name Got Darden does that help? Doug Tim McCratic wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone heard of the name "Durden" as either an given, middle or surname? > I have a William Durden Thompson and no idea as to where the "Durden" name > came from. Any ideas? > > Respectfully, > > Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm

    03/12/2000 10:40:58