Tobucksy is current day Pittsburg Co., OK The boundaries are different but is basically the same area. Kelli ----- Original Message ----- From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Where is Tobucsky? State?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Oklafalaya@aol.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > > > > On the 1855 census there is one Nowatubbe family listed in Tobucksy. > > Nowatubbe, Hotima, Falsam, Milsi, Lais > > Sandra > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Thanks so much for responding. I don't know if the family was from Arkansas or Mississippi. I haven't gone that far back. I just know my grandmother settled in Oklahoma but as I said before her parents were listed as dead but from Tobucksy Co. (not sure if that was in Oklahoma Ind Terr or not). According to my father his grandmother or gg grandmother walked the trail of tears..... Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 04:55 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Where were your family? Mississippi or Arkansas????? Marian in Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert E. Lynch <rlynch@sprintmail.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > > > > Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe > > family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife was > > Se-win. > > Jackie > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >

Hi Sandra, Do you have a copy you could send me of that census page? Of know where I could get a copy. I live in No. Calif. It sounds like that might be the family. The spelling is different but the pronounciation is the same. Thanks so much for looking it up for me. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oklafalaya@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 08:22 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > On the 1855 census there is one Nowatubbe family listed in Tobucksy. > Nowatubbe, Hotima, Falsam, Milsi, Lais > Sandra > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

Where were your family? Mississippi or Arkansas????? Marian in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert E. Lynch <rlynch@sprintmail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe > family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife was > Se-win. > Jackie > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! > >

Where is Tobucsky? State?? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oklafalaya@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > On the 1855 census there is one Nowatubbe family listed in Tobucksy. > Nowatubbe, Hotima, Falsam, Milsi, Lais > Sandra > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm > >

Hi, I live in Colorado, I'm pretty sure I could find some info for you. Let me know what area you would be interested. in. We have lots of friends in different areas. We have lived here for 11 yrs. We moved from Norman, OKC AND Tulsa. We have even thought about moving back just so we could be with our people. You don't find too many Choctaw and Cherokees here. We want our children to know there ancestors and speak our language. Anyway, let me know how we can help you and your family. Colorado is a great place but our hearts belong in Oklahoma (Indian Territory). with our families. Blessings to you, The Tindle's (Wolf Clan)

Is it possible to find a list of roll numbers for modern ancestors on the intenet? I thought that's what I was searching at the Census Bureau's NARA site, but someone informed me this was the original Dawes list. If not on line, where do you look "on foot"?

You are right! But if it is an Aunt by blood one of her parents would have to have given the Indian blood to her. So what you do is go back to your Dad or Mom which ever is the Indian by blood. (They Might be both Indian) If it is only one parent you must back up and bring that parent up to being enrolled. You will then bump up to that parent. We got my Dad enrolled even tho his was dead or I could not hold my CDIB Card. Now, since the enrollment of the Dawes rolls no new numbers have been issued. So, go to you Aunt and get her info. Apply it to getting a birth and /or death certificate. After you have got your parent enrolled all you have to do is register youself. And, then your kids. If it is both parents repeat the above proceedure again only with the other parent. Remember you do not have to have both parents registered. But, you have to present a continuous line from the Dawes enrollee to the present day decendant. And yes that is what the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma will tell you. So take your Aunts number and apply it to the grandparent that is in your direct line. Never say my Aunt said? That is a BIG NO-NO!!! Even tho you have the same numbers. The Tribe will help you if you ask about your grandparent and give both numbers to them. They will in return answer your question and send you the application forms that you will need. For any more questions, us2scotts.@earthlink.net Been there done that Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wrenest25@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all > Hi Sherry > I don't think I made it clear what I was asking my understanding is that it > must be one of my grandparents,that even if a blood aunt is on the roll I > will not be accepted only her Grandchildren,only her direct line. Have I > misunderstood or am I correct > > Thanks > Jenny > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ > >

Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife was Se-win. Jackie

Jacque: Will get to this as soon as I can...really feeling rotten today & dr.'s trying to convince me to go to hospital. (not my idea of a good time) Later... sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:01 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all >This is what I had in mind. Please let me know if it is possible. > >Scenario: >Someone just starting out in genealogy heard a family story that their >great-grandmother was an Indian. Where to go from there? > >What would be the first place to look? >Where would they write for information? >Where would they get the birth certificate? >Where would they get the death certificate? >Which roll would they look on? >Now they have the roll # and/or card #, what do they do with it? >What is the Tribal Office address and phone #? >Where would they get the application for enrollment? >What do they need on the application? >What documentation do they need to back it up? > >etc., etc. > >Sherry, do you think you could write/type something up with URL links if >known for a page that Markie could add to the Choctaw web site? > >Thanks >Jacque > >Sherry wrote: >> oh - sorry, I misunderstood. I think we're on the right track...it >depends on why someone is wanting their ancestors' enrollment information. >If they're wanting to apply for enrollment themselves, they will need an >application which only the Tribal Enrollment office has plus the >documentation to back it up. If they're just wanting the numbers and all >for confirmation that their ancestor was indian, then yes, I can tell them >what the next step is. I think the main hump to get over is folks knowing >WHERE to look. That was my main problem. There are just so many records in >the archives. I can help point people in the right direction as I have >several excellent bibliographies of research material both in and out of the >Natl Archives. I have the catalog of EVERY scrap of information that the >Natl. Archives has on the American Indian - so having the correct Group and >subgroup and roll no. for microfilm, helps when they go to get copies made. >Sure, I'd be glad to to that or anything else I can to help folks find who >they're looking for. Just let me know what you need. >> >> Mitakuye Oyasin...we are all one family. >> >> sherry >> dustyc@microgear.net >> >> >Sorry, Sherry, >> > >> >I didn't mean for it to sound like you didn't know how to request >information from the Tribal offices. I just meant I am in the same boat YOU >WERE when you first started and I would love to see steps someone would >take if they were new and trying to figure out what or how to go about >looking for that Choctaw ancestor someone in their family told them about. >Ya know what I mean? Would you want to take up that task and then perhaps >Markie could post it to the web page? >> > >> >Jacque > >What Sherry has to look up from. >> >> >> Here's what I've got: >> >> >> >> >> >> Indes to Final Dawes Rolls, Five Civilized Tribes (Choctaw, >Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Chickasaw. >> >> >> >> >> >> Index to applications for Final Dawes Rolls, 1898-1914. >> >> >> >> >> >> Applications for Final Dawes Rolls rejected. >> >> >> >> >> >> The following rolls are for EASTERN CHEROKEE only: 1817 Reservation >Roll, 1817-1835 Emigration Roll, 1835 Henderson Roll, 1848 Mullay Roll, 1851 >Siler Roll, 1852 Chapman Roll, 1869 Swetland Roll, 1883 Hester Roll, 1908 >Churchill Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller East Roll, 1924 Baker Roll. >> >> >> >> >> >> These are for WESTERN CHEROKEE (Oklahoma): 1851 Old Settler Roll, >1852 Drennen Roll, 1898-1914 Dawes Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller West Roll. >> >> >> >> >> >> If anyone wants to know why each one of these rolls was done and >more info about it, contact me privately. Iam happy to offer these >resources to anyone who need a lookup provided you follow my request >guidelines. >> >> >> >> >> >> sherry > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >

Does anyone have any information on James CUMMINS, I assume from Illinois, since his son, Henry Allen is listed as being born there. Notes from my nephew's research of the Bean family states that Henry was Choctaw. Were there Choctaws that far North? This is probably just the story of one family's travels. "14. Henry Allen Cummins, born July 1856 in Illinois; died Abt. 1911 in Hoyt, Haskell County. Oklahoma. He was the son of 28. JAMES CUMMINS and 29. Catherine Booth." I'm new to genealogy, and the mailing lists. I am in the process of searching the Choctaw Rolls at the Census Bureau's National Archives, but it's a slow process; their server is a little moody at times.

Well, if your blood aunt is on the roll, then she shares the same blood as your parent. I'm not sure, but would certainly investigate it further. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Wrenest25@aol.com <Wrenest25@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all >Hi Sherry >I don't think I made it clear what I was asking my understanding is that it >must be one of my grandparents,that even if a blood aunt is on the roll I >will not be accepted only her Grandchildren,only her direct line. Have I >misunderstood or am I correct > >Thanks >Jenny > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >

Yes, direct blood tie. Is it an aunt by blood or an aunt by marriage? By blood could make you eligible (if there is no blood quantum requirement). Aunt by marriage would not. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Wrenest25@aol.com <Wrenest25@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all >Hi Sherry, >Doesn't it have to be a direct blood tie that you prove? If my Aunt is on >there that doesn't count for my enrollment,isn't that correct? > >Jenny > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hi I realize how silly that sounds but that is what I have been told maybe someone that has been through the process could help us out Jenny In a message dated 3/14/00 12:13:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, dustyc@microgear.net writes: << es the same blood as your parent. I'm not sure, but would certainly investigate it further. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Wrenest25@aol.com <Wrenest25@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all >Hi Sherry >I don't think I made it clear what I was asking my understanding is that it >must be one of my grandparents,that even if a blood aunt is on the roll I >will not be accepted only her Grandchildren,only her direct line. Have I >misunderstood or am I correct > >Thanks >Jenny > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >>

Hi Sherry I don't think I made it clear what I was asking my understanding is that it must be one of my grandparents,that even if a blood aunt is on the roll I will not be accepted only her Grandchildren,only her direct line. Have I misunderstood or am I correct Thanks Jenny

On the 1855 census there is one Nowatubbe family listed in Tobucksy. Nowatubbe, Hotima, Falsam, Milsi, Lais Sandra

Is there a Mary Jane McCormick listed? Thanks for your help Linda

Oops, should have read the rest of my email before responding/requesting. Thanks Lisa for the information. Jacque in SE ID ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim McCratic <timothy.mccratic@mciworld.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] John and Jenny > > I just called the genealogy department at my local library. The title of the > film I previously mentioned is: Records of Cherokee Indian Agency in > Tennessee 1801-1835 M208 Roll 14. The lady who works in the department > didn't know if it was indexed, as they do not have it, if it is. > > Apparently I was misinformed yesterday by the weekend staff. They do not > loan out film to other libraries. However, Emma (genealogy librarian) > suggested: > > A local Family History center could order a copy > > The National Archives has a loan service you could join (out of Maryland?) > > Heritage Quest out of Bountiful (sp?) Utah- films avail cheaper than Nat'l. > Archives > > Hope that this helps you. > > Respectfully, > > Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Lisa Ann, I would also like to know the name of this film. If you can find it out with a number, I would appreciate it if you would post your findings to the list. There may be others interested in the answer as well. Thanks Jacque in SE ID listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: tim mccratic <timothy.mccratic@mciworld.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 5:27 PM Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor-John > John, > > While at the Cherokee County public Library, I stumbled across a copy of a > roll of film from the National Archives, which showed letters specifying > payment to various NA's for services rendered to the US., during several > months in the late 1700's. The payments, which began in 1800, were a one > time deal (as far as I could see). Each letter specified to whom the payment > was made, how much and what for. What caught my eye, was that even though > the roll of film mentioned it was for payments to the Cherokee in TN, > "Choctaw" was listed on some of the letters at the beginning of the reel. > > Please understand I just quickly looked at it. It was near closing time, but > I still wanted to eyeball the film to see what it was about. I started to > write down the name of the film, but of course, didn't. > > You mentioned that you were having a hard time tracking down the father of > your wife's grandmother's grandmother? Perhaps by looking at this film, you > could track them down. Apparently, only the head of household was mentioned. > I don't know how many Rowell's were listed, if any (if that is the name you > are looking for). > > If you are interested, I can call the library and get the name of the film I > mentioned. I will also ask if it is known to be indexed. > > Our library is part of the library system which loans film out to > reciprocating libraries country wide. It should only cost you the price of > postage and perhaps a small fee (?) to have it mailed to your library on > loan. > > I will call today and then e-mail you directly (should you want the info) > with what I find out. I know that it is a shot in the dark, but it just > might give you more info to follow up on. Will await your reply before I > post to you. > > Respectfully, > > Lisa Anne (Thompson) McCratic > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rlang90547@aol.com [mailto:Rlang90547@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 6:31 AM > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Ancestor > > > From: jtinkm@exis.net (john tinkham) > To: rlang90547@aol.com > > I just found your web page on Choctaws. > > I am looking for information on my wife's grandmother's grandmother, who > was a Choctaw. Her daughter was Frances Catherine Rowell, born Feb. 13, > 1830 in Tennessee, probably in Lincoln County because there were some > Rowells there and that county is next to the county of Frances's husband, > Edward Rich of Franklin County. All I know of the father of Frances was > that his name must have been Rowell too. The Choctaws lived in Mississippi > then, and Mississippi and Tennessee were connected by the Natchez Trace, > with much travel over that trail. So maybe Mr. Rowell was a missionary or > trader who traveled between TN and MS, or maybe the Choctaw who married him > was raised in a missionary school in TN. The Rich family was Methodist and > there were missionaries in that family. So I have tried to investigate > Methodist missionary schools but without success. I engaged a genealogist > in Lincoln County but she couldn't help me much. I have also learned a lot > about the Choctaw Indians in my research. > > Any suggestions on other ways to find out about this Choctaw woman who > married a Mr. Rowell from TN before 1830? > > > Dear John: > I can't believe you ancestry parallels mine so exactly: tennessee, > mississippi, missionaries,choctaw woman, etc. > You have really done your homework. I have not figured out how to trace > Indian ancestors before they intermarried with whites or were enrolled on > government rolls. Once they got involved with the U.S. there are tons of > records, but before, if they couldn't read or write English they are nearly > impossible to trace. > I wish I had answer but I don't. If you know that they settled in Indian > Territory, Okla., I might be able to help you. but as far as the pre-removal > mississippi days, it is an enigma. > Have you read "Choctaws and Missionaries in Mississippi" by Clara Sue > Kidwell? There are a lot of footnotes from which you might be able to get > records. If you find an answer please share it with me. > I will forward this to another list and to one who knows quite a bit about > Missionaries in Mississippi/Louisiana who might be able to help you. > Does anyone have an answer? > > Rusty Lang, rlang90547@aol.com > Impson Mailing List administrator > Impson Surname Board administrator > Visit my website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/index.htm > <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~impson/">Click here: index.htm > </A> > Check out the Impson Surname Board at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/i/m/IMPSON/ > Subscribe to the Impson Mailing List at: IMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > Researching: ADAMS, ANDERSON, BILLY, BOHANON, BURRIS, > COLBERT, CUZALINA, DANENHOUR, ELLIS, FENNELL, FLETCHER, FOLSOM, FREENY, > GARDNER, GULLY, HAMPTON, HARKINS, HEWITT, HULL, JONES, MACKEY, MURPHEY, > ROBINSON, SISCO, TOAZ, and others. > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. > RootsWeb Gen. 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