----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila M. Hancock <dcbuild@cybertrails.com> To: <choctaw-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Moran Line > Hi, My Great Grandmother, Sarah Catherine Moran was born in 6/1875. I have been told that she was either Choctaw or Chickasaw from Oklahoma and is registered with the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Oklahoma. I am trying to find more info on her and her family. If you can be of help, please let me know. She married John Wesley Teague, Jr. on August 31, 1889. I also have a record of An Alice Moran marrying a Jasper Teague in 1892 could be sister??? > Thank You, Sheila >
What dates for these Tuckers? Marian in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Forwarding on FORD > Forwarding for non-subscriber. If you can help her, please email her > directly. > > Thanks > Jacque > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ford, Melvinia <MCFord@occ.cc.mi.us> > To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:55 AM > > > > I am inquiring to find out my family history. > > > > I am 1/4 Choctaw Indian, my father's name was Charles Ford, and his > > mother's name was Melvinia Tucker. I believe that they were from > Oklahoma. > > I have no history, but am anxious to know where can I go to find > something, > > anything out. > > > > Can you help me? > > Melvinia C. Ford, Enrollment Services RO/SF > > Phone: (248) 544-5569 > > Fax: (248) 544-5536 > > E-mail: mcford@occ.cc.mi.us > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >
----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Alaniz <coda@trail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: looking for Carrie Angeline Vance > Hi , I am new to the web, I hope I am doing this right. I am looking for > Carrie Angeline Vance. Carrie Angeline Vance was born August 5,1872 in > Calhoun County,MS. She married Frank Bostic Wilson November20,1892 in > Websster County,MS. She died December 18,1945 in Webster county,MS. She > is my great grandmother. I was told that she was choctaw. She was full > blooded I was told. Would like to get more information on her and if > there are any family from her side. I am doing the family tree. Please > contact me at coda@trail.com > > Sheila >
Forwarding for a non-subscriber. If you can help, please email Dona directly. Thanks Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: <Texgal1958@aol.com> To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: (no subject) > Hello, My name is Dona Rains, my Grandfather, Arthur Rains was born in > Oklahoma and has a role number, I would like to find out how I can obtain > this number and learn more about my Indian heritage, If you can help, please > contact me. Texgal1958@AOl.Com thanks you very much. Dona. >
Forwarding for non-subscriber. If you can help her, please email her directly. Thanks Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: Ford, Melvinia <MCFord@occ.cc.mi.us> To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:55 AM > I am inquiring to find out my family history. > > I am 1/4 Choctaw Indian, my father's name was Charles Ford, and his > mother's name was Melvinia Tucker. I believe that they were from Oklahoma. > I have no history, but am anxious to know where can I go to find something, > anything out. > > Can you help me? > Melvinia C. Ford, Enrollment Services RO/SF > Phone: (248) 544-5569 > Fax: (248) 544-5536 > E-mail: mcford@occ.cc.mi.us >
ARushing, Ok here is what I have and who I am trying to make links to.. William D. IRWIN B: June 07, 1838 AL D: Jan 09, 1914 Grant Parish LA Buried at Colfax Cemetary, Grant Parish LA. M: Mary Emily Hatcher abt. 1858 Rapides Parish, LA William D. IRWIN is said to be full blooded choctaw indian.. I find records of William in MS Henry Leroy IRWIN B: Jan 1869 AL D: July 1949 Grant Parish, Colfax LA Buried at Oak Grove Cemetary, LA M: Emma SPENCER Dec 02, 1897 in Grant Parish, LA Henry Leroy Irwin is said to be full blooded Choctaw indian. Here is a list of my surnames, bolded ones are the ones I am currently working on.. IRWIN, FOXWORTH, PREUETT, HATCHER, KING, WOOD, MASKILL, ANTIEAU, YOUNGBLOOD, MILLER, MAXWELL, BENEDETTO, COLLINS, COZY, CORY, DUEHRING, SCARDINO, DAVIS IF any of those ring a bell.. Let me know.. If it dont'.. I still have more info I can send Jennifer
Hi everyone, Once again I am looking for anyone out there who might have a choctaw relative with the surname of IRWIN. I know someone out there has to have a clue LOL I can't be the only one searching :) I am even looking for anyone who had relatives who married an IRWIN.. :) Just something.. I do not know when my ancestors took on the IRWIN surname or what there original surname might have been... ect ect.. Ok enough on my problem.. If anyone can help.. Please let me know.. Lost in the past, Jennifer S. Irwin
Dancing Creek: Where do we find the information about the families that were assigned land? Does anyone have this information on hand and can look it up for us? Carmen Forbes At 06:10 PM 3/15/00 -0600, you wrote: >Dusty, Where in Mississippi is Dancing Rabbit Creek? Marian in Texas >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> >To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:33 AM >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name > > >> Marian: >> >> Some of your info. is a little confusing, not having the actual land >patent >> in front of me to look at. Dancing Rabbit Creek is in Mississippi...it's >> possible that what you've got there is a land patient awarded to the >> ancestor by virtue of the Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty of the 1830's. It >> should show exactly where the land in Okla. was located, and I'm presuming >> that it was in Ashley Co. As someone said in a previous post, your >ancestor >> may have had two names, as so many of ours did - his Chatah name (Ona HA >> Tubbe) and an anglo one (Tucker) Tubbe was an honor name for war and >meant >> "he killed" or "killer" Some lines of the Tubbe/Tubby family continued >> with the name and some abandoned its usage. There should be someone on >the >> list who can translate it for you. >> >> dustyc@microgear.net >> -----Original Message----- >> From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> >> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:55 PM >> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name >> >> >> >I have a land patent with a name of a ggggrandfather, Robert Tucker, Ona >Ha >> >Tubbe, and it also gives the Choctaw, Dancing Rabbit Crk., Ashley Co., >Ok. >> >Can I believe this was given in 1858 to Robert Tucker, Indian, member of >> >Choctaw? Do they have books with Choctaw names translated to English? >How >> >can I prove this is my Tucker? We were always that our Tucker were >> Choctaw. >> >Marian in Texas >> > >> > >> >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >> >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >> >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >> > >> >> >> ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! > >
My Ona ha Tubbe, Robert Tucker, was given land in Ashley Co., Arkansas, issued 1858 and in 1900 his son, William M Tucker moved to Ok. In this patent by the U.S.A. it gives his name and says Robert Tucker assignee of Ona ha Tubbe, Choctaw Certificate 618. M ----- Original Message ----- From: LORI WINSHIP <winshil@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Hi Marian, > > The Nowatubbe family was listed on the 1855 census living in Tobuscky Co. > which would be Pittsburg Co. Ok. now. I know that Nowatubbe's daughter (my > grandmother) Seyon Walker-Winship died there and was buried in Latimer Co. > Ok. 1917. I had seen an earlier e-mail a couple of week's ago stating > that any name that ends in tuh-bee or tubby is a war name. It means someone > who killed an enemy in battle. So I'm not sure if there is a relation > between Nowatubbe and Mea-hin-tubbe but you never know. :) > > Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 04:13 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > > > > Where were your family in 1855? Marian in Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert E. Lynch <rlynch@sprintmail.com> > > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > > > > > > > Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe > > > family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife > was > > > Se-win. > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > > Rootsweb.com today! > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >
Where did you find the `1903 census? Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: LORI WINSHIP <winshil@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Hello, > > I wondered if anyone out there has any information on my grandmother's parents? My Grandmother is named Seyon (Walker)Winship she died in 1917. I requested information from the Fort Worth Archives and received her packet of enrollment papers. I would like to find out about her parents who were full blood Choctaw's. (Father) Noahubbee and (Mother) Ka-ne-o-tema of Tobucksy Co. Ok. They were listed as dead on Seyon's census card of 1903. Would anyone have a census listing them? and what would their names mean in Choctaw? Thanks for your help. Lori > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma > >
Hi Marian, The Nowatubbe family was listed on the 1855 census living in Tobuscky Co. which would be Pittsburg Co. Ok. now. I know that Nowatubbe's daughter (my grandmother) Seyon Walker-Winship died there and was buried in Latimer Co. Ok. 1917. I had seen an earlier e-mail a couple of week's ago stating that any name that ends in tuh-bee or tubby is a war name. It means someone who killed an enemy in battle. So I'm not sure if there is a relation between Nowatubbe and Mea-hin-tubbe but you never know. :) Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 04:13 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Where were your family in 1855? Marian in Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert E. Lynch <rlynch@sprintmail.com> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > > > > Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe > > family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife was > > Se-win. > > Jackie > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma >
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Where were your family in 1855? Marian in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert E. Lynch <rlynch@sprintmail.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Walker/ Noahubbee > Could there be a relationship between Nowatubbe family and Mea-hin-tubbe > family? My husband's great-grandfather was Mea-hin-tubbe and his wife was > Se-win. > Jackie > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! > >
Dusty, Where in Mississippi is Dancing Rabbit Creek? Marian in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name > Marian: > > Some of your info. is a little confusing, not having the actual land patent > in front of me to look at. Dancing Rabbit Creek is in Mississippi...it's > possible that what you've got there is a land patient awarded to the > ancestor by virtue of the Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty of the 1830's. It > should show exactly where the land in Okla. was located, and I'm presuming > that it was in Ashley Co. As someone said in a previous post, your ancestor > may have had two names, as so many of ours did - his Chatah name (Ona HA > Tubbe) and an anglo one (Tucker) Tubbe was an honor name for war and meant > "he killed" or "killer" Some lines of the Tubbe/Tubby family continued > with the name and some abandoned its usage. There should be someone on the > list who can translate it for you. > > dustyc@microgear.net > -----Original Message----- > From: james watson <j.watson2@worldnet.att.net> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:55 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Name > > > >I have a land patent with a name of a ggggrandfather, Robert Tucker, Ona Ha > >Tubbe, and it also gives the Choctaw, Dancing Rabbit Crk., Ashley Co., Ok. > >Can I believe this was given in 1858 to Robert Tucker, Indian, member of > >Choctaw? Do they have books with Choctaw names translated to English? How > >can I prove this is my Tucker? We were always that our Tucker were > Choctaw. > >Marian in Texas > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma >
My name is André Cramblit and I am a member of the Karuk Tribe. My family comes from the Village of Katimeen on the Klamath River. I am participating in Census 2000 for 2 main reasons. 1) As the current President of the California Indian Education Association I know that an accurate count is needed to ensure proper funding for education programs such as Title IX, Johnson OMalley, Higher Education Scholarships, Basic Adult Education and Head Start. The effects of Census 2000 will be felt in for the next 10 years. A complete count of all Citizens will mean additional seats in Congress and billions in federal funding for health and social services, in addition to added financial assistance for our schools and roads. 2) Naming your Tribe on the Census is also an opportunity to reclaim our heritage. On my fathers side my Great Grandmother was full-blooded Creek from Alabama. Members of the Ku Klux Klan conducted the Census of 1880 in Alabama. If you responded with anything other than white then they would visit you later on. My Grandmother replied white on that Census and it was not until she was dying that she told her family of their heritage. If you have Native blood you can ensure that your descendants are not further separated from their cultural heritage. You can find more information for American Indians and Alaska Natives call the local census Questionnaire Assistance Center, call NCIDC @ (707) 445-8451, or check resources on the web at www.ncidc.org or http://www.census.gov/ -- André Cramblit, Operations Director The Northern California Indian Development Council ( http://www.ncidc.org ) NCIDC is a non-profit organization that helps meet the social, educational, and economic development needs of American Indian communities. NCIDC operates a fine art gallery and gift boutique featuring the best of American Indian Artist's and their work, with emphasis placed on the work of the Tribes of N.W. California. (http://www.ncidc.org/gift/gifthome.htm#anchorgift)
Sherry, No hurry, take your time, we've all waited this long, LOL. Hope it is nothing serious with you and the Dr. Hope you get well soon. Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all > Jacque: > > Will get to this as soon as I can...really feeling rotten today & dr.'s > trying to convince me to go to hospital. (not my idea of a good time) > Later... > > sherry > dustyc@microgear.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:01 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW] For Sherry and all > > > >This is what I had in mind. Please let me know if it is possible. > > > >Scenario: > >Someone just starting out in genealogy heard a family story that their > >great-grandmother was an Indian. Where to go from there? > > > >What would be the first place to look? > >Where would they write for information? > >Where would they get the birth certificate? > >Where would they get the death certificate? > >Which roll would they look on? > >Now they have the roll # and/or card #, what do they do with it? > >What is the Tribal Office address and phone #? > >Where would they get the application for enrollment? > >What do they need on the application? > >What documentation do they need to back it up? > > > >etc., etc. > > > >Sherry, do you think you could write/type something up with URL links if > >known for a page that Markie could add to the Choctaw web site? > > > >Thanks > >Jacque > > > >Sherry wrote: > >> oh - sorry, I misunderstood. I think we're on the right track...it > >depends on why someone is wanting their ancestors' enrollment information. > >If they're wanting to apply for enrollment themselves, they will need an > >application which only the Tribal Enrollment office has plus the > >documentation to back it up. If they're just wanting the numbers and all > >for confirmation that their ancestor was indian, then yes, I can tell them > >what the next step is. I think the main hump to get over is folks knowing > >WHERE to look. That was my main problem. There are just so many records in > >the archives. I can help point people in the right direction as I have > >several excellent bibliographies of research material both in and out of > the > >Natl Archives. I have the catalog of EVERY scrap of information that the > >Natl. Archives has on the American Indian - so having the correct Group and > >subgroup and roll no. for microfilm, helps when they go to get copies > made. > >Sure, I'd be glad to to that or anything else I can to help folks find who > >they're looking for. Just let me know what you need. > >> > >> Mitakuye Oyasin...we are all one family. > >> > >> sherry > >> dustyc@microgear.net > >> > >> >Sorry, Sherry, > >> > > >> >I didn't mean for it to sound like you didn't know how to request > >information from the Tribal offices. I just meant I am in the same boat > YOU > >WERE when you first started and I would love to see steps someone would > >take if they were new and trying to figure out what or how to go about > >looking for that Choctaw ancestor someone in their family told them about. > >Ya know what I mean? Would you want to take up that task and then perhaps > >Markie could post it to the web page? > >> > > >> >Jacque > > > >What Sherry has to look up from. > >> >> >> Here's what I've got: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Indes to Final Dawes Rolls, Five Civilized Tribes (Choctaw, > >Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Chickasaw. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Index to applications for Final Dawes Rolls, 1898-1914. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Applications for Final Dawes Rolls rejected. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The following rolls are for EASTERN CHEROKEE only: 1817 Reservation > >Roll, 1817-1835 Emigration Roll, 1835 Henderson Roll, 1848 Mullay Roll, > 1851 > >Siler Roll, 1852 Chapman Roll, 1869 Swetland Roll, 1883 Hester Roll, 1908 > >Churchill Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller East Roll, 1924 Baker Roll. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> These are for WESTERN CHEROKEE (Oklahoma): 1851 Old Settler Roll, > >1852 Drennen Roll, 1898-1914 Dawes Roll, 1909 Guion/Miller West Roll. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If anyone wants to know why each one of these rolls was done and > >more info about it, contact me privately. Iam happy to offer these > >resources to anyone who need a lookup provided you follow my request > >guidelines. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> sherry > > > > > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >
Hi List Members I have a friend that is of seminole blood. My question is: Is there a seminole list that would be SEMINOLE-L@rootsweb.com ? Peace, OGable
Hi Yes I think there is such a list, but I just recently read somewhere that,Seminoles are actually Cherokees and Creeks that disagreed with the main Tribe over something and they went to Florida and that they incorporated other Tribes that were in Florida into making up Seminoles. There is also a web page for the Seminole. I don't have the url but if u put it in a search engine I am sure it will come up. I do not remember where I read the stuff about Seminoles being Cherokees and Creek,if that is incorrect information I would appreciate someone letting me and the list know. Jenny
Hi List, Someone asked about Alfred Burney a few days back and that name rung a bell with me, probably from hearing my mother mention him. Anyway, I was at the National Archives today and I looked him up on the Dawes Rolls. It goes like this: Alfred Burney, Roll No. 6013, Census Card 2088, Albion, I.T., age 22, 1/2 blood, 1893, Wade Co., father, David Burney, Wade Co., mother, Elizabeth Burney, Wade Co. note: on 1893 Pay Roll as Alfred Burnie, pg. 9 #81, Wade Co., Second note: husband of Sarah Wright on Choc. card # 2196. Choc. Card # 2196, Sarah Burney (Sarah was divorced from Watson Wright, my great uncle), age 17, 1/4 blood, father, Stephen Woods, dcd., mother, Minnie James,dcd., non-citizen, Sarah married Alfred Burney, their daughter was Clara, 3/4 blood, b. 1/19/1901. I hope this helps. C. J.
Hi Betty, Put your name of the anscestor with all the information that you have on the original enrollie. From that the people who have access to the Dawes Rolls can get you an answer as long as your ancestor is actually enrolled. Supply any and all names that the ancestor could have gone by. Believe me these people change names like we change clothes. Nobody receives a new enrollee number. We must show that we have a straight line to the original enrollee. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald and Betty Bean <mcbean@cwis.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Roll Numbers > Is it possible to find a list of roll numbers for modern ancestors on the > intenet? I thought that's what I was searching at the Census Bureau's NARA > site, but someone informed me this was the original Dawes list. If not on > line, where do you look "on foot"? > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! > >