unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nalora" <vashti@theshop.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Indians and Intruders Books-Nalora > At 07:56 PM 3/18/00 EST, you wrote: > >Is there anything in your books on BROOKS, FITZPATRICK,HALL, HOLMES or > JOHNSON. > > Sandi: > > There are 5 BROOKS listed in Vol 1: F. K., Lotty, Mary, Right Rev. Bishop, > Thomas J. > > The Right Rev. Bishop Brooks oversees a Confirmation at Fort Supply, > Oklahoma April 16, 1893. > > He is apparently the same as the The Right Rev F. K. BROOKS mentioned July > 23 1893 in another confirmation at Fort Supply, Oklahoma. > > Lotty BROOKS is listed as a slave owner in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave > Schedules, Tishomingo county, Chickasaw District, with a total of 8 slaves, > 2 Black, 6 Mulatto, and there is the additional notation that one slave is > named John, and is is over 100 years old. > > Mary BROOKS is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave Schedules, Choctaw > Nation, Red River County, living next door to Thomas J. BROOKS, Mary has 1 > black slave, Thomas has 2, they are both Mulatto. > > There are 4 HALL mentioned in Vol 1: Jos R., Matthew H., Thomas, and Willis. > > Jos R. HALL is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory slave schedules, Choctaw > Nation, Skullyville District, having 20 slaves, 18 Black, two Mulatto, and > there is the additional notation, that with him are "7 others interested in > 16 of these slaves." > > In Records of Fort Supply, Matthew H. HALL is listed as having been buried > in the Old Cemetary, he is listed as a "citizen, prior residence, Missouri" > He is the first listed in the cemetary records, and no other information is > given, however the second entry is dated 25 Feb 1869. > > Thomas HALL is listed in the cemetary records of Fort Supply, he is listing > #75 Band, 24th Infantry. Prior residence, Georgia. Cause of Death: Canis of > the spine. Age 34. Died 12 Oct 1884 at Ft. Supply, IT. Buried 13 Oct 1884 > Lot Number 75. Born in GA. > > Willis HALL is listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, 1882, Boggy > Depot. He says he is a renter. > > David HOLMES is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave schedules, > Choctaw Nation, Blue county, owning 10 slaves, all are black. > > There are 17 JOHNSON listed in Vol 1, and I will only list the first names > here: Alfred, Andy, Charles, Col. Freddie, Henry, J. H., J. M., John, > Lewis, Sarah, Sibby, Tom B., William, William E., Willis. > > In Vol 2 there is a Lotty BROOKS listed: > Estates and Guardianships, Tishomingo County, Chickasaw Nation, 6 Jan 1846 > [Doc#6885] > > There are two HALL listed in Vol 2: Peggie(Mrs.) and Wm. > All the listings are in the records of marriages in the Cherokee Nation. > (1869-1895) > > undated doc [Doc#1408] Peggie HALL nee CHRISTIE to marry Wm Hall > 22 Dec 1888 [Doc#1335] Wm HALL(white) to marry Mrs. Ester USSERY. > 03 Aug 1894 [Doc#1392] Wm HALL application to marry. > > Once again I will merely list the first names of the JOHNSON in Vol 2: > Belinty, Dave, J. W., James, Jas. M., Jennie, John F., Levi, R., Sarah, Susie. > > > > > > Nalora > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! >

It appears numerous people are looking for HARRIS family. I was reading thru 'LIFE AND TIMES OF THE CHOCTAW ORIGINAL ENROLLEES' (family stories) and in this book are the following HARRIS' mentioned: Judge Henry Churchill Harris Margaret Elizabeth Lee Harris Bert Starr Harris Mary Lottie Harris Robert Churchill Harris Josiephine Beatres Harris numerous other family members that I won't type here There are about 15 stories on Harris' - don't know if they are all connected, but if I can help anyone with this book, just e-mail me!

At 08:41 PM 3/18/00 EST, you wrote: >Is there a James Knox Bowman listed in the Intruders Book. He was in several >areas of the Indian Nations but we know the was in the Cherokee listed as >married to a Choctaw wife. Jean, There is no James Knox BOWMAN listed in either volume that I have, however the following BOWMAN and BOWSMAN are found in Vol 1 Intruders and Non-citizens in the Creek Nation: Jul 1877 [Doc#30918] Creek Chief to US Indian Agent Advising Frank BOWMAN, Jesse ROBISON and Richard BUTLER are white intruders in the Wewoka District 10 Nov 1876 [Doc#309803] Creek Chief. To US Indian Agent, Muskogee. That he is advised there is a family of US citizens in Coweta District by the name of BOWSMAN, without permits and intruders. Nalora

Hi Nalora Could you tell me what kind of doo dad I would need to have to look at a microfilm documents? I have seen the microfilms numbers listed on the NARA archives web site listing documents listed on it, and I had considered purchasing it, but I did not know what kind of equiptment I would need to view it on microfilm. Do you know what equipment I would need to view the microfilm doccuments? I appreciate any advise on this you can give me:-) Peace, Slimey P.S. Nalora I think I answered my own question about reading the microflm.LOL But would the public library allow one to use their microfilm readers to read outside microfilms? =======original message================    Message From: vashti@theshop.net (Nalora) Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000, 8:00am To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] intruders Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com At 09:13 PM 3/18/00 EST, you wrote: FYI, not to be down-putting, but three volumes of the indians and intruders are at my tulsa FHC and i havent found anything useful to me in them. rusty Not to start a flame war, here, Rusty, but maybe that is because you did not TAKE THE DOCUMENT NUMBER and LOOK AT THE MICROFILM. Some of the documents in the Indians and Intruders books are the most interesting documents I have ever read. The INDIANS AND INTRUDERS books are ABSTRACTS from INDIAN NATIONS Microfilm. Kind of like having...DUH an INDEX. How handy....how neato-nifty-keen!! AND I applaud Sharron and other compilers and transcribers who spend HOURS at microfilm readers making these INDEXES so other people will have an easier time finding their kin. I am continually amazed at people who have DOCUMENT number in hand, and yet never bother to get the microfilm and LOOK AT IT. That is akin to finding your kin in an INDEX and never looking at the pages in the book!!! (By the way...I am one of those silly compilers.) yall be good, now, hear? (and my apologies to Jacque) Nalora ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today!

Thanks so much, Nalora! You're generous help is much appreciated. Sue Nalora wrote: > At 10:30 PM 3/18/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Nalora, > > > >Would you be so kind as to check for the surname Young? Thanks so much. > > Sue, > > There are 2 YOUNG listed in Vol 1: Henry and William:

At 09:13 PM 3/18/00 EST, you wrote: >FYI, not to be down-putting, but three volumes of the indians and intruders >are at my tulsa FHC and i havent found anything useful to me in them. rusty Not to start a flame war, here, Rusty, but maybe that is because you did not TAKE THE DOCUMENT NUMBER and LOOK AT THE MICROFILM. Some of the documents in the Indians and Intruders books are the most interesting documents I have ever read. The INDIANS AND INTRUDERS books are ABSTRACTS from INDIAN NATIONS Microfilm. Kind of like having...DUH an INDEX. How handy....how neato-nifty-keen!! AND I applaud Sharron and other compilers and transcribers who spend HOURS at microfilm readers making these INDEXES so other people will have an easier time finding their kin. I am continually amazed at people who have DOCUMENT number in hand, and yet never bother to get the microfilm and LOOK AT IT. That is akin to finding your kin in an INDEX and never looking at the pages in the book!!! (By the way...I am one of those silly compilers.) yall be good, now, hear? (and my apologies to Jacque) Nalora

At 05:35 PM 3/18/00 -0800, you wrote: >Nalora, > >I would appreciate any information about ANDERSON or KING or WOODREN (WOODRUM) Sharon: In Volume 1 there are 4 ANDERSON Listed: James, Jenney, John, and Wm. H. Apparently there are two James ANDERSON, both are listed in the Intruders in the Choctaw Nation, 1882. Col. James Anderson is listed in Skullyville county, he says he is a renter. The other James ANDERSON is listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, but this one is in Towson County, Wheelock, IT, and he says he is a renter. Jenney ANDERSON is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave Schedules, living next door to John ANDERSON, each have 1 slave a piece, the slaves are black, and they are living in Wade County. There is another John ANDERSON listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, 1882, Blue county, he is a Freedman opening a farm. Wm. H. ANDERSON is listed in Burials at Fort Supply, He is burial number 26 in the old cemetary: Citizen, Post trader, Employe. Cause of death: Froze to death. died Jan. 1873 nine miles from camp. Buried 27 Jan. 1873 in Lot # 7. 3 KING appear in Vol. 1: Jackson, Joseph and William. Jackson KING is listed in Cherokee Nation Permits. He is given permits to hire John H. STEWART and W. N. FOWLER as farmers. 01 Jan 1877 [Doc#2538] Joseph KING is listed twice in separate Burial papers for Fort Supply, IT. He is burial number 57 in the old cemetary, Pvte, Band, 24th US Inf. Prior residence: Maddison county, TN. single. Cause of death: Acute[?] Age 31 Died 23 Mar 1882 at Post Hospital. Buried 24 Mar 1882 in Lot 57. American. William KING is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory slave schedules. Choctaw Nation, Jacks Forks County, owning 3 slaves, all mulatto. In Volume 2 there are 7 ANDERSON listed, I will only list the first names here, if you want details on any, just ask. C. J., H. D., J. E., Jane, N. E., Thos, W. E. In Volume 2 there are 13 KING listed, again, here are the first names: Abel, Emeline, J. A., Jeff, Jeffison, Katie, Lizzie, Mack, Matilda, Nancy, Nellie, Robt. Q., Wm. Nalora

At 07:56 PM 3/18/00 EST, you wrote: >Is there anything in your books on BROOKS, FITZPATRICK,HALL, HOLMES or JOHNSON. Sandi: There are 5 BROOKS listed in Vol 1: F. K., Lotty, Mary, Right Rev. Bishop, Thomas J. The Right Rev. Bishop Brooks oversees a Confirmation at Fort Supply, Oklahoma April 16, 1893. He is apparently the same as the The Right Rev F. K. BROOKS mentioned July 23 1893 in another confirmation at Fort Supply, Oklahoma. Lotty BROOKS is listed as a slave owner in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave Schedules, Tishomingo county, Chickasaw District, with a total of 8 slaves, 2 Black, 6 Mulatto, and there is the additional notation that one slave is named John, and is is over 100 years old. Mary BROOKS is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave Schedules, Choctaw Nation, Red River County, living next door to Thomas J. BROOKS, Mary has 1 black slave, Thomas has 2, they are both Mulatto. There are 4 HALL mentioned in Vol 1: Jos R., Matthew H., Thomas, and Willis. Jos R. HALL is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory slave schedules, Choctaw Nation, Skullyville District, having 20 slaves, 18 Black, two Mulatto, and there is the additional notation, that with him are "7 others interested in 16 of these slaves." In Records of Fort Supply, Matthew H. HALL is listed as having been buried in the Old Cemetary, he is listed as a "citizen, prior residence, Missouri" He is the first listed in the cemetary records, and no other information is given, however the second entry is dated 25 Feb 1869. Thomas HALL is listed in the cemetary records of Fort Supply, he is listing #75 Band, 24th Infantry. Prior residence, Georgia. Cause of Death: Canis of the spine. Age 34. Died 12 Oct 1884 at Ft. Supply, IT. Buried 13 Oct 1884 Lot Number 75. Born in GA. Willis HALL is listed as an Intruder in the Choctaw Nation, 1882, Boggy Depot. He says he is a renter. David HOLMES is listed in the 1860 Indian Territory Slave schedules, Choctaw Nation, Blue county, owning 10 slaves, all are black. There are 17 JOHNSON listed in Vol 1, and I will only list the first names here: Alfred, Andy, Charles, Col. Freddie, Henry, J. H., J. M., John, Lewis, Sarah, Sibby, Tom B., William, William E., Willis. In Vol 2 there is a Lotty BROOKS listed: Estates and Guardianships, Tishomingo County, Chickasaw Nation, 6 Jan 1846 [Doc#6885] There are two HALL listed in Vol 2: Peggie(Mrs.) and Wm. All the listings are in the records of marriages in the Cherokee Nation. (1869-1895) undated doc [Doc#1408] Peggie HALL nee CHRISTIE to marry Wm Hall 22 Dec 1888 [Doc#1335] Wm HALL(white) to marry Mrs. Ester USSERY. 03 Aug 1894 [Doc#1392] Wm HALL application to marry. Once again I will merely list the first names of the JOHNSON in Vol 2: Belinty, Dave, J. W., James, Jas. M., Jennie, John F., Levi, R., Sarah, Susie. Nalora

Jenny: There is a David FALKNER mentioned in Vol 1, "Cherokee Nation Permits" 8 Oct 1877 Bond permit issued to him to hire John OEHL, a non citizen, as a farm laborer. [Doc#2578] No DODDS, but there are DOBBS listed as Intruders in the Choctaw Nation,1882, Wm. and Winifred are the first names. No other of your requested Surnames in Vol 1. In Vol 2: Eliza, Kate, and L. G. FAULKNER appear, all in the Records of Marriage in the Cherokee Nation: 13 Dec 1887 Kate FAULKNER (cherokee) marries J. C. TAYLOR (white) [Doc#1326] 27 Oct 1891 L. G. FAULKNER (white) to marry Jenney HIMAN,(cherokee) [Doc#1364] 21 Jan 1893 Eliza FAULKNER (cherokee) to marry Wm BARNES, white [doc#1376] No other of your Surnames in Vol 2. Nalora

Nalora: Would you mind doing a check for me in your books for a choctaw Freedmen by the name Martin Gables last name may be spelled Gabriel who was suppose to have married a Jennie Williams who was a non citizen of the Choctaw Nation. Also would you mind doing a check for a choctaw freedmen by the name of Albert Gable last name may be spelled as Gabriel who was suppose to have married a choctaw freedmen by the name of Elizabeth or Lizzie Croons last name may be spelled as Croomes or Crooms. Albert Gable and Elizabeth I believe were living in Kiamichi County and moved to Atoka County at some point in time. And Martin Gables and Jennie Williams were living in Atoka County. Thanks in advance for your help, Slimey, Otis Gable P.S. Nalora also could you tell me where I may purchase the Volumes of books you have of Indians and Intruders?

I didn't think Moshulatubbe's family was in TX. As far as I know they were in OK and MS. Anyone know anything about this? Jami In a message dated 3/18/2000 9:43:02 PM Central Standard Time, j.watson2@worldnet.att.net writes: << There was a Mushhulatubbee family, Choctaw and his children's name ended in King and in the 1870 Census, Nacogdoches Co., Texas, you find a John King and Caroline V. (Johnson Tucker) also a Samuel Moss. The next household is a George King. There is several King house holds in this census. Marian in Texas >>

Nalora, Would you be so kind as to check for the surname Young? Thanks so much. Sue

There was a Mushhulatubbee family, Choctaw and his children's name ended in King and in the 1870 Census, Nacogdoches Co., Texas, you find a John King and Caroline V. (Johnson Tucker) also a Samuel Moss. The next household is a George King. There is several King house holds in this census. Marian in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon <sharander@home.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Indians and Intruders Books-Nalora > Nalora, > > I would appreciate any information about ANDERSON or KING or WOODREN (WOODRUM) > > > Sharon > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Is Tubee a tribe name or a family or last name? I know it is Choctaw. My Tubee family received land in Ashley Co., Ark. not in Ok. due to the "Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty".

FYI, not to be down-putting, but three volumes of the indians and intruders are at my tulsa FHC and i havent found anything useful to me in them. rusty

Is there a James Knox Bowman listed in the Intruders Book. He was in several areas of the Indian Nations but we know the was in the Cherokee listed as married to a Choctaw wife. Thanks, Jean

I am looking for information on a Mary Williams, No. 977 I.W. Choctaw. According to a 1928 letter I have from the Department of the Interior, United States Indian Service, my great-grandfather is listed as her heir for per capita money. How can I find out more information?

Hi Nalora: Is there anything in your books on BROOKS, FITZPATRICK, HALL, HOLMES or JOHNSON. If you need more details, please give a holler. Thanks, Sandi :)

Nalora I would appreciate any information on Fortners,Faulkners,Retherford and Dodds Thank you Jenny

Juanita: Your address bounced so I cannot get your info to you except on the list. Basically, none of the names you asked about were in Vol. 3 but I have other books I can look in if you'll give me first names. Maybe you could try private email again with a different address? Thanks. Barbara