Welcome Back Nalora!

Halito, I am looking for more information on the Jena band of Choctaw indians... If anyone can help me out I would appricate it.. My family is said to be of this band.. Makes sense since 99% of them live with in the Grant, Rapides, LaSalle Parish's of LA.. Please can someone help me out? Mainly I am looking for a IRWIN connection within the Jena band. Jennifer S. Irwin

Jennifer: The Jena Band has a web page - type "Jena Band of Choctaw Indians" into your search engine and see what you get. They have gotten their federal recognition only in the last few years. They are the descendants of a handful of escapees from the Trail of Tears when it went through Monroe, La. on the Ouachita River. Clyde Jackson used to be chief, but he may be deceased now - I haven't been over there in 10-15 years. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: ACutie4sur@aol.com <ACutie4sur@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Mississippi Choctaw-Jena Band of Choctaw HELP >Halito, > I am looking for more information on the Jena band of Choctaw indians... >If anyone can help me out I would appricate it.. My family is said to be of >this band.. Makes sense since 99% of them live with in the Grant, Rapides, >LaSalle Parish's of LA.. Please can someone help me out? > Mainly I am looking for a IRWIN connection within the Jena band. > > >Jennifer S. Irwin > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

Hello Jennifer S. Irwin, First off: No, I have not found the way through the stone/brick wall or around it at this point. I read your posting today though and would be interested in corresponding with you re. IRWINs and NAs. My grandmother was an IRWIN and I am researching her ancestors (and mine). My address is: warmrushing@worldnet.att.net . I would imagine that you have quite a lot of ERWIN info already, right? ARushing

> hello again; it's me, Stephanie, I hardley ever write, but look forward daily to my 50 plus messages - most of the time, the information is so incredibly interesting, I especially enjoyed the information supplied by Nalore--but I have watched this site for the past months, and sometimes it is just so amusing. Does anyone remember the problem in the Fall over the typo errors? Well, I just have to laugh again. This must be the time for "Poltical Correctness Time" - believe me. I truley love this site. I found out that my brick wall wasn't Choctaw after all, but i still love it here, and wish I could be part of your clan. Just an intruder i guess. Love to all.

Welcome back Nalora. Shari >From: Nalora <vashti@theshop.net> >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CHOCTAW] Good Morning >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:39:33 -0600 > >First let me say, I have returned, after an evening of sorrow, but with >comfort from all of the kind words I recieved from all of you. Pardon me if >I wax philosophical for a moment, but it is my way. I tend to see the world >with philosophical slant. > >First some background on me personally, so if you are prone to a judgement >of me, you do so with some formal data. > >I am 43 years old, I was born in Shawnee, Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma, >and I have lived in Oklahoma City since I was 6 months old. I have had a >"rough life". At the age of 13, (1969) I left home and "became a hippie". I >remained on the streets until 1974, crossing the United States many times, >in my search for "life's meaning". This time in my life taught me a great >deal about prejudice and hatred. It also began my understanding of how >people use words to hurt other people. > >We give words power. Words are nothing without intent. The master, Jesus, >once said that forgiveness is not forgiveness unless we forgive with our >hearts. This is a true saying. The words "I am sorry." have no meaning >without the intent. > >I began to think on my travels about the idea of profanity. I realized that >there is no arrangement of letters that are profane. Only the intent to >defile something sacred is profane. We teach our children that the word has >power, when it is really the heart expressing the word. External blame. We >are all prone to it. Look at how we blame the gun that kills the person. We >make laws for the gun. We ignore the fact that no external law will change >the internal heart/law. > >My intent here is not to be a "know it all". Indeed, I believe too, that >ignorance grows exponentially with knowledge. For each new thing you KNOW, >there are 10 new questions, therefore the more your learn, the less you >know. > >Someone mentioned the word "Indian" being offensive. I have paused in my >writing over that word many times. I have paused over many words. And it >seems daily there are more and more and more that must "give one pause". >But the pause should not be because of someone else's possible offence. It >should be to examine the intent of your heart. > >With that said, my apologies for causing rumblings in our group. >It was not my intent. > >My intent is to help people find their kin. I know the great peace and joy >that comes ESPECIALLY from finding the elusive ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Nalora > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join >Rootsweb.com today! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

We should group as one and send representatives to speak for us.THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. Not the chiefs just the plain folks like a few of us who have been there and done that.And will tell it like it is .Not to be bought off. A taste from all sides of our lives as NATIVE AMERICANS told by NATIVE AMERICANS. Vickie

I am in total agreement with Mandy. Vickie

We have a true Indian Uprising. That is how we will make all the wrongs right. Only this time we do it the right way.With our Hearts and all the Spirits that make us what we are and what is right RIGHT. Never forget honesty and purity. Be of one mind, body, soul and spirit.. We must ALL be as one. Then and only then will we win. We are the FIRST. Let our voices unite and be HEARD. Think my people " THINK ". I mean no offense to any. I am just at a loss as to how to deal with all the injustice and hardships we are forced to indure.My Pride is showing. I want it stopped yesterday. Wrong is wrong any way you cut it. And we as a people have and still are being WRONGED. Vickie

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF94E3.B54135E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE Please visit my web page, http://www.tracyclark.com Thank you!!!! "Keep the Faith" ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF94E3.B54135E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment Reply-To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> From: "LORI WINSHIP" <winshil@prodigy.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Welcome back Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:13:19 -0800 Message-ID: <013a01bf9525$c411e960$a103fd3f@winslom1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-UIDL: f7f066e96c4060fd980e8d279b2035cd X-Original-Sender: winshil@prodigy.net Thu Mar 23 16:05:36 2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailing-List: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1395 X-Loop: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Importance: Normal Glad to see you're back Nalora. If it weren't for you and the other kind souls who helped me with look ups I would not have known my ancestors the way I do now and give the gift no money can buy to my 85 year old Dad (full blooded Choctaw) who only knew bits and pieces of his heritage. Thanks Again Lori in No. California ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF94E3.B54135E0--

Glad to see you're back Nalora. If it weren't for you and the other kind souls who helped me with look ups I would not have known my ancestors the way I do now and give the gift no money can buy to my 85 year old Dad (full blooded Choctaw) who only knew bits and pieces of his heritage. Thanks Again Lori in No. California

Looks like you're REALLY back now. Start digging girl! Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nalora" <vashti@theshop.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:03 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] A new book!!! > FINALLY! My Boone Family Book arrived!!! Got it in today's mail. Just > thought I would add to my list of Lookup resources:

In a message dated 03/23/2000 10:17:13 AM Central Standard Time, CHOCTAW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << -------------------- X-Message: #17 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:48:35 -0600 From: "Kathy" <drakes@seark.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002301bf94d6$deb55080$542cd6cc@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] unsub Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do we make that happen? ----- Original Message ----- From: defender1 <defender1@snet.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] unsub > I would love a day of recognition for all Native Americans. > >> On my Choctaw Calendar, April 25 is tribal holiday - Choctaw Day. But nothing on Native Americans as a whole so yes, how do we make that happen? Carol

Hi Nalora: I am glad you came back too. Lee Ann Collins, CA

I am new to the list; but, I don't know why people take words so seriously. Aren't we ALL children of GOD? And, from reading these messages...all 100...I don't know why adults have to behave as this......wanting to leave the list. I am happy to know that there is a way that I can find out more about my roots. .....Mandy On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:14:45 EST TNanciten@aol.com writes: > well scope, i was chastized for telling a story, trying to bring home > a > point.. > and was told few would help me if I used the word Squaw..I wasnt > using it > I was telling what the whites called my great grandmother when she > married my > g-pa..not using the word myself?? Geez....I know its durogatory, now > can we > get past that and try to help each other??? > > Nancy > A Chickasaw Sister > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Native American Ancestors in > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? > Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/ >

I am new to the list....but, I do not find it disrespectful to be called a "squaw". I am glad that people see me as an Indian; or, part....as I am. I did find it sort of embarrassing as a child when a teacher of mine had called me a half-breed in front of my fellow classmates. At the time, I really didn't know what that word meant. But, he had said it in a way that made me think. Before that happened, a few years......one of cousins asked me if I was an Indian. My mother told me and my cousin (my mother had married his uncle....so, he didn't know) and his mother that I was part Indian. That my daddy and his family had Indian blood. So, I don't find it, in any way, an insult to be called a squaw. .....Mandy On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:38:43 -0800 Alicia Marseilles <raveneyes32@juno.com> writes: > To Scope, > You want to talk about respect? What happened to the respect due > Nolora > for all the GENUINE help she is giving people trying to find thier > ancestors??!! I am Choctaw, nothing to prove, monitoring this site > to > find lost relatives and trace my tribe back because I am also S.E. > Cherokee. Notice I did not call myself Indian (speaking of respect) > since I am of the Native People of this land and none of my family > ever > came from India. A few drunk, diseased Europeans didn't know where > they > were and out of RESPECT for my people, I refuse to let a bunch of > sailors > define us. Squaw was notice past tense here, was, used regularly > just > like nigger, cracker, and a bunch of other derogetory words. If you > go > back to some earlier American writings, you will find these words > used > regularly when describing the " lower class" along with some slave > manifests, marrige certificates, and other legal documents. That > doesn't > make it ok then and it is certainly not ok now. You have to look > at > things in the context of history and remember where they came from > in > order to NEVER ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. Nalora was not calling > anyone > a squaw, she was relaying information from a document or story... > that > tells you how old the story is, what period it came from, and > language > can help you to pinpoint a timeperiod in order to know where to look > up > records. > No disrespect was intended obviously. Like I said, she did not call > anyone a squaw. If she did, then yes, there would be something to > be > upset about and let me tell you I would be leading the charge... and > I > have on several occasions. Nalora is deserving of respect, she has > helped a lot of people. We all need to get past this > misunderstanding > and do what we should do best, stick together and support > oneanother. > There aren't enough of us to fight weather Chickasaw, Choctaw, > Cherokee, > Lakota, Creek, whatever tribe we belong to we are one people and we > need > to stand as one people. We all seem to agree that the present USE > of > squaw is derogatory and should not be used by ANYONE, but in the > context > of history, it could be a reminder of what we will never allow again > to > happen to us... Dani Ho!! > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! >

Forwarding as she is not on the list. If you can help her, please email her directly. Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nanny1Papa1@aol.com> To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 8:56 PM Subject: (no subject) > I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN I AM 40 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO > TRACE DOWN FAMILY MEMBERS FOR YEARS. MY MOM IS DIAGNOSED WITH A TERMINAL > LIVER DISEASE. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FULLFILL HER DREAM OF TRACING HER FAMILY > AND MY CHILDREN ARE TRYING TO HELP ME WITH THE COMPUTER.I HAVE 3 > GRANDCHILDREN AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR > HERITAGE. MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP WITHOUT ME BEING ABLE TO FIND OUT > ANYTHING. I AM JUST HOPING I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH TRACING SOME > FAMILY MEMBERS. I HAVE SOME NAMES MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATER WAS NAMED ALBERT > SNOW HE MARRIED MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER NANCY ROLLEN . I HAVE A NAME OF > RICHARD SNOW THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY BURIED IN MINERAL WELLS TEXAS. BUT THEN I AM > TOLD THEY ARE BURIED IN ROOSEVELT OKLA. I HAVE A NAME OF MARY SNOW PALMER AT > THE AGE OF 22 YEARS MARRIED WILLIAM R. DAVIS ON OCT. 9TH 1898 I HAVE A NAME > OF JAMES A. SNOW THAT ARRIVED IN KRAMITIA COUNTY IN 1860 AND WAS CHOCTAW. > NANCXY ROLLEN SNOW GAVE BIRTH TO MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER CORDELIA SNOW. SHE HAD > A BROTHER RICHARD SNOW AND ROBERT SNOW.THAT IS ALL I HAVE AND I HAVE NO IDEA > WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. HOPEFULLY MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WILL SOMEDAY > BE ABLE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR HERITAGE. IF THERE IS > ANYWAY YOU COULD ADVISE ME WHERE TO PROCEED FROM HERE MY ENTIRE FAMILY WOULD > TRULY APPRECIATE IT. AND IT WOULD FULLFILL MY MOM'S DREAM MORE THAN ANYONE > COULD KNOW. THANK YOU SINCERELY MARCIA ROBERTSON. >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Barkley" <genreser@intcon.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] 1885 census in Atoka Eliza Barker Sonja, usually especially on the 1885 Choctaw Census families were listed together. f she was living when the Dawes rolls were made, the census card shows their parents. Doug sonja wrote: Found our ancestor Eliza Barker listed on 1885 census in Atoka , Oklahoma.. .. she is listed with her child Seth .. both listed as Indian by blood .. have been unable to find her parents !! and even unsure as to whether Barker was a maiden name or a married name .. we know child (Seth) was offspring of Dunn. any info on Eliza Barker ? any one ? thank you . Researching: Barker Reasor Dunn Tierce Gaines Smith McRight Holland Lucas Graham Gipson Gilstrap Gentry Major Forrester Camp ****************************************************************** > looking on the census of 1885 , there are no Barkers listed next to her on the list and we know she did not register for the Dawes.... story being she was cherokee and did not go to where she needed to register .... that is why we are looking for her parents .... as they may have registered ....or some of her siblings ..... (the child listed on the census , Seth, his father , was a Dunn.. part Choctaw and Dunn is on the Dawes)... > Any body have any ideas where to look next for any of Eliza Barker's relatives ?

FINALLY! My Boone Family Book arrived!!! Got it in today's mail. Just thought I would add to my list of Lookup resources: The Boone Family: A Genealogical History of the Descendants of George and Mary Boone who came to America in 1717, containing many unpublished bits of early Kentucky History, Compiled by Hazel Atterbury Spraker, originally published 1922 reprinted 1999. I am so excited. My great great great grandma is a Boone from Howard County Mo, born there in Abt. 1820. (And yall know that Nathan Boone of Dragoon--Ft. Gibson, Oklahoma, 1843 was there about that time...)yippee yahooe! The genealogy gods have smiled on me on a rainy day in Oklahoma!! Nalora

TOGETHER WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL. Nalora please come back you have been such a great help to this list and should be praised for all that you have done for each and everyone of us. A proud Choctaw Sister. Terri