Come on folks...surely we can get over the "being offended" ... after all these years! Let's get off the high horse and get back to "ye olde family history" and cut out the jawing.We are all in this together and if "this and that" continue to offend you, we are all on the wrong page. Surely you can get back to business and get your hearts off your shoulder. No one will accomplish anything this way. And you are preaching to the choir!

Join the crowd Lisa..... I reason I am offended by the word Ignorant, is that when I was growing up non native american, but as a "okie child" we were ref to as those "ignorant okies" from Oklahoma who came to California. My father knew he was NA, but didnt say much unless you probed him. So we became those poor ignorant okies!!!!!!!! I guess we all have some baggage we carry around!!!!!!!!!!!! Well we might have been poor, but not ignorant, considering I was a straight A student all my school years. ( but I guess we did have that Okie accent..hehe) Lets all support each other!!! Most of all, lets preserve the NA heritage, over the years I have seen it slipping away. I also listed myself on the census at NA/chickasaw!!!!! my children and grandchilden did too, except for the oldest grandchild, who is NA/Hispanic, he had that right to choose!!!! to identify himself with his paternal family as well. The 2000 census if the first time my family has actually identified our NA heritage in over 100 years!!!!! Nancy Proud to be Native American

Nancy Are you part African American too? My desendents are african American and Choctaw Freedmen. I have found quiet alot of history of my ancestry on the choctaw Freedmen Rolls, enough to know that my ancestors are a mix of African American and Choctaw do to intermarriage and also by illigitimate birth by the Choctaw slave master taking advantge of their female African American slaves way back when they all looked the other way when our female slave ancestors were in their prime. I am still proud of my African American blood line as well as my Native american blood line, I can't and wouldn't change who and what I am, because I AM THAT I AM. Slimey ===========original message=============    Message From: TNanciten@aol.com Date: Tue, Mar 28, 2000, 8:54pm (CST+1) To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Also offended by the word! Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Hello everyone.. Because I was fortunate to find this site, I have learned an immense amount about native americans, inc , (and I am serious) how to correctly name my grandmothers heritage..native american. At my work place I have begun to educate them on the use of the word, Indian, Squaw,Buck, and others. They were shocked because they sd they learned these names in school. Well the "N" word was learned that way to , when some ref to our african american families....and written in books. May we all keep a open mind in this forum abt this learning process, and support the ones here who have done alot of research for everyone. God Bless. Nancy Mae Cathey Tenhet A native american decendent Chickasaw Tribe ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm

I have a bad habit of using the word America Indian. I am married to a "Native American" and he isn't affended by the term American Indian. I Understand why there could be people offended but I also think that it has alot to do with the way that it is used. I am very proud of my husband's hertiage which is also my childrens. They will be marked as native American on the census report. If I use the term American Indian on this list please don't think of it in a negative way. I by no way mean to be offensive. I am still trying to figure out what the heck I am!!!! Lisa Colbert

Carolyn They may be working on Don's Maerini's web site only reason I know it isn't workng now maybe????? Slimey    Message From: AhSweet1@aol.com Date: Tue, Mar 28, 2000, 8:23am (CST+1) To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] book request Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com I n a message dated 03/28/2000 7:16:36 AM Central Standard Time, SLIMEY_1@webtv.net writes: << http:www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html >> Web page for Don Martini's site did not work for me                                                                                 Carolyn ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma

Jami I don't know what happen I was on Don Martini's web site this morning but now I can't access it either. Try Later maybe they were working on it. Slimey    Message From: Jamialane@aol.com Date: Tue, Mar 28, 2000, 8:31am (CST+1) To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] book request Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com In a message dated 3/28/2000 7:16:36 AM Central Standard Time, SLIMEY_1@webtv.net writes: << Don Martini's Web page http:www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html   Peace,  Slimey >> Thanks Slimey But even with the backslashes added : http://www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html I cannot get anything to load on the web site. Jami ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Looking for your Native American Ancestors in Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/

I am offended that anyone would call another ignorant! I forgive you. Nancy

Hello everyone.. Because I was fortunate to find this site, I have learned an immense amount about native americans, inc , (and I am serious) how to correctly name my grandmothers heritage..native american. At my work place I have begun to educate them on the use of the word, Indian, Squaw,Buck, and others. They were shocked because they sd they learned these names in school. Well the "N" word was learned that way to , when some ref to our african american families....and written in books. May we all keep a open mind in this forum abt this learning process, and support the ones here who have done alot of research for everyone. God Bless. Nancy Mae Cathey Tenhet A native american decendent Chickasaw Tribe

unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] intermarriage and school >Trisha: > >Is this video strictly about native American's? Do you remember who puts it >out? Sounds like something I need for my classroom seminars. > >sherry >dustyc@microgear.net >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott and Trisha Neal <sandtneal@netzero.net> >To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:57 AM >Subject: [CHOCTAW] intermarriage and school > > >>Not that one has anything to do with the other! >>First, thanks to all who responded to my question about >>intermarriage; I tend to do a "Gee, I wonder what it was >>like for (fill in a relative) back in (fill in a date)?" thing. >> >>Second, in response to a couple of messages regarding >>what they were "taught" in school about Native Americans, >>there's a video called "They Lied to You in School" that's on >>that very subject. It's around 40 minutes, probably at your >>library, VC970.00497 T344. But I guess that's preaching to >>the choir here! >>:)Trisha >> >> >>==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >>OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >>Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

Forwarding as Ralph is not a subscriber. If you have any info for him, please email him directly.\ Thanks Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: RALPH FERGUSON <pistonhips@centurytel.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:09 PM Subject: my ancestry > Dear Sirs, > Please send information as to how I can receive ancestral knowlege. I am 1/8 Choctaw .My Father was 1/4 Choctaw.His name is Ralph Martin Ferguson.My Grandmother's name is Ollie Ferguson, she was 1/2 Choctaw. My Great Grand Mother passed away before I knew her. >

Hi Nalora, Well, several of my relatives are listed - you may remember them from our earlier discussions when I asked you for help. How long would it take for the bio info on the following names: > WARD, Henry P., Choctaw, b. March 1856 Springtown, Parker Co. TX > father: Joseph Ward of Patterson, N. J. > mother: "Miss Thompson" of Doaksville, a member of the Wall and Folsom > families" > wife: Miss Mary Dysart daughter of James A. Dysart of Springfield, Mo > children: 10 born, 6 survive: Ella M., Ethel M., Leo Oliver, Louisa M., > William David and Eddie > WARD, Charles, Choctaw, b. 1849 Red River, Choctaw Nation > wife: Mary Elizabeth Summers, of MO > children: Charles Oliver, Benjamin F., Mary Elizabeth, > William Giels and Aaron. > brother: Judge Henry Ward > WARD, Robert J., Choctaw,b. July 1850, Oak Lodge > father: Jerimiah Ward > wife: Ida Barker (cherokee) sister of W. H. Barker of Muskogee > children: 8, six living: Sarah E., Susan E., Cora J., Robert J., > Ada B., and Irene C. Not sure about the above. > WARD, William G., Choctaw b. 1847, Panola, IT > father: Joseph Ward of Newberry > mother: Elizabeth Thompson daughter of Giles Thompson > Boggy Depot, IT > wife: Eliza Beck daughter of Caleb McDaniel Beck, Cherokee > children: 8, 4 boys, 4 girls, oldest Timothy > WARD, J. L., Choctaw, b. 1861 Parker Co. TX > father: Joseph Ward > wife: Lettie Simmons > children: Colman James, Lucy Elizabeth, David Robb, and Joseph Henry > brother: Judge Henry Ward, and William Ward > YORK, William C., Cherokee, 1852, Wayne county, MO > wife: Sarah Ward, Cherokee, daughter of Sam Ward, Boggy Depot > cousin to H. P. Ward of Kiowa. > children: Maud, Ella, Leslie O., Mabel Lee, Willie, Pearl and Benjamin. > Nalora Remember me asking about Coleman J. WARD? He is my father's great-uncle. He married William YORK's (from above) daughter, Willie. Rather exciting to see all those relatives listed <BG> Yippee. BTW - I'm patient! Love Jacque

Yes, strictly about Native Americans, but I'm sorry, I don't know who put it out. A friend just had it recently; I'll ask if she recalls. Trisha -----Original Message----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] intermarriage and school >Trisha: > >Is this video strictly about native American's? Do you remember who puts it >out? Sounds like something I need for my classroom seminars. > >sherry >dustyc@microgear.net >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott and Trisha Neal <sandtneal@netzero.net> >To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:57 AM >Subject: [CHOCTAW] intermarriage and school > > >>Not that one has anything to do with the other! >>First, thanks to all who responded to my question about >>intermarriage; I tend to do a "Gee, I wonder what it was >>like for (fill in a relative) back in (fill in a date)?" thing. >> >>Second, in response to a couple of messages regarding >>what they were "taught" in school about Native Americans, >>there's a video called "They Lied to You in School" that's on >>that very subject. It's around 40 minutes, probably at your >>library, VC970.00497 T344. But I guess that's preaching to >>the choir here! >>:)Trisha >> >> >>==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >>OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >>Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm > > _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Hi: It didn't work for me, either in regard to Don Martini's web site. Sandi :)

Trisha: Is this video strictly about native American's? Do you remember who puts it out? Sounds like something I need for my classroom seminars. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Trisha Neal <sandtneal@netzero.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] intermarriage and school >Not that one has anything to do with the other! >First, thanks to all who responded to my question about >intermarriage; I tend to do a "Gee, I wonder what it was >like for (fill in a relative) back in (fill in a date)?" thing. > >Second, in response to a couple of messages regarding >what they were "taught" in school about Native Americans, >there's a video called "They Lied to You in School" that's on >that very subject. It's around 40 minutes, probably at your >library, VC970.00497 T344. But I guess that's preaching to >the choir here! >:)Trisha > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ >Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

Jim, if nothing else you should be offended by your own ignorance. We got tagged the name Indian because some lost European sailors thought that they had landed in India....We are all now aware they were wrong.... get a clue.. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

For those of you working on the LeFlore line could you see if you have a Newton LeFlore listed? He would have died before 1885. He is listed as full blood Choctaw. He had known children : Joshua, Louena and Louis Thank you Tammy Dice Jones wjones@texhoma.net

I have both Criders and Austins on my "Cathey" side of my family. Some seem to be cousins...strange enough when I was growing up here in Calif, I had some friends who were Criders & Austins, and they were cousins, but I did not know they might be mine also???? If you would like I can look up this line of Catheys and give you some names..... Now, Im not sure if the have any Native american connection, most of my Catheys do not...that is an old family of English/Scotts. Except for a family I found married into a family named "Hawk" I am not sure who the Hawks were, but it sounded NA. I monitor this site for Knowledge and hoping some day the name "Gann" will pop up more often, thats my NA side and poss the name Sarah Mills? Nancy M. Cathey Tenhet A Chickasaw Sister

In a message dated 3/28/2000 7:16:36 AM Central Standard Time, SLIMEY_1@webtv.net writes: << Don Martini's Web page http:www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html Peace, Slimey >> Thanks Slimey But even with the backslashes added : http://www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html I cannot get anything to load on the web site. Jami

In a message dated 03/28/2000 7:16:36 AM Central Standard Time, SLIMEY_1@webtv.net writes: << http:www.pcuf.fi/~howler/prods/prods.html >> Web page for Don Martini's site did not work for me Carolyn