WARRIOR IN TWO WORLDS Thursday, April 6, 2000 (10-11:00 pm) This special chronicles the complex life of Ely Parker -- Seneca chief, legal scholar, engineer and Civil War hero -- through archival photos, historical documents and interviews with historians and Native-American experts. (CC, WWW) Nalora

WILD HORSES: AN AMERICAN ROMANCE Thursday, April 6, 2000 (8-9:00 pm) Narrated by veteran Native American actor Wes Studi, this special looks at the rise and fall of the mustang in the western United States (CC, Stereo, WWW) WILD HORSES: AN AMERICAN ROMANCE Wild horses will drag you to, rather than away from this site that offers the fascinating history of the remarkable free-ranging mustangs who arrived with the Conquistadors in the sixteenth century. Examine the role they have played in people's lives since they returned to this continent, and find out what happens when wild horses and human encroachment collide. http://www.pbs.org/wildhorses/ Nalora

Jacque: I found her Bray listed on Dawes...what is her personal address??? sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: bray >Forwarding - if you can help Karen, please email her personally, as she is not a subscriber. Thanks, Jacque >----- Original Message ----- >From: Karen Hill >To: hopkinsj@ida.net >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 2:24 PM >Subject: bray > > >Hello, i have been trying to find my 3rd. greatgrand father william h. bray, on the roll ,the #4861 i received from a aunt out of the family bible. and was hoping some one could tell me if it on the roll. also his wife was mary o,reily bray they both got their roll number in stillwell oklahoma. from what was in the family bible. please let me know if they are on it thank you.karen > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com >

Isn't this screwy?? I wonder if different tribes do it differently.. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: AhSweet1@aol.com <AhSweet1@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] blood quantum > When I applied for my CDIB the blood ratio was cut 1/4 each generation. > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Well, that's what I always thought too, but somebody told me ( can't remember who, but it was somebody on one of the indian lists) that the govt. figures it differently.. Of course we know that if it's logical, the govt. is always going to do it some other way,<G> Anyway, mine came up with a whole lot more than I had figured all these years, with what I inherited from both sides of my family. Go figure!!! dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Jamialane@aol.com <Jamialane@aol.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] blood quantum >When I got mine it was by 1/2 each generation and it is that way for >every tribe. It is a matter of logic. Each parent gives you have of your >genes. If you father was 1/2 and your mother was white then you would >be 1/4. > >Jami > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ >Lots of Native American Links there. >

When I got mine it was by 1/2 each generation and it is that way for every tribe. It is a matter of logic. Each parent gives you have of your genes. If you father was 1/2 and your mother was white then you would be 1/4. Jami

Forwarding - if you can help Karen, please email her personally, as she is not a subscriber. Thanks, Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Hill To: hopkinsj@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: bray Hello, i have been trying to find my 3rd. greatgrand father william h. bray, on the roll ,the #4861 i received from a aunt out of the family bible. and was hoping some one could tell me if it on the roll. also his wife was mary o,reily bray they both got their roll number in stillwell oklahoma. from what was in the family bible. please let me know if they are on it thank you.karen

In a message dated 3/27/00 7:12:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, vashti@theshop.net writes: << GARDNER, Judge Jefferson, Choctaw, b. 1844, Wheelock, Choctaw Nation father: Noll Gardner wives: (1) Lucy James children: Eliza (2) Lucy Christy daughter of James Christy children: John, Willie Emma and Scott (3) Julia Christy >> Nalora , would you look up Jefferson Gardner for me Paul

When I applied for my CDIB the blood ratio was cut 1/4 each generation.

Nalora, i looked at theFHC in Tulsa for the O'Beirne Book but it wasn't there and they have sent out a query for inter-library loan. In the mean time, may I have a transcription on LEWIS, SIMON E. thanks, Rusty Lang

I believe it's mathematically impossible for the father to be 1/4 and the child to be 3/4. If the mother was full blood (4/4) and the father was 1/4, add the two together (5/4) and divide by two (5/8). That's a smidge over 1/2, and that's the most the child could be if the father is 1/4. Which is not to say somebody didn't enroll them that way, because that's quite possible. Beverly >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:05:28 -0600 >From: "Kelli Staples" <kmstapl@hotmail.com> >To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20000331220938.74462.qmail@hotmail.com> >Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >I've got a question. How do you figure blood quantum? If a father is 1/4 and the child is 3/4, how much is the mother? > >Besides the Dawes Roll, is there anywhere else blood quantum was figured? If so, where do I find it? Thanks for helping! > >Kelli

You can't believe everything people tell you or what you read either. I have been at this over twenty years and this is the first time I have ever heard of only loosing 1/8 per generation. I don't think the info is correct. Bennie Loftin ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Re: CHOCTAW-D Digest V00 #88 > I always though you just did it by simple math...cut the blood quantum in > half every generation, but for some reason the govt. doesn't do it like this > (I was told). How they figure you only lost 1/8 per generation is beyond > me, but I'll sure accept it, as that makes more people eligible. > > dustyc@microgear.net > -----Original Message----- > From: C.J. Bryan <cjbryan@chugach.net> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 12:16 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Re: CHOCTAW-D Digest V00 #88 > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum > >> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:05:28 -0600 > >> From: "Kelli Staples" <kmstapl@hotmail.com> > >> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> I've got a question. How do you figure blood quantum? If a father is > 1/4 and the child is 3/4, how much is the mother? > >> > >> Besides the Dawes Roll, is there anywhere else blood quantum was figured? > If so, where do I find it? Thanks for helping! > >> > >> Kelli > >> If it's just a math question, the answer (or non-answer) would go like > this; the child is 3/4 or 6/8 Choctaw, and if the > >> child gets one half of it's parents' blood quantum, then the child got > 1/8 from the father (who was 1/4 Indian)) and 5/8 > >> from the mother, which is not possible. The father would have to have > been 1/2 for the child to be 3/4. As the question is > >> posed the most the child could be is 5/8. > > > >C. J. > > > >> > >> ______________________________ > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. >

If you send your information to the Choctaw Nation for your CDIB, they will figure your blood quantam. They will divide each generation by 1/2 and that is what will be on your CDIB card. If you have Choctaw on both sides of your ancestory, then once each side is divided in half for each generation, the two sides are then added together to get your total blood quantam. FB Grandma FB Grandpa 1/2 Mom 1/2 Father 1/4 You 1/4 You 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2 Your total quantam Hope this makes sense. Shelley

I always though you just did it by simple math...cut the blood quantum in half every generation, but for some reason the govt. doesn't do it like this (I was told). How they figure you only lost 1/8 per generation is beyond me, but I'll sure accept it, as that makes more people eligible. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: C.J. Bryan <cjbryan@chugach.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Re: CHOCTAW-D Digest V00 #88 > > > >> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum >> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:05:28 -0600 >> From: "Kelli Staples" <kmstapl@hotmail.com> >> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >> >> I've got a question. How do you figure blood quantum? If a father is 1/4 and the child is 3/4, how much is the mother? >> >> Besides the Dawes Roll, is there anywhere else blood quantum was figured? If so, where do I find it? Thanks for helping! >> >> Kelli >> If it's just a math question, the answer (or non-answer) would go like this; the child is 3/4 or 6/8 Choctaw, and if the >> child gets one half of it's parents' blood quantum, then the child got 1/8 from the father (who was 1/4 Indian)) and 5/8 >> from the mother, which is not possible. The father would have to have been 1/2 for the child to be 3/4. As the question is >> posed the most the child could be is 5/8. > >C. J. > >> >> ______________________________ >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html >

I have thought and thought about an appropriate "Thank You" to Nalora for her tireless efforts in putting the O'Beirne index on line, but her accomplishments always defy description. I will simply utilize her wonderful gift to us all, and bless her each time that I do. -----Original Message----- From: Kelli Staples <kmstapl@hotmail.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] thanks >Well said!!!! Kelli >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Rlang90547@aol.com> >To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:50 PM >Subject: [CHOCTAW] thanks > > >> I forgot to say thanks to Nalora and Debra Jane Deaton Manale for the >great >> work on Choctaw Leaders. Let's hear it for them! >> Rusty Lang >> >> >> ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ >> Lots of Native American Links there. >> >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html > >

> Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:05:28 -0600 > From: "Kelli Staples" <kmstapl@hotmail.com> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > > I've got a question. How do you figure blood quantum? If a father is 1/4 and the child is 3/4, how much is the mother? > > Besides the Dawes Roll, is there anywhere else blood quantum was figured? If so, where do I find it? Thanks for helping! > > Kelli > If it's just a math question, the answer (or non-answer) would go like this; the child is 3/4 or 6/8 Choctaw, and if the > child gets one half of it's parents' blood quantum, then the child got 1/8 from the father (who was 1/4 Indian)) and 5/8 > from the mother, which is not possible. The father would have to have been 1/2 for the child to be 3/4. As the question is > posed the most the child could be is 5/8. C. J. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

http://www.hr/mprofaca/navajo.html about 1/2 way down the page is an article about this and links to follow. Sheila

Someone told me once that the govt. only counts 1/8 lost per generation. I don't undertstand that,but that's what they said. Yes, there are other rolls that give blood quantum...some of the Eastern Cherokee rolls do. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Eugene--Norma Roth <genor@mtnhome.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, March 31, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum >1/4+3/4=4/4divided by 2=1/2 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kelli Staples <kmstapl@hotmail.com> >To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:05 PM >Subject: [CHOCTAW] Blood Quantum > > >> I've got a question. How do you figure blood quantum? If a father is 1/4 >and the child is 3/4, how much is the mother? >> >> Besides the Dawes Roll, is there anywhere else blood quantum was figured? >If so, where do I find it? Thanks for helping! >> >> Kelli >> >> >> ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >> Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html >> > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com >

Hi list- Is anyone researching Carney Ott, son of Alfred Ott and Icey Wade? He married Eliza Wade. Kelli

Well said!!!! Kelli ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rlang90547@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:50 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] thanks > I forgot to say thanks to Nalora and Debra Jane Deaton Manale for the great > work on Choctaw Leaders. Let's hear it for them! > Rusty Lang > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. > >