Kitchen? Dinner? Im the only person with a stove that I have had for 8 yrs, not even dirty, but I do dust it off every once in a while!!!!!!!!! Nancy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Markie" <mlo99@bellsouth.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Dress > Hey Sandi! > > Kitchen? Dinner? What is that?? I tore that room off of my house when > all the kids grew up! heeheehee... I have REtired! Hubby says... so > THAT'S what you call it!! LOL > > Markie > > At 07:13 PM 04/02/2000 EDT, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 4/2/00 4:07:44 PM, mlo99@bellsouth.net writes: > > > ><<http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/dress.htm>> > > > >Hi Markie Girl: > > > >I just checked out the dresses. Gee, why do you keep putting off making > >yours? I want one without the apron. My husband might think it was time > for > >me to go in the kitchen and make dinner! LOL > > > >Sandi :) > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. >

Hey Sandi! Kitchen? Dinner? What is that?? I tore that room off of my house when all the kids grew up! heeheehee... I have REtired! Hubby says... so THAT'S what you call it!! LOL Markie At 07:13 PM 04/02/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/2/00 4:07:44 PM, mlo99@bellsouth.net writes: > ><<http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/dress.htm>> > >Hi Markie Girl: > >I just checked out the dresses. Gee, why do you keep putting off making >yours? I want one without the apron. My husband might think it was time for >me to go in the kitchen and make dinner! LOL > >Sandi :) >

Shelley: I make the Chatah apron dresses. What do you need to know? I have heard stories in my family of a picture of my gr. gr. grandparents and she was wearing a buckskin dress. I'm like you, I didn't know about this. I haen't seen the picture for myself. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Choctaw <choctaw@bscn.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 02, 2000 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Dress >Someone once mentioned that had seen a picture of a chahta buckskin dress. >I'd love to see a picture of a buckskin dress that was traditionally chahta, >if such exists. >Also, Markie, I need to know where to find your info on the apron dresses >again. I don't know how I keep loosing it. Does anyone happen to know >someone who makes apron dresses? >Yokoke!! >Shelley (Hishi ohoyo) > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ >Lots of Native American Links there. >

Hi Guys- Does anyone have any of these books? Are they loaded with good info.? If so, would you be willing to so lookups? Records of the Choctaw Trading Post 1803-1815 and 1808 & 1810 Census Washington County, Mississippi Territory Records of the Choctaw Trading Post 1816-1823 Probate Records U.S. District Court, Second Div., Central Dis. South McAlester, 1890-1908 Kelli Staples kmstapl@hotmail.com

Hi Guys- Does anyone have either of these books? Are they loaded with good info.? If so, would you be willing to so lookups? Records of the Choctaw Trading Post 1803-1815 and 1808 & 1810 Census Washington County, Mississippi Territory Records of the Choctaw Trading Post 1816-1823 Kelli Staples kmstapl@hotmail.com

In a message dated 4/2/00 4:07:44 PM, mlo99@bellsouth.net writes: <<http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/dress.htm>> Hi Markie Girl: I just checked out the dresses. Gee, why do you keep putting off making yours? I want one without the apron. My husband might think it was time for me to go in the kitchen and make dinner! LOL Sandi :)

Yokoke Markie!! I think I'll pass on the pre-contact version too. :) Here's a decription I found on the net, based on a picture by Caitlin: "Women in Catlin's pictures are shown wearing mid-calf length buckskin dresses, with sculpted bottoms. These dresses, known as "two-hide" dresses, are very similar to those worn by the Blackfoot, Sioux, and Missouri Indians although the former might be longer than those painted by Catlin. The bottoms, arms and yokes are all fringed and some seem to be decorated with strands of material, beads or hair." I've found some online for sale that might be like what was worn. Thanks again for our help. Shelley

Hi Nalore: When your garden is all weeded, etc., please do check out that Maupin gal for me. I e-mailed a Maupin cousin and she said she'd heard of the person and would also like to know the family connection. Thanks, Sandi :)

Hi Shelley, From what I have read, the Choctaw buckskin dresses, back before cloth or pre-contact with the europeans, were topless.. <G> The pictures that I have seen, they were short, like knee length, and fringed on the bottom. In the winter time, they wore mantles or capes made out of feathers, like turkey, or deer skin. I have seen some people wearing buckskin dress at the pow wows in south Louisiana where the top is covering only one shoulder. The other shoulder is bare. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be Choctaw or not, as I have never asked. I made me a buckskin dress, and my husband, who was kidding of course, said, why don't you make it "pre-contact"... laughingly I said... I DON'T THINK SOOOOO!!! <g> I'll try and find a picture to scan and put up on the web page also... good idea! Here is the URL for the page on the dresses. I don't know anyone who makes these, but I know they sure are a lot of work. I bought the material for one a while back, but haven't gotten the nerve to start on it yet. That's one of those, when I get a "round-Tuit" things...<G> http://freepages.cultures.rootsweb.com/~choctaw/dress.htm Yakoke! Markie At 05:23 PM 04/02/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Someone once mentioned that had seen a picture of a chahta buckskin dress. >I'd love to see a picture of a buckskin dress that was traditionally chahta, >if such exists. >Also, Markie, I need to know where to find your info on the apron dresses >again. I don't know how I keep loosing it. Does anyone happen to know >someone who makes apron dresses? >Yokoke!! >Shelley (Hishi ohoyo) > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ >Lots of Native American Links there. > > >

Someone once mentioned that had seen a picture of a chahta buckskin dress. I'd love to see a picture of a buckskin dress that was traditionally chahta, if such exists. Also, Markie, I need to know where to find your info on the apron dresses again. I don't know how I keep loosing it. Does anyone happen to know someone who makes apron dresses? Yokoke!! Shelley (Hishi ohoyo)

It is a female. Very lovely looking woman. Could check in the archives next time I am there, if you like. Of course lately I have not gone to the library. Too darn pretty outside and my gardens call me out there!! Nalora

Sorry Fay I don't know if the Carnes name was at one time Carney? The Carnes is a line that married into the Jones family. And one of the Jones boys was said to have killed a Ben Carnes. Tammy

Hi Nalora: I wonder who he was? My relative, John Rice Maupin, who ran with the Jesse James gang, married into the Colbert family along with a lot of my other relatives. But, he only had a daughter. Was there more on that? By the way, John Rice Maupin is the one referred to in GOODING & MAUPIN, the store. A Maupin cousin sent me a long article on the Colbert Ferry and the John was mentioned a number of times. Sandi :)

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Sherry, Her email address is khill@whidbey.net I think she will be very pleased to hear that. Thanks Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty Collins <dustyc@microgear.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Fw: bray > Jacque: > > I found her Bray listed on Dawes...what is her personal address??? > > sherry > dustyc@microgear.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 9:24 PM > Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: bray > > > >Forwarding - if you can help Karen, please email her personally, as she is > not a subscriber. Thanks, Jacque > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Karen Hill > >To: hopkinsj@ida.net > >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 2:24 PM > >Subject: bray > > > > > >Hello, i have been trying to find my 3rd. greatgrand father william h. > bray, on the roll ,the #4861 i received from a aunt out of the family bible. > and was hoping some one could tell me if it on the roll. also his wife was > mary o,reily bray they both got their roll number in stillwell oklahoma. > from what was in the family bible. please let me know if they are on it > thank you.karen > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Was reading a little in the books and pictures included on the Native American CD (from Oklahoma Historical Society Archives) and found a Chockie La Flore Maupin pictured in the picture section. Just thought you might like to know, Sandi. Nalora

I tried to scan some of the photos in the book with a regular scanner and am a little frightened that it will damage the book, so I have decided that I must buy a handheld scanner in order to avoid damage to the book. My hope is to eventually have the pics on my web page. (which, by the way is shaping up nicely, slowly but surely.) Nalora

"Leaders and Leading Men of the Indian Territory", Vol. I, Choctaws and Chickasaws By H. F. O'Beirne published 1891. [ a photo of Judge Gardner accompanies the bio ] page 174 JUDGE JEFF GARDNER The subject of this sketch was born near Wheelock, Choctaw Nation, in July 1844. He is the eldest son of Noll Gardner, at one time interpreter for the missionaries. In 1855 he was sent to Norfolk School, Towsen county and the following year went to Spencer Academy, where he remained two years. In 1862 he married Lucy James, who lived but a short time. The issue of this marriage was one child, named Eliza. In 1864 he married Lucy Christy, daughter of James Christy, by whom he had four children--John, Willie, Emma and Scott. Mr. Gardner engaged in farming and stock-raising in 1862, and in 1864 was appointed county clerk, and the following year district clerk. In 1873 he was called to represent Eagle and Norshoba (Wolf) counties in the senate, and in 1884 was elected national treasurer, which office he held for four years to the complete satisfaction of all parties. In 1888 he became supreme judge of the Second District, which office he still holds. In 1878 Mr. Gardner engaged in the Mercantile business at Eagle Town, and became United States Postmaster at the same time. His second wife dying, he married Julia Christy, who is still living. His property consists of three hundred acres of land under cultivation, a small herd of cattle, and a substantial and comfortable home. He is perhaps the most popular man in the Choctaw Nation, and is undoubtedly a gentleman of the highest principle, conscientious almost to a fault. On several occasions he has been solicited to become a candidate for principal chief, but his modesty kept him in the back ground. There is still time, however, and we shall rejoice to see him wear the executive title before his days are numbered. ---------------- Nalora

"Leaders and Leading Men of the Indian Territory", Vol. I, Choctaws and Chickasaws By H. F. O'Beirne published 1891. [a picture of Simon E. Lewis and Mrs. Lewis accompany the bio ] page 198 SIMON E. LEWIS Judge Lewis was born in Towsen county in December, 1840, and was educated at Spencer Academy. When the war broke out he enlisted in Gen. Cooper's command and served four years. Soon after the war he married May Hilldebrand, a Cherokee, by whom he had one child, named Kathleen. In 1875 he was united to Eliza Striplin, a white girl, and having procured a divorce in 1876, married Julia Hunter, by whom he had one child that died in infancy. In 1877 his wife died, and in two years afterward he married Mrs. Murphy, widow of the late Benjamin Murphy, of Jacks Forks county, the issue of their marriage being four living children, named Simon Frazier, George Claburne, Julia Alma, and Ruth. In 1879 Mr. Lewis was deputy sheriff of San Bois county; from 1881 to 1883 he served as deputy circuit clerk, and the two years following was regular clerk. In 1883 he was appointed circuit judge to fill the unexpired term of Rufus Folsom, and in 1884 was elected to the same office, when he held for four years. In 1888 he was appointed district collector of the first district, but resigned in 1890, removing to Ardmore, Chickasaw Nation. Judge Lewis is one-eighth Choctaw, a man of learning, and highly esteemed by all. His wife is a lady of culture and refinement. The subject of our sketch has been a member of the Masonic order for the past fourteen years. He is the owner of a fine farm, five hundred head of stock cattle, and has interest in three coal claims. ---------- Nalora