Forwarding as she is not a subscriber. If you can help, please Nancy directly at email address link below (from line in original message). Thanks, Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: <BIRDWATCHER101@aol.com> To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: 10 1/2 counties > Hi, > I am trying to find out the exact boundaries to the 10 1/2 counties federally > recognized as the Choctaw Nation. We are wanting to move from Oklahoma City > to some land and I would like to look within these boundaries. My Father has > his CDIB card, and I finally applied for mine. I want to become an active > member of the Choctaw Nation, and get my Father involved, we are both proud > of our heritage. He is very ill, and needs to be active to fight this > terrible illness which their is no cure as of yet. I have joined a support > group to learn more about this disorder and one thing for sure is he must > stay active. Sorry to lay all this on you, I have a bad habit of doing that. > We were looking at a small farm in Stratford, OK. But im not sure that is > with in the boundaries. Ive looked at our atlas and I cannot figure out the > west side boundaries, the only information I have found is west of Durant, > would it go as far as Sulphur, OK and Stratdford? > My husband I both have dreamed for a long time of moving to the country, I am > actively looking now, I don't want to wait until im too old to enjoy it, also > I was laid off because of company down sizing, and my husband is a truck > driver and is not happy with his current employment, so I think the time is > right to look for some land and employment. Gezz here I go again, rambling on. > My question do you know the boundaries especially the west side of the 10 1/2 > counties? > > Thank you, > Sincerely, > Nancy Witt >

Sherry, without being specific....about where do you live? I would love to see a dress up close and get some instruction on making one. I'm really, really wanting one and I'm slower than slow so it might take me a year to make it, but I'm willing to give it a shot. I now live in Arkanas, but I am in OK alot, family is there. Let me know, if it's not too distant maybe we can meet sometime. Even if we can't, it's wonderful of you to offer. Yokoke, Shelley

Jenny, I do not know where the Greens came from. I know that the Hunts were in Arkansas and then to Oklahoma. I believe they were in Georgia before that. I am not sure though. I do not even know Missouri Green's mothers name. The only place I have found her name is on the 1900 Indian Territory Census, (someone sent me that info), and on her son's SS application. His name was Rufus Herman Hunt. From there I have no clue. I hope you can help. Thank you, Teresa

That is very true. Have a great reunion. We will be having ours on Memorial Day at Lake Tenkiller's Fin and Feather Lodge. We usually have 100-200 members. Loads of fun. I can take the tornados I would be petrified in CA with an earthquake. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: <SandKatC@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] MAUPIN/RUSH SPRINGS > Hi Jo: > > I'm a Southern California native so am use to hot, but, not humid weather. I > hear those Rush Springs watermelons can't be beat. > > I was out in OK for a month last November. Am going again early this June > for the annual family reunion in Chix. I could live there, easily, if there > was no humidity or tornadoes. My roots are there so I always feel like I've > gone home when I visit. Can't have it all! LOL We've got our earthquakes, > now and then. > > Hope you get to get back to OK in the near future. You can't beat those > people for friendliness! > > Sandi :) > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

I am searching for the Hunt's and Green Families from Oklahoma and Arkansas. If anyone has any information about these names I would appreciate an email. My grandmother was Laura Mae Hunt, born in Blaine, Oklahoma. Her parents were George Hunt and Missouri Green. I know Missouri was supposed to be Choctaw, and it is believed that George was too. Is there any one searching these names? Thank you, Teresa Whitley

Hi Jo: I'm a Southern California native so am use to hot, but, not humid weather. I hear those Rush Springs watermelons can't be beat. I was out in OK for a month last November. Am going again early this June for the annual family reunion in Chix. I could live there, easily, if there was no humidity or tornadoes. My roots are there so I always feel like I've gone home when I visit. Can't have it all! LOL We've got our earthquakes, now and then. Hope you get to get back to OK in the near future. You can't beat those people for friendliness! Sandi :)

Wow--I don't know anybody who makes them to sell.! There may be a few ladies left in Philadelphia who do, but right off the top of my head I don't know any. They are quite a bit of work--taking several months to complete. It's all done by hand, you see, with a needle and thread as in the traditional way (you sew a prayer in every stitch). I would be glad to help you any way I could, but to make one to sell would be extremely expensive and take a long time. Also, it's really important that you make your own dresses, if you want to do things in the traditional way. I have seen some that were done in sort of the same pattern, but using bought trim instead of the traditional cut-applique work that I use, and sewed on with a sewing machine. As I said, I would be glad to meet with you and show you how it's done. If you can use a needle and thread, you can do it. sherry dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: defender1 <defender1@snet.net> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Choctaw Dress >Sherry I would love to buy one of the Indian dresses.Could someone let me >know a price.I am Choctaw and would love size 12. Thanks Vickie > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ >Lots of Native American Links there. >

Paul do you know if your book is available thru interlibrary loan? I'm interested in the Folsom text. Is it Perkins or Perkings in the book? Sue

Hi Jo: My GG Uncle Buck was a watermelon farmer in Rush Springs. I'd sure like to go to their annual watermelon festival but it's just too hot and humid there at that time of the year for me. I hear it's a lot of fun, though. Sandi :)

Hi Sandi, I used to go but it is toooooooo hot for me to go there anymore. We live in North Kansas City MO now but we are planning to move back to OKC next year. We still have family there and we want to be near them when we retire. I take it that you don't live there either. An ice cold watermelon sounds so good right now. But can't get the good ones up here and its too early. JO ----- Original Message ----- From: <SandKatC@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] MAUPIN/RUSH SPRINGS > Hi Jo: > > My GG Uncle Buck was a watermelon farmer in Rush Springs. I'd sure like to > go to their annual watermelon festival but it's just too hot and humid there > at that time of the year for me. I hear it's a lot of fun, though. > > Sandi :) > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. >

Nolora - Are there any Ratliff's on the chronicles of Oklahoma in the early 1900s. Vickie

At 05:58 PM 4/4/00 +0200, you wrote: >Nolora - Are there any Ratliff's on the chronicles of Oklahoma in the >early 1900s. Vickie RATLIFF, Edward B., VI: 288; XXVI: 186 RATLIFF, James Savage, XXIII: 52 RATLIFF, Sam XXVIII: 414 RATLIFF, Sam L. XXIII: 271 In later Chronicles: RATLIFF, Joe V. LIII: 566 I can tell you what this is, since I have this Chronicle here at home. It is in the "For the record" section, and lists some gifts given to the Oklahoma Historical Society. The gift given to the Museum was Square nails, straight edge razors from Early day Tishomingo, Oklahoma, given by Joe V. Ratliff of Tishomingo. Nalora

They have great watermelons too. We lived in Chichasha, Duncan, and Oklahoma City, graduated from Midwest City High School many years ago.) Born in Maysville, Garvin County. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: <SandKatC@aol.com> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] MAUPIN/RUSH SPRINGS > Hi Tammy: > > How sweet of you to offer to help! First, what's the terrain like around > Rush Springs? > > Second, does the Rush Springs library have a genealogy section where there > might be some articles on my Fitzpatrick family? Uncle Buck's wife was a > Choctaw. He was part Choctaw himself. > > Please e-mail me with any ideas you have. > > Thanks! > > Sandi :) > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm >

Sandi: It is a matter of putting the book in the copier and pushing "copy". Each sheet is 20cents there. I can usually get two pages to one sheet. I will look next time I am down there and see how many copies it will take. Nalora

Hi Sandi, The Rush Springs area has mainly rolling hills, some wooded areas (mostly in the valleys and mostly post oak trees). Further west 35 miles is Mt. Scott, and some other small mountains..or so they are called in Oklahoma. Rush's claim to fame is the spring that the town takes its name from. This spring flows constantly. Its location is in Jeff Davis park right in town. It was a watering place on the Old Chisholm Trail. My guess would be that while there is terrain to hide out in the main draw was the steady water source. I was not raised here though I live here now. But my dad was so I can ask him some more questions the next time I see him. Oh Yeah, Rush 's library doesn't have a genealogy section. But there is a good library in Lawton (to the west) and in Chickasha (to the north). Tammy SandKatC@aol.com wrote: > Hi Tammy: > > How sweet of you to offer to help! First, what's the terrain like around > Rush Springs? > > Second, does the Rush Springs library have a genealogy section where there > might be some articles on my Fitzpatrick family? Uncle Buck's wife was a > Choctaw. He was part Choctaw himself. > > Please e-mail me with any ideas you have. > > Thanks! > > Sandi :) > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm

Hi Paul: Thanks for taking the time to send that great article on the James gang. It was well written and one could visualize how the people had to walk around on eggs, so to speak, when that gang was around. If I can ever be of help, give a holler! Sandi :)

Hi Sandy, This is from the book "A Family History of Jeremia Gardner"., by Leroy Gardner l970 Reprinted and appended by Marie Gardner Wong l995. Many Indians made their homes nearby -- Turnbull, Folsom, Perkings, Cochnauer, Freeny, Ward, James, Crain and many others. They built on this site a church, a school, a home for the missionary, a home for mission teachers and boarding students, a store nearby and an enclosure for the horses of the Post. This store was owned and operated by my grandfather (step), Levi Crain. My father pointed out to me the place where Levi Crain was killed and where he had his store at Mt. Pleasant. Frank and Jesse James and Cole Younger were related to my father. Mamma told me about times when Frank James and Cole Younger would ride up to their house to stay all night, and on one occasion, Frank came alone and held a meeting under an arbor for a week or two. She said after he came home at night after church, he would spend the rest of the night looking for money they had hid years before nearby. Our old home was near a spring on the main freight road from Paris, Texas to Caddo, Oklahoma and was a camping place for all who wanted to use it. I can remember when there would sometimes be several wagons with families camped there. Some would only stay overnight, but some would stay several nights to rest and to wash their clothes in the good soft spring water. I greatly enjoyed those times because there was always lots of children that I could play with. My father looked for the James boys' money in many places throughout all of his later years but never had any luck. I think Papa's mother was a sister to Frank James, his mother was Harriett James, born in l845. Frank was born in l843. Little Jimmon James was born about l848. He married Judge Gardner's oldest sister and Jefferson Gardner married Lucy James, grandma's sister. Also Chief Ben Smallwood married another sister, Abbie James. Another sister, Kizzie James married Dul Sanders, and later married Ben Batiese and had six children by him: Harriett, Annie, Frank, Lula, Sissie Bell and Turner. Harriett was Ben Risner's mother. Ben is now Sheriff of our county, so Ben Risner's grandmother was a sister to my grandmother. One of her daughters told me that the James boys always came to their house and would stay like they did at our place. She said she always hated for them to come on account of having to whisper and tiptoe around and never mention their right names while they were there. She is still living and is in good health at 88 years of age. Walton James was my father's uncle and Albert Matoy his cousin, and I remember the three of them were always on a hot lead to some of the James boys' hidden loot. Sometimes they would be gone a month at a time, but if they ever had any luck, I never saw any of it. Page 14 I can recall many things like this about happenings here. Once when a white man stole one of Brother Lloyd's horses, Frank James and Cole Younger heard of it and they went after the white man, caught and killed him, and returned the horse to Brother Lloyd. Many tears were shed and many heartaches borne here, but also many pleasantries and much enjoyment and lots of old Camp Meetings. Brother Lloyd could preach in both Choctaw and English, and many sermons have I heard like this with first the English and then the interpreter would take over, women and girls on the one side of the church, men and boys on the other. I only wish I could live it over again. This Church is the oldest organized church now in use in all the county--120 years old. Bennington Church was formerly Mt. Pleasant. Paul

Hi Tammy: How sweet of you to offer to help! First, what's the terrain like around Rush Springs? Second, does the Rush Springs library have a genealogy section where there might be some articles on my Fitzpatrick family? Uncle Buck's wife was a Choctaw. He was part Choctaw himself. Please e-mail me with any ideas you have. Thanks! Sandi :)

Hi Sandi, I live in Rush Springs. Maybe I can help. Tammy SandKatC@aol.com wrote: > Hi Mandy: > > Thanks for sharing. I'm really interested in the Jesse James gang, not only > because two of my relatives, John Rice Maupin and his brother, William, ran > with them, but they use to stop in Rush Springs at my GG uncle's farm. He > was Silas Edward "Buck" Fitzpatrick. One of his descendants has an account > of those visits he is going to snail mail to me. > > Since my G granddaddy was Uncle Buck's brother and married a Maupin who was a > second cousin once removed of John Rice and William Maupin, I'm wondering if > that's one reason the James gang picked the farm to stop off by. It would > only seem normal that the Maupins who went to Indian Territory would know all > others in their family. > > So, that leaves me to wonder if the visits from that gang were friendly or > hostile? I've yet to go to Rush Springs where that section of the family > still lives and want to this coming June while in OK. Until then I'm left to > wonder if that area was just one of the safer places for gangs to stop back > then. From what I've read they liked places where there were hills, or, high > places for their lookouts to watch out for lawmen. > > A Maupin cousin from John Rice Maupin's section sent me a long article on the > Colbert Ferry as John was involved in that area and time and married Helen > Eastman, in the Colbert family. But, a lot of the various sections of my > family married into the Colbert family. They must have been a huge family > out there! > > I've read two books on Indian Territory dealing with hanging Judge Isaac > Charles Parker and I had no idea just how bad it was out there in those > times. It's a wonder our old ones survived! > > Sandi :) > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there.

I have ordered the microfiche with all the Smiths That were Intervewed in the Indian Pioneer Papers..it should be in soon..I just ordered Wed., hopefully they will be in this week. There are some interviews at this website just click on the index and find the volume that your surname is in and see if it is posted..great site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm