Does anyone have the cole last name in their search? i would love to hear from anyone as per this is the first time i have ever heard the cole name associated with choctaw (you know the old line...my granparents told me....)i was told that was a choctaw name but this robert cole mentioned on this list is the first that i have heard. I am looking for Sarrah Malindy Cole (Wren) She was born March 2, 1874 in Chusman AR Died March 1, 1954 in Henrietta, OK. Sincerely Melisa

Hi, A little off the subject but could someone direct me to some Choctaw/Native American resources for Missouri. I am beginning to think my Willis's moved to OK with my Missouri Harrington line. Tammy

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=298021847 (Choctaw Allotment Abstract) Nalora

Hi Mandy: I'll be happy to share what my cousin sends on the James gang stopping by Uncle Buck Fitzpatrick's farm. I'll have to e-mail him again soon as a reminder. We do tend to be impatient when we are waiting for genealogy information, no? Best, Sandi :)

I received this several years ago from Mr. Joe Hock: An ancient story among the Choctaws tells of a band of Indians known as Shak-chi-homas, being led by Chief Cha-La-homa (Red Fox). They were known to have campsites down along the Mississippi in Western Tennesse, while the Choctaws and Chickasaws ranged to the south of the area. The Shak-Chi-homas considered the Choctaws and Chickasaws their enemies and on occasion had killed members of hunting parties and trappers of their villages. These killings eventually caused the massacre of the Shak-Chi-homa, and as a seperate tribe they no longer existed. Among the captives was a lovely girl named Shomaka. She was adopted by the Choctaws and later married a white man, whose name was Cole. They became the parents of Robert Cole, who became a most respected member of the tribe and served as District Chief from 1824 to 1826. Shomaka's daughter married District Chief Cornelieus McCurtain. Cornelious and Mahayia had seven children; Jackson Frazier, Isabelle, Elsie, David, Edmond, Green and Robert. Three of whick became Tribal Chiefs; Jackson, Edmond and Green. And this is from Sandra Riley: # 148 Shumaka, represented to be more than a 120 years old (this deposition taken in 1838) the last of the Chocchuma race, unable to attend. Joshua T. Brown, counsel. Coleman Cole, a 3/4 blood Choctaw, a witness for claimant, being sworn, deposes as follows; That he is acquainted with Shumaka; she is his grandmother; has known her as long as he can recollect; saw her about 20 days since; she was then at Puttacacowa Creek, where she lived on (witnesses land); she is very old; she is represented to be 120 eyars old; she is unable to travel any distance. At the time of the treaty she lived on Bittupinbogue about 18 or 19 miles from its mouth. She had then no child living with her; she was visited by her grand-children at that time, but no person lived there. She lived there at and before the treaty, and remained there until the land she lived on was sold by the government at the first land sales at Chocchuma, after which a white man required her to move. Before this she had a house and field, in which she lived. He (witness) assisted her in making a crop. he has no recollection of her husband his frandfather. He has heard her say she belonged to the Chocchuma tribe; that she was very young at the massacre of her tribe by the Chickasaws and others; she made her husband escape, and got among the Choctaws, who adopted her as a Choctaw. She is the mother of Robert Cole, the witness's father. The Chocchumas lived in a village, and were surprised by the Chickasaws at break of day, and were all murdered with few exceptions; they were killing them all day. About 200 excaped among the Choctaws. These were merged in the Choctaw tribe, and the Chocchuma name abandoned. Her faculties are in great degree unimipaired; she can see to work with her naked eyes, hears well etc. She belonged to Lewis Perry's company at the date put on Nelson's list, at the council at Nelson's by her request, as he heard Nelson say at the time he was taking other names. Nelson told him he was going to put her name down, and he saw him immediately write. Hope this helps Jami Hamilton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jami

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P, The following is a letter by Mr. Ainslie to his mother dated December 30,1871. Bennington was formerly Mt. Pleasant which was, however, a few miles north and was for many years Mr. Copeland's station. Mt. Pleasant was near Boggy bottom and was not considered healthy--one reason for the change. Bennington was also more directly the center of the field. It was built in 1853 and first occupied by Rev. A.G. Lansing. My first visit to it was in company with Brother Lansing and our wives. BENNINGTON CHURCH Bennington Church was organized on October1, 1848, by Rev. Cyrus Kingsbury and Rev. J.C. Strong, who were missionaries to the Choctaws in Mississippi and came to the Choctaw Nation with them on the Trail of Tears. The first elders were John Folsom, William Scott, and Makinta, all transsferred from the Mayhew Church. The Mt. Pleasant Church and Mission was already established and David Perkins was transferred as another elder from there. Uncle William Gardner was ordained an elder in 1877 and served until his death in 1891. Green Gardner (my grandfather), Uncle William's brother, also served as elder as did R.C. Gardner, Sr.; also W.A.Gardner served until his death, then R.C. Gardner, Jr. was ordained and is still an elder. Walter Gardner was an elder until his death in 1968. Now his son is serving in his place. I believe there was only one time since the church was organized when a Gardner was not an elder. This is just one of the many ties that bind us to the Old Church. None of us will ever forget the fine work of Rev. Oscar Gardner, who came out of this Church; also Richard Harrison, who is now serving as Pastor of the First Presbyterian Church at Vivian, Louisiana. Paul

The Bryan County Heritage Ass'n in Calera his the old records of the Old Bennington Church. Tammy

Is Beautiful Indian Maiden Sho-Ma-Ka of the extinct Shak-Chi-Homas Indian Tribe the same person as the grandmother to Coleman Cole named Shumaka of the Shvkchi Homa Tribe. (I would love to hear the story of Sho-Ma-Ka's life) Tammy "Amy (Mahayia) McCurtain Born in Miss. Married Choctaw Chief Cornelius McCurtain and came over Trail of Tears. Mother of 6 and 3 were chiefs; Jack, Edmond and Green McCurtain. Recorded in Archives of Okla. Hist. Soc. and referred to as McCurtain Dynasty for they led their people for over 50 yrs. Mahayia (On and On) was the Granddaughter of the Historical and Beautiful Indian Maiden Sho-Ma-Ka, of the extinct Shak-Chi-Homas Indian Tribe. Sho-Ma-Ka's life is one of the most colorful stories in the annals of the Five Civilized Tribes. This is recorded in the National Archives. Donated by Grandson of Green McCurtain"

--part1_55.4444dc4.261e23a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_55.4444dc4.261e23a7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Taloah@aol.com From: Taloah@aol.com Full-name: Taloah Message-ID: <c.36c3873.261e1bca@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:56:42 EDT Subject: Re: Gardner, Matoy, James, turnbull, Freeny, etc. To: Rlang90547@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I have reread the posting from Paul. I must be terribly mistaken, because I believe Mt. Pleasant burned. It seems I remember transfers (in the Mt. Pleasant minutes) from the Church at Mt. Pleasant or vice versa to Bennington. Mt. Pleasant was established in 1844 according to the minutes. My gggrandfather Old George Turnbull joined that congregation from somewhere in 1845. Turner B. Turnbull Sr. and Jerico Perkins and David Perkins and wife were already there as founders I think. What was the name of the church at Mahew? This is the first I have heard that Bennington and Mt. Pleasant are one in the same, but maybe so. Frankie James Taloah@aol.com --part1_55.4444dc4.261e23a7_boundary--

Hi List, For those of you that haven't seen it, this site http://www.livgenmi.com/1895.htm has a good map of Oklahoma Territory and the Indian Nations in 1895. It shows the boundaries very clearly. It's kind of a large file and takes a few minutes to download but it is worth the wait. C. J.

Paul, That was great! I love reading and hearing old (true) stories about those days. ..Mandy On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:03:22 EDT PELR@aol.com writes: > Hi Sandy, This is from the book "A Family History of Jeremia > Gardner"., by > Leroy Gardner l970 Reprinted and appended by Marie Gardner Wong > l995. > > Many Indians made their homes nearby -- Turnbull, Folsom, > Perkings, > Cochnauer, Freeny, Ward, James, Crain and many others. They built > on this > site a church, a school, a home for the missionary, a home for > mission > teachers and boarding students, a store nearby and an enclosure for > the > horses of the Post. This store was owned and operated by my > grandfather > (step), Levi Crain. > > My father pointed out to me the place where Levi Crain was > killed and > where he had his store at Mt. Pleasant. > > Frank and Jesse James and Cole Younger were related to my > father. Mamma > told me about times when Frank James and Cole Younger would ride up > to their > house to stay all night, and on one occasion, Frank came alone and > held a > meeting under an arbor for a week or two. She said after he came > home at > night after church, he would spend the rest of the night looking for > money > they had hid years before nearby. > > Our old home was near a spring on the main freight road from > Paris, > Texas to Caddo, Oklahoma and was a camping place for all who wanted > to use > it. I can remember when there would sometimes be several wagons > with > families camped there. Some would only stay overnight, but some > would stay > several nights to rest and to wash their clothes in the good soft > spring > water. I greatly enjoyed those times because there was always lots > of > children that I could play with. > > My father looked for the James boys' money in many places > throughout all > of his later years but never had any luck. > > I think Papa's mother was a sister to Frank James, his mother > was > Harriett James, born in l845. Frank was born in l843. Little > Jimmon James > was born about l848. He married Judge Gardner's oldest sister and > Jefferson > Gardner married Lucy James, grandma's sister. Also Chief Ben > Smallwood > married another sister, Abbie James. Another sister, Kizzie James > married > Dul Sanders, and later married Ben Batiese and had six children by > him: > Harriett, Annie, Frank, Lula, Sissie Bell and Turner. Harriett was > Ben > Risner's mother. Ben is now Sheriff of our county, so Ben Risner's > grandmother was a sister to my grandmother. > > One of her daughters told me that the James boys always came to > their > house and would stay like they did at our place. She said she always > hated > for them to come on account of having to whisper and tiptoe around > and never > mention their right names while they were there. She is still > living and is > in good health at 88 years of age. > > Walton James was my father's uncle and Albert Matoy his cousin, > and I > remember the three of them were always on a hot lead to some of the > James > boys' hidden loot. Sometimes they would be gone a month at a time, > but if > they ever had any luck, I never saw any of it. Page 14 > > I can recall many things like this about happenings here. Once > when a > white man stole one of Brother Lloyd's horses, Frank James and Cole > Younger > heard of it and they went after the white man, caught and killed > him, and > returned the horse to Brother Lloyd. > > Many tears were shed and many heartaches borne here, but also > many > pleasantries and much enjoyment and lots of old Camp Meetings. > > Brother Lloyd could preach in both Choctaw and English, and > many sermons > have I heard like this with first the English and then the > interpreter would > take over, women and girls on the one side of the church, men and > boys on the > other. I only wish I could live it over again. > > This Church is the oldest organized church now in use in all the > > county--120 years old. Bennington Church was formerly Mt. > Pleasant. > > > > Paul > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html >

Sandi, Thank you for letting me know that information. I think that it's very interesting. But, I am glad that I wasn't born back in those days. When I was younger, I used to tell my mother that I wished that I was. But, she would tell me that I should be glad that I wasn't. She said that life was rough back in the old days....none of the necessities that we have now. Whew....it was pretty rough. Thanks again. And, in the future, like when you get the information from you cousin, you could send it to this address: doctmous@yahoo.com. OK? I would really appreciate it. Thank You, Mandy On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:42:44 EDT SandKatC@aol.com writes: > Hi Mandy: > > Thanks for sharing. I'm really interested in the Jesse James gang, > not only > because two of my relatives, John Rice Maupin and his brother, > William, ran > with them, but they use to stop in Rush Springs at my GG uncle's > farm. He > was Silas Edward "Buck" Fitzpatrick. One of his descendants has an > account > of those visits he is going to snail mail to me. > > Since my G granddaddy was Uncle Buck's brother and married a Maupin > who was a > second cousin once removed of John Rice and William Maupin, I'm > wondering if > that's one reason the James gang picked the farm to stop off by. It > would > only seem normal that the Maupins who went to Indian Territory would > know all > others in their family. > > So, that leaves me to wonder if the visits from that gang were > friendly or > hostile? I've yet to go to Rush Springs where that section of the > family > still lives and want to this coming June while in OK. Until then > I'm left to > wonder if that area was just one of the safer places for gangs to > stop back > then. From what I've read they liked places where there were hills, > or, high > places for their lookouts to watch out for lawmen. > > A Maupin cousin from John Rice Maupin's section sent me a long > article on the > Colbert Ferry as John was involved in that area and time and married > Helen > Eastman, in the Colbert family. But, a lot of the various sections > of my > family married into the Colbert family. They must have been a huge > family > out there! > > I've read two books on Indian Territory dealing with hanging Judge > Isaac > Charles Parker and I had no idea just how bad it was out there in > those > times. It's a wonder our old ones survived! > > Sandi :) > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. >

That is educational information. I wonder if the public schools in Oklahoma teach that, or not. Thank You, Mandy On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:49:32 EDT PELR@aol.com writes: > Sharon In a book put out by the McCurtain County Historical Society, > they > say that Green never lived in what is now McCurtain County, but the > county is > named after him Paul > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com >

Thank You for you reply. ......Mandy On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:42:13 -0000 "Sharon DeLoache" <deloache@intellex.com> writes: > I don't know that it was named after Green McCurtain, but I feel sure > that > it (the County) was named for the McCurtain family. There were so > many > prominent and important McCurtains: Cornelius, Jackson, and Edmund > in > addition to Green. > -----Original Message----- > From: ohyeahright@juno.com <ohyeahright@juno.com> > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Shak-Chi-Homas Tribe? > > > >Sharon, > >Was McCurtain County named after Green McCurtain? > >If it was, I will feel awfully silly. > >This is some interesting information. > >I never learned this in school. > >Has anyone ever been to the Lukfata Indian School for Girls? > >It is near Broken Bow, OK. > >I have never been there; but, I have been seeing the sign since I > was a > >little girl. > >.....Mandy > > > >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:57:36 -0000 "Sharon DeLoache" > ><deloache@intellex.com> writes: > >> Sometime ago, my husband and I discovered the San Bois Cemetery > >> outside of Kinta, Oklahoma. In that cemetery, surrounded by an > iron > >> fence, is the grave of Green McCurtain. Immediately outside the > >> fence is a tomb stone and a concrete slab on which these words > are > >> engraved: > >> > >> "Amy (Mahayia) McCurtain > >> Born in Miss. Married Choctaw Chief Cornelius McCurtain and came > >> over Trail of Tears. > >> Mother of 6 and 3 were chiefs; Jack, Edmond and Green McCurtain. > >> Recorded in Archives of Okla. Hist. Soc. and referred to as > >> McCurtain Dynasty for they led their people for over 50 yrs. > >> Mahayia (On and On) was the Granddaughter of the Historical and > >> Beautiful Indian Maiden Sho-Ma-Ka, of the extinct Shak-Chi-Homas > >> Indian Tribe. Sho-Ma-Ka's life is one of the most colorful > stories > >> in the annals of the Five Civilized Tribes. This is recorded in > the > >> National Archives. > >> > >> Donated by Grandson of Green McCurtain" > >> > >> > >> None of these folks are in my family, but I am fascinated by the > >> "Historical and Beautiful Indian Maiden" and the "extinct > >> Shak-Chi-Homas tribe". Does anyone know anything about any of > this? > >> > >> > >> ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >> Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list > >> possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, > CA > >> 93222 > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >> > > > > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > >Lots of Native American Links there. > > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list > possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA > 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

From: Jeannabee To: Rlang90547 Hi , Ihave a friend w/a Choctaw problem. Have you ever heard of a Dixon or a John Cooper as a Choctaw chief? Thanks Jeannie :) not a list member answer to her pls, rusty

Of course Stratford and Sulphur were part of the Chickasaw Nation, not the Choctaw Nation. Stratford is a wonderful farm community, famous for its peaches. Sulphur is the home of one of the most beautiful parks in the United States. Once called "Platt National Park" but now the Chickasaw National Wildlife Refuge. (By the way, I have never been to the Rush Springs Watermelon Festival, nor the Watonga Cheese Festival. I have been to the Azalea Festival in Muskogee, however.) What I would really like to go to is the Pottawatomi Indian Pow Wow, but it is every July, and it is surely hot out there then. Nalora

At 02:40 PM 4/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Good Luck with your search, I can't help you with boundries but I can keep >you in my prayers. I saw the message, but did not answer it. The way I found them was to check out a book called: Historical Atlas of Oklahoma. Believe it is still in publication, and I think it is from the same person who did "Ghost Towns of Oklahoma" John W Morris. Sure it would be available through interlibrary loan if you can't find one locally. Nalora

Good Luck with your search, I can't help you with boundries but I can keep you in my prayers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski <hopkinsj@ida.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: 10 1/2 counties > Forwarding as she is not a subscriber. If you can help, please Nancy > directly at email address link below (from line in original message). > Thanks, Jacque > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BIRDWATCHER101@aol.com> > To: <hopkinsj@ida.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:56 AM > Subject: 10 1/2 counties > > > > Hi, > > I am trying to find out the exact boundaries to the 10 1/2 counties > federally > > recognized as the Choctaw Nation. We are wanting to move from Oklahoma > City > > to some land and I would like to look within these boundaries. My Father > has > > his CDIB card, and I finally applied for mine. I want to become an active > > member of the Choctaw Nation, and get my Father involved, we are both > proud > > of our heritage. He is very ill, and needs to be active to fight this > > terrible illness which their is no cure as of yet. I have joined a support > > group to learn more about this disorder and one thing for sure is he must > > stay active. Sorry to lay all this on you, I have a bad habit of doing > that. > > We were looking at a small farm in Stratford, OK. But im not sure that is > > with in the boundaries. Ive looked at our atlas and I cannot figure out > the > > west side boundaries, the only information I have found is west of Durant, > > would it go as far as Sulphur, OK and Stratdford? > > My husband I both have dreamed for a long time of moving to the country, I > am > > actively looking now, I don't want to wait until im too old to enjoy it, > also > > I was laid off because of company down sizing, and my husband is a truck > > driver and is not happy with his current employment, so I think the time > is > > right to look for some land and employment. Gezz here I go again, rambling > on. > > My question do you know the boundaries especially the west side of the 10 > 1/2 > > counties? > > > > Thank you, > > Sincerely, > > Nancy Witt > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. >

Forwarding as he is not a subscriber. If you can help, please email Billy directly. Thanks Jacque ----- Original Message ----- From: Billy Page To: hopkinsj@ida.net Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: ervin family tree i am trying to find more information on my family. my greatgrandmothers name was myrtle page. her dads name was christopher columbus ervin. i think his fathers name was charles ervin who was married to sally daughter of little chief who foought in the war of 1812. i am trying to find out information on my family. theres supposed to be an article on christopher columbus ervin in the chronicles of oklahoma, necropolis section. if you have a copy of that i'd appreciate it. my name is Billy J. Page, PO BOX 820, VIAN,ok. 74962. e-mail is bpage3@hotmail.com I'd appreciate any help.