I'm just trying to trace my gggrandmother - great grandmother - Hannah Trahern DeLoach great great grandmother - Rebecca Trahern who had married a William Trahern I was told Rebecca's maiden name was Long but I cannot verify it. I was also told my ggrandmother had an aunt named Hannah. Right now I'm trying to find out who Samuel Long, Jr.'s kids were/ It's like a big puxxle that has 1,000 small pieces - LOL Thank you for the information! Carol

Hannah Long married Anthony Turnbull, son of William Turnbull Sr., Brother of George and Sons of John Turnbull, Scotsman trader to the Choctaw and Chickasaw. Hannah and Anthony had Miss Felicity Turnbull and Sam Turnbull, who died young, but I think he was most likely married and had a child before he died. This maybe more information than you wished for. Frankie James

Sue, I have to jump in on this... We have Ida Pitchlynn who married Alexander Sorrells, son of William Chaplin Sorrells and Nancy Margaret Douglass. Alexander born 1871, but I don't have a place on him. The Sorrells and Douglass families lived in MO, Sebastian Co., AR, and LeFlore Co., OK (and Idaho, OR and CA, but not too long out west, I don't think). I had that Ida was 1/2 or 3/4 Indian, but only assumed Choctaw. Might Ida fit into your family? Thanks! Kay -----Original Message----- From: SUELP@aol.com [mailto:SUELP@aol.com] Sent: 08. aprill 2000. a. 03:21 PL To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES Slimey- What do you need on Peter P. Pitchlynn? He is in my line and I have a lot of info on him and his family. Sue ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html

Slimey- What do you need on Peter P. Pitchlynn? He is in my line and I have a lot of info on him and his family. Sue

Tammy, Thanks for the link on Peter Pitchlynn, he's one of my favorites. Suggested reading My life among the Choctaws by Henry Clay Benson. Doug Tammy Jones wrote: > A Man Between Nations: The Diary of Peter Pitchlynn > > http://www.missourireview.org/features/pitchlynn.html > > Tammy Dice Jones > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: O. G. <SLIMEY_1@webtv.net> > To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES > > > > > Nalora is there any information in your books on a Peter Pitchlynn? And > > do you know if there was a Peter Pitchlynn that was the Chief of the > > Choctaw nation at one time? Would you and anyone else on the list that > > have any information on this please share with me what you have on > > this.. > > > > Peace and Love, > > Slimey > > > > > > =========original message=============== > > > > Message > > From: vashti@theshop.net (Nalora) > > Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 3:18pm > > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES Reply to: > > CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > > > > In "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" page 3, Angie Debo states > > there is a Legend related by Peter Pitchlynn that the Choctaw people > > came from under the ocean, (apparently the Gulf of Mexico) and were > > guided north by their sacred pole. Ms. Debo cites Cushman, pg 31-32 as > > her source for this creation myth. > > > > Nalora > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > > Lots of Native American Links there. > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join > Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com

Slimey Peter P. Pitchlynn served as chief of the Choctaws from 1864-1866 he moved to Eagletown in 1834 and opened a large plantation on the east bank of the Mountain Fork River near the home of his brother -in -law Calvin Howell . There is a picture on page 3 in the book 'McCurtain County A Pictorial History by the McCurtain Co. Historial Society Paul

A Man Between Nations: The Diary of Peter Pitchlynn http://www.missourireview.org/features/pitchlynn.html Tammy Dice Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: O. G. <SLIMEY_1@webtv.net> To: <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES > > Nalora is there any information in your books on a Peter Pitchlynn? And > do you know if there was a Peter Pitchlynn that was the Chief of the > Choctaw nation at one time? Would you and anyone else on the list that > have any information on this please share with me what you have on > this.. > > Peace and Love, > Slimey > > > =========original message=============== > > Message > From: vashti@theshop.net (Nalora) > Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 3:18pm > To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES Reply to: > CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com > > In "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" page 3, Angie Debo states > there is a Legend related by Peter Pitchlynn that the Choctaw people > came from under the ocean, (apparently the Gulf of Mexico) and were > guided north by their sacred pole. Ms. Debo cites Cushman, pg 31-32 as > her source for this creation myth. > > Nalora > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > Lots of Native American Links there. > > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Please support wonderful & FREE genealogy on the internet. Join Rootsweb.com today! http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Thank you Shari!

Nalora is there any information in your books on a Peter Pitchlynn? And do you know if there was a Peter Pitchlynn that was the Chief of the Choctaw nation at one time? Would you and anyone else on the list that have any information on this please share with me what you have on this.. Peace and Love, Slimey =========original message===============    Message From: vashti@theshop.net (Nalora) Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 3:18pm To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] CREATION STORIES Reply to: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com In "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" page 3, Angie Debo states there is a Legend related by Peter Pitchlynn that the Choctaw people came from under the ocean, (apparently the Gulf of Mexico) and were guided north by their sacred pole. Ms. Debo cites Cushman, pg 31-32 as her source for this creation myth. Nalora ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== Check out the Oklahoma's main web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ Lots of Native American Links there.

In a message dated 4/7/2000 9:25:18 AM Central Daylight Time, timothy.mccratic@mciworld.com writes: << Jami, May I pass this to a Cole cousin if mine? Lisa McCratic >> Sure Lisa! Jami

I show that Felicity LeFlore and Sam Long Sr. had a daughter named Hannah Long b. 1813 d. 1887 m. Anthony Turnbill. This is the only child that I have for them at this time. Shari >From: AhSweet1@aol.com >Reply-To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] LeFlore >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:30:49 EDT > > Since it appears people have knowledges of the LeFlores - maybe >someone >can verify something for me: Felicity LeFlore(daughter of Louis LeFlore) >married Samuel Long. Does anyone know their children's names? I have been >told they did have a daughter Rebecca, then I've been told they did not. A >cousin of mine said he saw it on 18?? census in Mississippi. I'm just >wanting to verify information given to me before I 'put it all together'. >I >know my great grandmother was Hannah Trahern(married William Trahern) so I >am >trying to verify her parentage. Sorry this is so long. > Carol > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Looking for your Native American Ancestors in >Pushmataha County, Oklahoma? >Have a look -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

The Snakes were primarily a political party made up of the most Traditional Choctaws, It was fashioned from the Snakes, or Crazy Snakes of the Creek Nation. Doug EJJ30@aol.com wrote: > Rlang, do you know anything about the Snake Choctaw Indian. My grandfather , > James Sampson Welch was said to be a member, and also an officer. My dad > always told me they were a mean tribe. > Eula > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm

The first Choctaw Agency was there. It was near the landing at Ft. Smith and Pleasant/Pheasant Bluff. About a coupla miles from old Ft. Coffee. Doug AhSweet1@aol.com wrote: > Question.........so many came from Mississippi in 1800's to Skullyville, > Oklahoma (including my G grandmother) exactly what kind of place was > Skullyville? > > ==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== > Pushmataha County, Oklahoma -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpushma/PushCo.html

Question.........so many came from Mississippi in 1800's to Skullyville, Oklahoma (including my G grandmother) exactly what kind of place was Skullyville?

Does anyone have any information on the name Ho-yub-by or Ho-yub-bee? My 3rd great grandfather is listed on the Chickasaw roll under that name and I have no other information since the family changed the name after that. Thanks, Brandy Richardson, TX.

The tubee/tubby ending on Choctaw/Chickasaw names was originally an honor name. It was awarded after killing an enemy in battle, and mean's "man-killer". It's common among both Choctaw and Chickasaw because the language is almot identical since we were originally one people. dustyc@microgear.net -----Original Message----- From: Marian Watson <marianwatson@hotmail.com> To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com <CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: [CHOCTAW] Tubbee >Is the Tubbee, a last name or a clan? I believe this is a Chickasaw name. How can we tell which? I know they were in the same area in Mississippi, upper eastern part of the state. Marian in Texas > > >==== CHOCTAW Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb and this Choctaw list possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Rlang, do you know anything about the Snake Choctaw Indian. My grandfather , James Sampson Welch was said to be a member, and also an officer. My dad always told me they were a mean tribe. Eula

Is the Tubbee, a last name or a clan? I believe this is a Chickasaw name. How can we tell which? I know they were in the same area in Mississippi, upper eastern part of the state. Marian in Texas

Since it appears people have knowledges of the LeFlores - maybe someone can verify something for me: Felicity LeFlore(daughter of Louis LeFlore) married Samuel Long. Does anyone know their children's names? I have been told they did have a daughter Rebecca, then I've been told they did not. A cousin of mine said he saw it on 18?? census in Mississippi. I'm just wanting to verify information given to me before I 'put it all together'. I know my great grandmother was Hannah Trahern(married William Trahern) so I am trying to verify her parentage. Sorry this is so long. Carol

In "The Rise and Fall of the Choctaw Republic" page 3, Angie Debo states there is a Legend related by Peter Pitchlynn that the Choctaw people came from under the ocean, (apparently the Gulf of Mexico) and were guided north by their sacred pole. Ms. Debo cites Cushman, pg 31-32 as her source for this creation myth. Nalora