i am searching for two of my grandmothers families Margarate Bird who married James Frank Campbell Louisa Burgess who married Tobias Woodard/Woodward summersun992000@yahoo.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

If you read what I stated, John and Mary Ann Harper, who were full blooded Choctaw and spoke fluent Choctaw were denied scrip by the corrupt Choctaw agent William Ward. They could not remove because Ward denied them scrip. This was proven in a Congressional investigation of Ward but they did not allow the people any recompense. Also, some of the family were accepted, although they are not my direct ancestors. Family of John Harper's sister were accepted. Jennifer Mieirs <shewhoseeks@ipa.net> wrote: Basically, the problem is they didn't remove, nor did they remain in Mississippi, they did not retain their cultural heritage, nor ties to the Choctaw people. Of the one's who did remain, only those who were 1/2 or more were recognized by the Federal government, because those who weren't became white citizens. The Cherokee refused to allow thousands of applicant's as member's because they didn't remove. Your preaching to the choir. Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wilson > To: > Date: 10/2/2006 1:34:00 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Barnes MCR 6544 > > See how they basically call these people liars?John Harper was denied by William Ward, who was proven to be corrupt. They then had to live as white as they were forced to live around white people who were openly hostile to Indians. The government goes on a program to eliminate Native languages and they deny John Harper's descendants for these very reasons. Isn't it interesting though that all of these people, living in different parts of the country, had the same story about their ancestors? > > Oklafalaya@aol.com wrote: MCR 6544 > George Barnes age 27, PO Creeks, Ky. He is a Whie man. His wife is part > Choctaw, she claims 1/8. > Wife's father Henry C. Ledford, who is living. Her mother is Millie Ann, > see case 6539. His minor childre are Clay P. Barnes age 7 weeks.Wife's Choctaw > ancestor was her great great grandfather John Harper. John Harper was > claimed to be full blood. > He says his wife does not speak Choctaw, she is dark and has black eyes and > hair. > > MCR 6539 > Millie Ann Ledford > Age 48, PO Mount Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She lived in KY all her > life. Her parents are both dead. Her father Henry Evans, her mother Lucinda. > Her husband is H. C. Ledford a White man. Her ancestor John Harper, great > grand father had moved from MS to KY. She always heard that. She does not > know if he registered with Col. Ward. > Asked if she knew Jasper Chambers, he lives in TX.. Jasper Hanks case MCR > 5670 he claims through the same common ancestor and also the case of > Christopher C. Hanks 6508. > This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being > descended from White parentage; her hair is somewhat gray-- formerly black; eyes > are black; complexion medium dark; doesn not speak or understand the Choctaw > language and has no knowledge of any compliance on the part of her Choctaw > ancestor with the provisions of the 14th article of the treaty of 1830. Jan > 1903 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Halito, Yes you have the right files. There are many for our family and many that have considerable evidence in them. I think it is interesting that although these people lived in different parts of the country, they all had the same story. I believe that alone is confirmation. Also, there are some members of our family who did make it on to the rolls. Now how does that make sense. Furthermore, how they denied them based on appearance. If you have a full blooded Indian and a full blooded Caucasian, half of the offspring will have the appearance of being Caucasian and half will have the appearance of being Indian, with both having some of the characteristics of the other. In my mother's family, half of her siblings appear Scot-Irish and half appear Indian. John Harper and his wife Mary Ann Harper were full blooded Choctaw. They and their children spoke fluent Choctaw. In other files there is considerable evidence of that. Also, on the Ky. tax lists all of their property, including livestock, was recorded in Mary Ann's name. This is Choctaw tradition. The Europeans and then the Euro-Americans would criticize the Indians for allowing their wives to own property. Now why would John and Mary Ann Harper do this unless it was very important to them? That alone is very strong evidence that they were Choctaw. Also, John Harper was denied scrip by William Ward, the corrupt Choctaw agent. There was a congressional investigation of him and they found considerable wrongdoing by him. However, they did not give the victims any remedy or recompense for what he had done. I believe the Dawes Commission just followed through and continued the insult just so they could be consistent. Also, they mention that they did not speak Choctaw. Well, after John Harper was denied, he had to go to Mississippi and sell his land in the Choctaw Nation. I have the records. He was of very advanced age at the time, so all of this traveling must have been very difficult. I believe he did this, because he couldn't go to Oklahoma because he was denied and he couldn't keep the land because it was being given to whites. Now this is a period of very intense Indian hatred. I believe it would be smart to have your family live as white in such circumstances. Also, the government was trying to eliminate the use of Indian languages. So you're cut off from your people, forced to live in a hostile environment, i.e. around people who hate you, the government doesn't want you to use your language and they deny you for these very same reasons. I especially liked the part where they said the person had black hair, black eyes and dark complexion but had the appearance of a white person. lol. Imafo Oklafalaya@aol.com wrote: MCR 6544 George Barnes age 27, PO Creeks, Ky. He is a Whie man. His wife is part Choctaw, she claims 1/8. Wife's father Henry C. Ledford, who is living. Her mother is Millie Ann, see case 6539. His minor childre are Clay P. Barnes age 7 weeks.Wife's Choctaw ancestor was her great great grandfather John Harper. John Harper was claimed to be full blood. He says his wife does not speak Choctaw, she is dark and has black eyes and hair. MCR 6539 Millie Ann Ledford Age 48, PO Mount Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She lived in KY all her life. Her parents are both dead. Her father Henry Evans, her mother Lucinda. Her husband is H. C. Ledford a White man. Her ancestor John Harper, great grand father had moved from MS to KY. She always heard that. She does not know if he registered with Col. Ward. Asked if she knew Jasper Chambers, he lives in TX.. Jasper Hanks case MCR 5670 he claims through the same common ancestor and also the case of Christopher C. Hanks 6508. This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being descended from White parentage; her hair is somewhat gray-- formerly black; eyes are black; complexion medium dark; doesn not speak or understand the Choctaw language and has no knowledge of any compliance on the part of her Choctaw ancestor with the provisions of the 14th article of the treaty of 1830. Jan 1903 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

YES IAM DID I NOT SEND IT RIGHT SORRY !!! DO YOU HAVE CONNECTION ON THESE FAMILYIES ?? THANKS KAY

Basically, the problem is they didn't remove, nor did they remain in Mississippi, they did not retain their cultural heritage, nor ties to the Choctaw people. Of the one's who did remain, only those who were 1/2 or more were recognized by the Federal government, because those who weren't became white citizens. The Cherokee refused to allow thousands of applicant's as member's because they didn't remove. Your preaching to the choir. Jennifer Mieirs My genealogy webpage http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com > [Original Message] > From: Richard Wilson <imafo.hopiah@yahoo.com> > To: <choctaw@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/2/2006 1:34:00 PM > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Barnes MCR 6544 > > See how they basically call these people liars?John Harper was denied by William Ward, who was proven to be corrupt. They then had to live as white as they were forced to live around white people who were openly hostile to Indians. The government goes on a program to eliminate Native languages and they deny John Harper's descendants for these very reasons. Isn't it interesting though that all of these people, living in different parts of the country, had the same story about their ancestors? > > Oklafalaya@aol.com wrote: MCR 6544 > George Barnes age 27, PO Creeks, Ky. He is a Whie man. His wife is part > Choctaw, she claims 1/8. > Wife's father Henry C. Ledford, who is living. Her mother is Millie Ann, > see case 6539. His minor childre are Clay P. Barnes age 7 weeks.Wife's Choctaw > ancestor was her great great grandfather John Harper. John Harper was > claimed to be full blood. > He says his wife does not speak Choctaw, she is dark and has black eyes and > hair. > > MCR 6539 > Millie Ann Ledford > Age 48, PO Mount Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She lived in KY all her > life. Her parents are both dead. Her father Henry Evans, her mother Lucinda. > Her husband is H. C. Ledford a White man. Her ancestor John Harper, great > grand father had moved from MS to KY. She always heard that. She does not > know if he registered with Col. Ward. > Asked if she knew Jasper Chambers, he lives in TX.. Jasper Hanks case MCR > 5670 he claims through the same common ancestor and also the case of > Christopher C. Hanks 6508. > This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being > descended from White parentage; her hair is somewhat gray-- formerly black; eyes > are black; complexion medium dark; doesn not speak or understand the Choctaw > language and has no knowledge of any compliance on the part of her Choctaw > ancestor with the provisions of the 14th article of the treaty of 1830. Jan > 1903 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See how they basically call these people liars?John Harper was denied by William Ward, who was proven to be corrupt. They then had to live as white as they were forced to live around white people who were openly hostile to Indians. The government goes on a program to eliminate Native languages and they deny John Harper's descendants for these very reasons. Isn't it interesting though that all of these people, living in different parts of the country, had the same story about their ancestors? Oklafalaya@aol.com wrote: MCR 6544 George Barnes age 27, PO Creeks, Ky. He is a Whie man. His wife is part Choctaw, she claims 1/8. Wife's father Henry C. Ledford, who is living. Her mother is Millie Ann, see case 6539. His minor childre are Clay P. Barnes age 7 weeks.Wife's Choctaw ancestor was her great great grandfather John Harper. John Harper was claimed to be full blood. He says his wife does not speak Choctaw, she is dark and has black eyes and hair. MCR 6539 Millie Ann Ledford Age 48, PO Mount Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She lived in KY all her life. Her parents are both dead. Her father Henry Evans, her mother Lucinda. Her husband is H. C. Ledford a White man. Her ancestor John Harper, great grand father had moved from MS to KY. She always heard that. She does not know if he registered with Col. Ward. Asked if she knew Jasper Chambers, he lives in TX.. Jasper Hanks case MCR 5670 he claims through the same common ancestor and also the case of Christopher C. Hanks 6508. This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being descended from White parentage; her hair is somewhat gray-- formerly black; eyes are black; complexion medium dark; doesn not speak or understand the Choctaw language and has no knowledge of any compliance on the part of her Choctaw ancestor with the provisions of the 14th article of the treaty of 1830. Jan 1903 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

Are you talking to me? Riportel@aol.com wrote: WHEN YOU HAVE TIME CAN YOU WRITE AND WE CAN DISCUSS THESE NAMES YOU GAVE ME AND # THANKS KAY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Is this the right family? MCR 6843 Louisa Smith age 31, PO Rogers, KY, lived in KY all her life. Her father is John Meadows, her mother Lydia, She claims Choctaw blood through her mother. She claims 1/8. Her husband was Harry Smith. She claims through John Harper. He was her mother's great grandfather. She heard he lived in MS or Ala. Doesn't know if they signed Ward's list. She is related to Jasper Chambers, the same of Hanks, second cousin. This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being de scended from White parentage, dark blue eyes, brown hair,, medium light complexion, she has no knowledge of the Choctaw language and know knowledge of the compliance on the part of her ancestors with the provisions of article 14 of the treaty of 1830. 31 March 1903

MCR 6544 George Barnes age 27, PO Creeks, Ky. He is a Whie man. His wife is part Choctaw, she claims 1/8. Wife's father Henry C. Ledford, who is living. Her mother is Millie Ann, see case 6539. His minor childre are Clay P. Barnes age 7 weeks.Wife's Choctaw ancestor was her great great grandfather John Harper. John Harper was claimed to be full blood. He says his wife does not speak Choctaw, she is dark and has black eyes and hair. MCR 6539 Millie Ann Ledford Age 48, PO Mount Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She lived in KY all her life. Her parents are both dead. Her father Henry Evans, her mother Lucinda. Her husband is H. C. Ledford a White man. Her ancestor John Harper, great grand father had moved from MS to KY. She always heard that. She does not know if he registered with Col. Ward. Asked if she knew Jasper Chambers, he lives in TX.. Jasper Hanks case MCR 5670 he claims through the same common ancestor and also the case of Christopher C. Hanks 6508. This applicant has the appearance and physical characteristics of being descended from White parentage; her hair is somewhat gray-- formerly black; eyes are black; complexion medium dark; doesn not speak or understand the Choctaw language and has no knowledge of any compliance on the part of her Choctaw ancestor with the provisions of the 14th article of the treaty of 1830. Jan 1903

Dear Carri: I have no idea what messages went before, but I have been interested in Elizabeth George Folsom for many, many years--she was married to Andrew Jackson Stanton, the brother of My gt-gmor Susie Ann Stanton, who lived with with Andrew and Elizabeth after Susie's parents were murdered by bushwhackers during the Civil War. What exactly did you want to know? I have her family back a generation or more. Patty kehkeh1@aol.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1226.2 Message Board Post: Joan, I have info on Elizabeth G. Stanton Folsom and her descendants if you are still searching for this info. Carri (kehkeh1@aol.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1226.2 Message Board Post: Joan, I have info on Elizabeth G. Stanton Folsom and her descendants if you are still searching for this info. Carri (kehkeh1@aol.com)

WHEN YOU HAVE TIME CAN YOU WRITE AND WE CAN DISCUSS THESE NAMES YOU GAVE ME AND # THANKS KAY

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi April As far as I know, no, we are not connected with the other Payne's you mentioned in Hugo. But, who knows, the further into this I get, the more "folks" I find............? And, yes, Don Ed is my Brother.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi again Larry, Just wondering, are you connected to the other Paynes in the Hugo area. Such as Ronnie Payne, Phillip Payne, Richard Payne, etc. I have a connection to this Payne family in a couple of different ways. I am assuming that Don Ed is your brother? April

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, April Yup, I was thinking along the same lines as you, for quite some time. You know, Grandpa at the age of 20 and the Smith girl at the age of 19................Then, I finally found my Father's Late Birth Certificate. He had not had a birth certificate until 1976 or thereabouts, so he had to have one for his Social Security and in getting one he had to prove his birthday, etc. So, by golly, guess who he got to verify his age? Orlean Smith, the same Orlean Smith who is the son of Annie Smith. And, in Orlean Smith's statement, he verified that Francis M. Hendrix was my Father's true birth Mother and she appears as such on my Father's birth certificate. And, I'm pretty convinced that Francis M. Hendrix was the daughter of Lorenzo Dow Hendrix and Katherine Benson. I've attached the same Canadian Township 1910 census ( different page ) that lists the Hendrix's ( they are about middle page on the sheet ). BTW, the whole darn bunch of them, the Benson's, Hendrix's, Barnes's, Payne's are all buried at Crowder Cemetery ( With the exception of my Father and Mother who are buried at the cemetery in Hugo, OK.). Thanks for you quick reply. Any help you may be, will be very deeply appreciated. Larry

I also have a Smith: Louisa Smith MCR#6843, application# 971. I'll order that record as well and let you know what I discover. paynengineering@yahoo.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, April Yup, I was thinking along the same lines as you, for quite some time. You know, Grandpa at the age of 20 and the Smith girl at the age of 19................Then, I finally found my Father's Late Birth Certificate. He had not had a birth certificate until 1976 or thereabouts, so he had to have one for his Social Security and in getting one he had to prove his birthday, etc. So, by golly, guess who he got to verify his age? Orlean Smith, the same Orlean Smith who is the son of Annie Smith. And, in Orlean Smith's statement, he verified that Francis M. Hendrix was my Father's true birth Mother and she appears as such on my Father's birth certificate. And, I'm pretty convinced that Francis M. Hendrix was the daughter of Lorenzo Dow Hendrix and Katherine Benson. I've attached the same Canadian Township 1910 census ( different page ) that lists the Hendrix's ( they are about middle page on the sheet ). BTW, the whole darn bunch of them, the Benson's, Hendrix's, Barnes's, Payne's are all buried at Crowder Cemetery ( With the exception of my Father and Mother who are buried at the cemetery in Hugo, OK.). Thanks for you quick reply. Any help you may be, will be very deeply appreciated. Larry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Thank you, Looking forward to receiving more information from you. Larry ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Wilson <imafo.hopiah@yahoo.com> To: choctaw@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:45:03 PM Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW] Help me find my People, please. Halito, I am Choctaw and have a number of Barneses. You will have to excuse me though, I have lost some of my data and reorganizing what I have left, so I'll only be able to give you part of what I have for now. The Barnes name is a trader name. As you might be aware, most of the traders intermarried into the tribes they were trading with. The data I have for you today, is taken from a list of people from my family, who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes' Commission. The Barneses on my list are: Athley Barnes MCR# 7167, application# 911; Lydia Barnes MCR# 6544, application# 276, 279a. You can order these records from the NARA and they are usually loaded with genealogical information. I will be ordering more information soon and will get back with you on what I have found. I will also get back with you after I am finished reorganizing my data. It will take some time, though as I have a considerable amount to do. I do have more info. on the Barnes family. Imafo paynengineering@yahoo.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix, Katherine Benson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411 Message Board Post: Halito, Sa hohchifo ut Larry Payne. I am new to this genealogy stuff so if I become confusing, I am sorry. Trying to trace back my Father's People. I'm not trying to "prove" anything, just wanting to know my People. Father's name: Howard C. Payne - Born 21 Apr 1912 in Canadian township, Pittsburg county, OK., Died 13 Sep 1991, Hugo, OK His Mother's name: Francis M. Hendrix - Born 1892 in Arkansas (this is all I have, sorry). His Mother's Father: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix - Born 1841 either in Mississippi or Alabama (either around Philadelphia MS or in Mobile or Washington county AL). Married Katherine K. Benson c. 1880. Died 1912 in OK (probably in Crowder or Canadian, Pittsburg county, OK). Katherine Kate or Katy Benson was born either in 1854 or 1860 in Alabama and died in 1928 in Crowder, Pittsburg county, OK and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. Katy was married previously to marrying my Gr-Grandad Lorenzo, to James William Barnes. James was killed in 1880 by white people, probably in Crowder/Canadian and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. I lose track of these folks in MS or AL and can get no further back than that. My Father was some blood quantum and we were always told that his mother (Francis W. Hendrix) was "a lot Indian", whatever "a lot" is. We were never told much more than this, whether that is because our Father WAS Indian or, possibly, because his Mother and Father maybe didn't have "the benefit of clergy". I do know that we kids (my Brother, who is the Judge down at Hugo, and I) were never told that our REAL Grandmother (Francis) and all her folks were living right there in Crowder, along with our Mother's folks and our Father's Father (Walter Payne) and his Step-mother. Never told, never talked about. Darn shame. I'd probably have liked Francis............... Yokoke, Larry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Halito, I am Choctaw and have a number of Barneses. You will have to excuse me though, I have lost some of my data and reorganizing what I have left, so I'll only be able to give you part of what I have for now. The Barnes name is a trader name. As you might be aware, most of the traders intermarried into the tribes they were trading with. The data I have for you today, is taken from a list of people from my family, who attempted enrollment in the Choctaw Tribe during the Dawes' Commission. The Barneses on my list are: Athley Barnes MCR# 7167, application# 911; Lydia Barnes MCR# 6544, application# 276, 279a. You can order these records from the NARA and they are usually loaded with genealogical information. I will be ordering more information soon and will get back with you on what I have found. I will also get back with you after I am finished reorganizing my data. It will take some time, though as I have a considerable amount to do. I do have more info. on the Barnes family. Imafo paynengineering@yahoo.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix, Katherine Benson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411 Message Board Post: Halito, Sa hohchifo ut Larry Payne. I am new to this genealogy stuff so if I become confusing, I am sorry. Trying to trace back my Father's People. I'm not trying to "prove" anything, just wanting to know my People. Father's name: Howard C. Payne - Born 21 Apr 1912 in Canadian township, Pittsburg county, OK., Died 13 Sep 1991, Hugo, OK His Mother's name: Francis M. Hendrix - Born 1892 in Arkansas (this is all I have, sorry). His Mother's Father: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix - Born 1841 either in Mississippi or Alabama (either around Philadelphia MS or in Mobile or Washington county AL). Married Katherine K. Benson c. 1880. Died 1912 in OK (probably in Crowder or Canadian, Pittsburg county, OK). Katherine Kate or Katy Benson was born either in 1854 or 1860 in Alabama and died in 1928 in Crowder, Pittsburg county, OK and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. Katy was married previously to marrying my Gr-Grandad Lorenzo, to James William Barnes. James was killed in 1880 by white people, probably in Crowder/Canadian and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. I lose track of these folks in MS or AL and can get no further back than that. My Father was some blood quantum and we were always told that his mother (Francis W. Hendrix) was "a lot Indian", whatever "a lot" is. We were never told much more than this, whether that is because our Father WAS Indian or, possibly, because his Mother and Father maybe didn't have "the benefit of clergy". I do know that we kids (my Brother, who is the Judge down at Hugo, and I) were never told that our REAL Grandmother (Francis) and all her folks were living right there in Crowder, along with our Mother's folks and our Father's Father (Walter Payne) and his Step-mother. Never told, never talked about. Darn shame. I'd probably have liked Francis............... Yokoke, Larry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHOCTAW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix, Katherine Benson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4gC.2ACE/1411 Message Board Post: Halito, Sa hohchifo ut Larry Payne. I am new to this genealogy stuff so if I become confusing, I am sorry. Trying to trace back my Father's People. I'm not trying to "prove" anything, just wanting to know my People. Father's name: Howard C. Payne - Born 21 Apr 1912 in Canadian township, Pittsburg county, OK., Died 13 Sep 1991, Hugo, OK His Mother's name: Francis M. Hendrix - Born 1892 in Arkansas (this is all I have, sorry). His Mother's Father: Lorenzo Dow Hendrix - Born 1841 either in Mississippi or Alabama (either around Philadelphia MS or in Mobile or Washington county AL). Married Katherine K. Benson c. 1880. Died 1912 in OK (probably in Crowder or Canadian, Pittsburg county, OK). Katherine Kate or Katy Benson was born either in 1854 or 1860 in Alabama and died in 1928 in Crowder, Pittsburg county, OK and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. Katy was married previously to marrying my Gr-Grandad Lorenzo, to James William Barnes. James was killed in 1880 by white people, probably in Crowder/Canadian and is buried in Crowder Cemetery. I lose track of these folks in MS or AL and can get no further back than that. My Father was some blood quantum and we were always told that his mother (Francis W. Hendrix) was "a lot Indian", whatever "a lot" is. We were never told much more than this, whether that is because our Father WAS Indian or, possibly, because his Mother and Father maybe didn't have "the benefit of clergy". I do know that we kids (my Brother, who is the Judge down at Hugo, and I) were never told that our REAL Grandmother (Francis) and all her folks were living right there in Crowder, along with our Mother's folks and our Father's Father (Walter Payne) and his Step-mother. Never told, never talked about. Darn shame. I'd probably have liked Francis............... Yokoke, Larry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4gC.2ACE/1408.1.1 Message Board Post: Kathy thanks for the info. I did not have that and it put some of the pieces together for my wife's ancestors. If you run across any more on Willis family would appreciate a heads up. Many thanks again. God Bless! GWA Columbus, OH