Dear Mr. Wen: I am the listowner of the CHINA-L list. I had not paid attention to the full text of this message because it looked similar to the other one (I thought they were the same). However, now that I look closer, I realize that much of this message was not meant for public consumption. You used poor judgement in posting the message in full. It's OK to disagree with Lester Chow's "History of Mankind," but reprinting his views about his family members was absolutely uncalled for. I'm sure it was embarrassing for Mr. Chow; it's probably even more so to members of his family who might have seen it as it was posted to CHINA-L -- or who might see it in the future in the Rootsweb archives. I cannot remove the note from the system. Your poorly thought out action has ensured that BILLIONS of people will be able to find and read the note in the future. Please think next time before attempting such a feat again. Sincerely, Dave Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan -----Original Message----- From: David Wen [mailto:dvdwen@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:35 AM To: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHINA] Genealogy of Mankind(Transcript of correspondence1) The following is the transcript of my correspondence with the author of the Genealogy of Mankind, which I believe should be share with every child of the Yellow Emperor. > > Hello Lester Chow, > > Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. > > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. > > However, you do not present enough credential (if any) > to support this conclusion. You have mentioned about > sources, but wouldn't it be better if you can quote > your sources, for I believe (I think all will agree) > that quotations of sources are one of the most > important credentials. > > Please share with us. Hope to hear from you soon! > > Best Regards, > > David Wen Thanks for your letter. 1. Politely, may I say you need a better ascii editor as your editor, sometimes puts symbols on text instead of the proper abbreviations. 2. My text materials is well documented and supported by genealogy research materials. I did not quote all of the sources, because when I did the research there were too many numerous citations. My research work product is somewhat very accurate. I have a background in languages and world history from college. I explored Chinese genealogy texts and other Chinese writings. What you see is a synthesis of many documents, which did not make such claims, but indicated that such finds, as I have stated, are true. This is how most history research is done. In some of the better texts, they do not quote sources. The author is accepted as the authority on the subject. I can, later, provide sources where some of this material is found. It would take much diging into my notes and past research and I don't have the time for that now. 3. I am trying to get my career business going. Trying to build a database for Kosovo, Chechnya, and Iraq. I just don't have time for anything else. If more people took interest in these things, the work would get done sooner. My family here in Hawaii are selfish, stupid, and stubborn. They care more for their poor souls (even if they are wealthy or well-off), than trying to put aside time for this heritage and helping the Chinese culture and people. The U.S. government has been involved in my heritage and has controlled and screened many of my relatives for honor and their integrity. All have failed (by U.S. government's and Chinese traditional standards, as judged by government's local representatives/agents and operatives), so they have chosen to continue on in their live with lucrative careers. 4. The benefit of the genealogy text is to show the Chinese people (a) in China, or (b) in Taiwan, or (c) abroad, or (d) in my own family our path or China's path for the future. By being in keeping with truth, our future is bright and better. We are then able to diplomatically take the lead in things (without resorting to violence or protest) and create a better world for all Chinese. Apparently, no one wants to follow this lead. Am I mistaken? http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html The genealogy text is a record, an accurate record of the Chou clan history, so this should be preserved by members of the Chou clan. Do you think they are worthy or caring enough to devote their time and resources to doing this? Symbols of the past are important and past history should be preserved. The past teaches us lessons, that is why the Chou clan fathers recorded their history and genealogy, done from ancient times like I have done on my above-mentioned homepage. Can you guess how many in my own family are interested in preserving this kind of thing? How many are really worthy. 5. First things first. Membership in the Chou clan is needed, so the work can get done. http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline. My resume is online as I am an honest person. Most important sources are quoted in my text materials. There is a copyright seal in my materials, so other people won't steal my work. > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. Being a descendant of Put, may not be a complimentary thing. If one was to find out that their lot is an evil one, one would reject that info as not being true. It is always best to face truth as truth makes better persons. By realizing our past flaws and failings (the same said of our ancestors), we can chart a better, more productive, and upright path for the future. This is the message that I bring, not a doom and gloom one. I think my genealogy text says that Huang Di is the eleventh son of Put. >From Put, some historians believe come the Italians. Most of history is conjecture, but it is the better historians that will put conjucture together in a hopefully more true picture. This is the only way, sometimes, for us to understand past history. Understanding past history is important, because it allows us to understand ourselves. PS: Send me your resume as I would like to know to whom I am speaking. Additionally, would you like to help the above cause? Write to me and throw your ideas into the ring! I am not doing this to just spin my wheels. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/