On 9 Jun 2000, at 17:05, NoSpamlchow wrote with great flare and wits: > > Article: Researching Chinese Roots - Verification of Genealogy > > Message to all list participants. I do extensive Chinese genealogy work > and I maintain a genealogy database of about 40 to 60 Chinese surnames, all > written in Chinese, going back to the original Emperor Huang Di. There are > two known Chinese Emperors that go by the same title of Huang Di, the > original Huang Di, founding Emperor of China, and CHIN Shih Huang Di. > Huang Di is China's first patriarchal and founding ancestor, while CHIN > Shih Huang Di is merely Emperor of China's fourth dynasty. > Lester, as a person who reads and writes Chinese (I think you do), why are you trying to confuse us? The two "huang's" are different Chinese characters and have complete different meanings. The huang in Huang Di is the colour yellow. After the unification of China, the Chin ruler decided a new title is necessary, so the title "huang di" was coined to imply his accomplishment is greater than those of the 8 ancient mystical rulers, the 3 huang's and 5 di's. Prior to Chin Shih Huang's unification, China was a feudal state. All the heads of the various dynasties were nothing more than leaders of the feudal lords. In essence, Chin Shih Huang was China's first emperor. ><snip> > > My primary research, in the past, has been on my own family from the Chou > Dynasty, on the Ch'ing Dynasty (a Manchurian ethnic group, who ruled > China), and on the Ming Dynasty (Chun, Chen, Chu family surnames). By > being honest with all of these people, I have been able to verify and > document genealogy that does not appear in current publications. If you go > to my website, you will find a partial list of my work in Chinese > genealogy, http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html. The > term "chia p'u" in Chinese means family album or family genealogy tree > book. I use the term "cha p'u" instead to indicate that this is my oath as > to the truth of my genealogy work. The work "cha" means, blood oath. > The official surname of the Chou Dynasty rulers is "Kei" and there is a fair number of them around still. Is there anyway for you to show us the "cha" character in Chinese? > <snip> > > The research work that I published online, about Henry P'u Yee and the > manchurian genealogy is true and P'u Yee is not a pretender to the throne > of China. Henry P'u Yee is what would be called, today, a placeholder > Emperor as he was not officially installed by Court. The traditional > succession of the Ch'ing Dynasty was not published, until I published some > of this history and official succession, online, within the past year or > so. > I couldn't find it on your site. Could you post the url please? > <snip> > > The traditional and proper last Emperor of China (of the Manchurian Ch'ing > Dynasty) is Henry P'u Yee's uncle, who was installed by Court as Emperor > Kuang Yao. This installation occurred in Ma Bin Pou, a mythical city 30 > miles outside of Canton, a city chosen which was symbolically done in the > name of Emperor Tao Kuang, China's rightful succession Emperor of the > Manchurian Ch'ing Dynasty Court. > I'm a bit confused here (not very hard to do). Who was installed in Ma Bin Pou, Kuang Yao or Tao Kuang? Again could you somehow post the Chinese characters for "Ma Bin Pou" and "Tao Kuang"? <snip> Kevin http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes ICQ: 41912308 __________________________________________________________ Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. -- Lazarus Long

On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, K.Y. Lee wrote: > On 9 Jun 2000, at 17:05, NoSpamlchow wrote with great flare and wits: > > > Article: Researching Chinese Roots - Verification of Genealogy > > > > Message to all list participants. I do extensive Chinese genealogy work > > and I maintain a genealogy database of about 40 to 60 Chinese surnames, all > > written in Chinese, going back to the original Emperor Huang Di. There are > > two known Chinese Emperors that go by the same title of Huang Di, the > > original Huang Di, founding Emperor of China, and CHIN Shih Huang Di. > > Huang Di is China's first patriarchal and founding ancestor, while CHIN > > Shih Huang Di is merely Emperor of China's fourth dynasty. > > Lester, as a person who reads and writes Chinese (I think you do), why > are you trying to confuse us? The two "huang's" are different Chinese > characters and have complete different meanings. The huang in Huang > Di is the colour yellow. After the unification of China, the Chin ruler > decided a new title is necessary, so the title "huang di" was coined to > imply his accomplishment is greater than those of the 8 ancient mystical > rulers, the 3 huang's and 5 di's. > > Prior to Chin Shih Huang's unification, China was a feudal state. All the > heads of the various dynasties were nothing more than leaders of the > feudal lords. In essence, Chin Shih Huang was China's first emperor. Are you one of the guys that has been continually flaming me in newsgroups? If a person wants legitimate answers to questions, one does not go around trying to publicly humiliating others. If one doesn't understand a point made by the author of an article, the correct thing to do is to write a private letter to the author asking for an explanation. Trying to humiliate someone and implying in public that one is stupid is very unbecoming and unprofessional. You may sooner or later discover that current history text and interpretations are wrong and that you have humiliated a person who is greater than you. Anything that you say, you will be held accountable for...and sued. Please do not mislead the readers of this newsgroup. > ><snip> > > > > My primary research, in the past, has been on my own family from the Chou > > Dynasty, on the Ch'ing Dynasty (a Manchurian ethnic group, who ruled > > China), and on the Ming Dynasty (Chun, Chen, Chu family surnames). By > > being honest with all of these people, I have been able to verify and > > document genealogy that does not appear in current publications. If you go > > to my website, you will find a partial list of my work in Chinese > > genealogy, http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html. The > > term "chia p'u" in Chinese means family album or family genealogy tree > > book. I use the term "cha p'u" instead to indicate that this is my oath as > > to the truth of my genealogy work. The work "cha" means, blood oath. > > > > The official surname of the Chou Dynasty rulers is "Kei" and there is a > fair number of them around still. > > Is there anyway for you to show us the "cha" character in Chinese? > > > <snip> > > > > The research work that I published online, about Henry P'u Yee and the > > manchurian genealogy is true and P'u Yee is not a pretender to the throne > > of China. Henry P'u Yee is what would be called, today, a placeholder > > Emperor as he was not officially installed by Court. The traditional > > succession of the Ch'ing Dynasty was not published, until I published some > > of this history and official succession, online, within the past year or > > so. > > > > I couldn't find it on your site. Could you post the url please? > > > <snip> > > > > The traditional and proper last Emperor of China (of the Manchurian Ch'ing > > Dynasty) is Henry P'u Yee's uncle, who was installed by Court as Emperor > > Kuang Yao. This installation occurred in Ma Bin Pou, a mythical city 30 > > miles outside of Canton, a city chosen which was symbolically done in the > > name of Emperor Tao Kuang, China's rightful succession Emperor of the > > Manchurian Ch'ing Dynasty Court. > > > > I'm a bit confused here (not very hard to do). Who was installed in Ma > Bin Pou, Kuang Yao or Tao Kuang? Again could you somehow post the > Chinese characters for "Ma Bin Pou" and "Tao Kuang"? > > <snip> > > Kevin > > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > ICQ: 41912308 > __________________________________________________________ > Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. > -- Lazarus Long > >