I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any idea as to province? Ruth Wong ----- Original Message ----- From: K.Y. Lee <kylee@telus.net> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CHINA] Verification of Genealogy > On 9 Jun 2000, at 17:05, NoSpamlchow wrote with great flare and wits: > > > > > Article: Researching Chinese Roots - Verification of Genealogy > > > > Message to all list participants. I do extensive Chinese genealogy work > > and I maintain a genealogy database of about 40 to 60 Chinese surnames, all > > written in Chinese, going back to the original Emperor Huang Di. There are > > two known Chinese Emperors that go by the same title of Huang Di, the > > original Huang Di, founding Emperor of China, and CHIN Shih Huang Di. > > Huang Di is China's first patriarchal and founding ancestor, while CHIN > > Shih Huang Di is merely Emperor of China's fourth dynasty. > > > > Lester, as a person who reads and writes Chinese (I think you do), why > are you trying to confuse us? The two "huang's" are different Chinese > characters and have complete different meanings. The huang in Huang > Di is the colour yellow. After the unification of China, the Chin ruler > decided a new title is necessary, so the title "huang di" was coined to > imply his accomplishment is greater than those of the 8 ancient mystical > rulers, the 3 huang's and 5 di's. > > Prior to Chin Shih Huang's unification, China was a feudal state. All the > heads of the various dynasties were nothing more than leaders of the > feudal lords. In essence, Chin Shih Huang was China's first emperor. > > ><snip> > > > > My primary research, in the past, has been on my own family from the Chou > > Dynasty, on the Ch'ing Dynasty (a Manchurian ethnic group, who ruled > > China), and on the Ming Dynasty (Chun, Chen, Chu family surnames). By > > being honest with all of these people, I have been able to verify and > > document genealogy that does not appear in current publications. If you go > > to my website, you will find a partial list of my work in Chinese > > genealogy, http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html. The > > term "chia p'u" in Chinese means family album or family genealogy tree > > book. I use the term "cha p'u" instead to indicate that this is my oath as > > to the truth of my genealogy work. The work "cha" means, blood oath. > > > > The official surname of the Chou Dynasty rulers is "Kei" and there is a > fair number of them around still. > > Is there anyway for you to show us the "cha" character in Chinese? > > > <snip> > > > > The research work that I published online, about Henry P'u Yee and the > > manchurian genealogy is true and P'u Yee is not a pretender to the throne > > of China. Henry P'u Yee is what would be called, today, a placeholder > > Emperor as he was not officially installed by Court. The traditional > > succession of the Ch'ing Dynasty was not published, until I published some > > of this history and official succession, online, within the past year or > > so. > > > > I couldn't find it on your site. Could you post the url please? > > > <snip> > > > > The traditional and proper last Emperor of China (of the Manchurian Ch'ing > > Dynasty) is Henry P'u Yee's uncle, who was installed by Court as Emperor > > Kuang Yao. This installation occurred in Ma Bin Pou, a mythical city 30 > > miles outside of Canton, a city chosen which was symbolically done in the > > name of Emperor Tao Kuang, China's rightful succession Emperor of the > > Manchurian Ch'ing Dynasty Court. > > > > I'm a bit confused here (not very hard to do). Who was installed in Ma > Bin Pou, Kuang Yao or Tao Kuang? Again could you somehow post the > Chinese characters for "Ma Bin Pou" and "Tao Kuang"? > > <snip> > > Kevin > > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > ICQ: 41912308 > __________________________________________________________ > Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. > -- Lazarus Long > > >

On 10 Jun 2000, at 23:24, whillp wrote with great flare and wits: > I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is > yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat > and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was > if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any > idea as to province? Ruth Wong > Yes, we can tell which Huang he belongs to from the Chinese character. The generation number is only meaningful to member of the same clan. More likely than not your father-in-law came from Fukin province. Kevin http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes ICQ: 41912308 __________________________________________________________ Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. -- Chinese Proverb

Sorry I don't have the province -Joseph married a Scotswoman in 1859 in Ipswich Qld and just stated born amoy probably about 1825.Thanks Cheerio, Del ----- Original Message ----- From: K.Y. Lee <kylee@telus.net> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHINA] Verification of Genealogy > On 10 Jun 2000, at 23:24, whillp wrote with great flare and wits: > > > I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is > > yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat > > and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was > > if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any > > idea as to province? Ruth Wong > > > > Yes, we can tell which Huang he belongs to from the Chinese character. > The generation number is only meaningful to member of the same clan. > More likely than not your father-in-law came from Fukin province. > > Kevin > > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > ICQ: 41912308 > __________________________________________________________ > Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. > -- Chinese Proverb > >