Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/243 Surname: LAMMERT ------------------------- Looking for information on the Lammert family resident in Hong Kong around the year 1896. Isabel Jennie Lammert, (younger daughter of Phillipp Reinhold Eugene Lammert) was married to Dr. James Alfred Lowson in Hong Kong at St. John's cathedral on May 19, 1896. The couple moved to Forfar, Scotland to live. They had two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom is now aged 84. Dr. James Alfred Lowson was Chief Medical Officer of Hong Kong around 1894.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/242 Surname: Xsuiee, Chungxaozsumohanotimafao, Zaizhoungzi, Gonchwai ------------------------- Will you let me know if you find out any where I can find a place to search for immigration papers as well. My grandfather; Gondal Zaizhoungzi; from Shanghai in 1920's My great-grandfather; Lei-hai Xsuiee; from Pekin in 1880's My great-great-grandfather; Pai-Chin Chungxaozsumohanotimafao; from Yahngzi in 1840's My great-great-great-grandfather; Ming Gonchwai; from Former Hong Kong, in 1790's

I would like to offer my sincere apology to Mr. Lester Chow (the author of the Genealogy of Mankind) and to anyone who might be offended by the posting of my correspondences with him to the group listing. I did not mean to offend anyone. My true motive of posting the correspondences is to encourage people to share their views and comments on the topic of ��Genealogy of Mankind��. I am sorry for not omitting the parts which are personal and not for public reading. I am already feeling remorseful for embarassing my very own kinsmen, for I am related to the Zhou family. My ��Wen�� clan is descended from Tang Shuyu, the younger brother of King Cheng (2nd king of the Zhou dynasty) and a son of King Wen (1st king and founder of the Zhou dynasty). True are the words: ��A wise man learns from experience (mistakes), an even wiser man learns from experience (mistakes) of others��. To my distant cousin, Lester Chow, please accept my sincere apology. Sincerely, David Wen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

I apologize for committing the cardinal sin of replying to a message without checking the return address. My message to Mr. Wen was meant for him only -- and I stand by my statement -- but I intended to send it to him only rather than the list. For that mistake, I AM sorry. Let this be a lesson to all of us. Think before sending a message we may later regret. And ALWAYS double-check where the message is going. Later, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan

Dear Mr. Wen: I am the listowner of the CHINA-L list. I had not paid attention to the full text of this message because it looked similar to the other one (I thought they were the same). However, now that I look closer, I realize that much of this message was not meant for public consumption. You used poor judgement in posting the message in full. It's OK to disagree with Lester Chow's "History of Mankind," but reprinting his views about his family members was absolutely uncalled for. I'm sure it was embarrassing for Mr. Chow; it's probably even more so to members of his family who might have seen it as it was posted to CHINA-L -- or who might see it in the future in the Rootsweb archives. I cannot remove the note from the system. Your poorly thought out action has ensured that BILLIONS of people will be able to find and read the note in the future. Please think next time before attempting such a feat again. Sincerely, Dave Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan -----Original Message----- From: David Wen [mailto:dvdwen@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:35 AM To: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHINA] Genealogy of Mankind(Transcript of correspondence1) The following is the transcript of my correspondence with the author of the Genealogy of Mankind, which I believe should be share with every child of the Yellow Emperor. > > Hello Lester Chow, > > Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. > > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. > > However, you do not present enough credential (if any) > to support this conclusion. You have mentioned about > sources, but wouldn't it be better if you can quote > your sources, for I believe (I think all will agree) > that quotations of sources are one of the most > important credentials. > > Please share with us. Hope to hear from you soon! > > Best Regards, > > David Wen Thanks for your letter. 1. Politely, may I say you need a better ascii editor as your editor, sometimes puts symbols on text instead of the proper abbreviations. 2. My text materials is well documented and supported by genealogy research materials. I did not quote all of the sources, because when I did the research there were too many numerous citations. My research work product is somewhat very accurate. I have a background in languages and world history from college. I explored Chinese genealogy texts and other Chinese writings. What you see is a synthesis of many documents, which did not make such claims, but indicated that such finds, as I have stated, are true. This is how most history research is done. In some of the better texts, they do not quote sources. The author is accepted as the authority on the subject. I can, later, provide sources where some of this material is found. It would take much diging into my notes and past research and I don't have the time for that now. 3. I am trying to get my career business going. Trying to build a database for Kosovo, Chechnya, and Iraq. I just don't have time for anything else. If more people took interest in these things, the work would get done sooner. My family here in Hawaii are selfish, stupid, and stubborn. They care more for their poor souls (even if they are wealthy or well-off), than trying to put aside time for this heritage and helping the Chinese culture and people. The U.S. government has been involved in my heritage and has controlled and screened many of my relatives for honor and their integrity. All have failed (by U.S. government's and Chinese traditional standards, as judged by government's local representatives/agents and operatives), so they have chosen to continue on in their live with lucrative careers. 4. The benefit of the genealogy text is to show the Chinese people (a) in China, or (b) in Taiwan, or (c) abroad, or (d) in my own family our path or China's path for the future. By being in keeping with truth, our future is bright and better. We are then able to diplomatically take the lead in things (without resorting to violence or protest) and create a better world for all Chinese. Apparently, no one wants to follow this lead. Am I mistaken? http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html The genealogy text is a record, an accurate record of the Chou clan history, so this should be preserved by members of the Chou clan. Do you think they are worthy or caring enough to devote their time and resources to doing this? Symbols of the past are important and past history should be preserved. The past teaches us lessons, that is why the Chou clan fathers recorded their history and genealogy, done from ancient times like I have done on my above-mentioned homepage. Can you guess how many in my own family are interested in preserving this kind of thing? How many are really worthy. 5. First things first. Membership in the Chou clan is needed, so the work can get done. http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline. My resume is online as I am an honest person. Most important sources are quoted in my text materials. There is a copyright seal in my materials, so other people won't steal my work. > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. Being a descendant of Put, may not be a complimentary thing. If one was to find out that their lot is an evil one, one would reject that info as not being true. It is always best to face truth as truth makes better persons. By realizing our past flaws and failings (the same said of our ancestors), we can chart a better, more productive, and upright path for the future. This is the message that I bring, not a doom and gloom one. I think my genealogy text says that Huang Di is the eleventh son of Put. >From Put, some historians believe come the Italians. Most of history is conjecture, but it is the better historians that will put conjucture together in a hopefully more true picture. This is the only way, sometimes, for us to understand past history. Understanding past history is important, because it allows us to understand ourselves. PS: Send me your resume as I would like to know to whom I am speaking. Additionally, would you like to help the above cause? Write to me and throw your ideas into the ring! I am not doing this to just spin my wheels. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

NoSpamlchow... Thank you for your recent information to me on the Lew and Louie surnames. Would you know of anything on the surname UNG? Thank you T NoSpamlchow wrote: > To all mailing list members: > > I am the president of the Chou Clansmen Association of America. The Chou > Clansmen Association is a social, fraternal, and cultural Chinese surname > organization for people with the Chou (Chou, Chow, Zhou) surname. We are > located in Hawaii and we have a homepage presence at > http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline . Our clan society, one of many in Hawaii, > has a small membership of just under 12 members and we belong to the > greater Chou (Chow) surname group out of mainland China, called the Chin > Ying Tong Association, which boast a membership running into many > millions. > > We maintain a small genealogy library of about 60 Chinese family surnames > (written in Chinese) going back to the time of Huang Di, China's first > Emperor. In most cases, our records are updated to about the 19th > century just before mainland China's Cultural Revolution, when Chinese > genealogy books were destroyed. > > For public goodwill, we do genealogy work for Chinese people at no charge. > We try to connect people with their families and roots. While we can not > guarantee anything and sometimes a genealogy search takes time, we persist > because helping people (Chinese and non-Chinese) is what we are all about. > > My organization does not have a professional genealogist, so it takes us > longer to research and find materials. I try to help people wanting > Chinese genealogy connected to Hawaii. I work free of charge or on a > cost basis as long distance calls to Maui, Kauai, or the Big Island in the > State of Hawaii are not free. > > I am writing this letter to the group for following reasons: (1) As a > reminder as to who we are and what I do in a way of helping people find > their family genealogy, (2) to let people know, who have previously > contacted me, that I may not have been able to write to them, because > their correspondence was somehow inadvertently lost, (3) to let people > know that we have located the descendants of Goo Tong. > > Sometimes, the best way to find Chinese genealogy is to band together in a > group and mutually help others. It is my personal feeling that life is a > two way street. Sometimes, we need help and we are lucky to find other > people who give freely of their time to help us find our roots. Time is > money and some people spend their time, without thought of a financial > return just to help others. Many people are reluctant to go out of their > way, because it takes too much time and effort with too little result. I, > therefore, suggest that if there is anyone in this group from Hawaii, > where I am located, please get in touch with me. Sometimes, by > volunteering one's time to help other people find genealogy, you may > stumble across your own. Please give me a call at (808) 538-1855. > > With respect to Chinese genealogy, especially with regard to Chinese > genealogy out of or connected to Hawaii and with regard to Imperial > Chinese genealogy (Chou clan*, Chun clan, and Aisin Gioro clan), I am one > of the best in the world. > > FOUND: Goo descendants in Hawaii - FAMILY REUNION! > Someone posted a posting in this genealogy list looking for a specific Goo > family, I do not remember who posted that notice and some of my > correspondence was inadvertently destroyed. I followed up on that > posting a number of months ago, by making phone calls on Oahu (the main > island in the State of Hawaii) and the outer islands and recently got a > call from family members that they were going to have a family reunion on > August 18, 2000. So, if the person who posted the posting about finding > family and descendants of Goo Tong could privately e-mail me, I have some > information to pass on to you. > > Other people who sent me e-mails earlier, please be patient as sometimes > contacting and searching for people takes time. If you want to drop me a > brief note, I would welcome that, because some of our correspondence has > been lost. > > - - - - - > *Notation Chou clan genealogy encompasses some of the following surnames: > > Chinese family surnames - those who are descendants of China's ancient > Chou Dynasty (1122 BC to 256 BC) - Chow (Chou, Zhou), Lum (Lin), Chang > (Cheng), Goo (Ku), Wu (Wo, Woo), Ing (Ng), Ching (Cheng), Ho, Chiang, > Mau (Mao), Choy (Tsai), Sun, Yap (Yip, Ye, Yeh), Wong (Wang), Lai, Kee > (Ke), Kwock (Kwok, Kok, Kuo, Guo, Kop), Lau (Liu), Loui (Lui), Dang > (Teng, Tang, Deng, Dung), Siu (Hsiu, Hsiao) and Young (Yang, Yong). > Also, included: Chock (Cheuk, Cho) and Tom (Tan, Tam). >

To all mailing list members: I am the president of the Chou Clansmen Association of America. The Chou Clansmen Association is a social, fraternal, and cultural Chinese surname organization for people with the Chou (Chou, Chow, Zhou) surname. We are located in Hawaii and we have a homepage presence at http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline . Our clan society, one of many in Hawaii, has a small membership of just under 12 members and we belong to the greater Chou (Chow) surname group out of mainland China, called the Chin Ying Tong Association, which boast a membership running into many millions. We maintain a small genealogy library of about 60 Chinese family surnames (written in Chinese) going back to the time of Huang Di, China's first Emperor. In most cases, our records are updated to about the 19th century just before mainland China's Cultural Revolution, when Chinese genealogy books were destroyed. For public goodwill, we do genealogy work for Chinese people at no charge. We try to connect people with their families and roots. While we can not guarantee anything and sometimes a genealogy search takes time, we persist because helping people (Chinese and non-Chinese) is what we are all about. My organization does not have a professional genealogist, so it takes us longer to research and find materials. I try to help people wanting Chinese genealogy connected to Hawaii. I work free of charge or on a cost basis as long distance calls to Maui, Kauai, or the Big Island in the State of Hawaii are not free. I am writing this letter to the group for following reasons: (1) As a reminder as to who we are and what I do in a way of helping people find their family genealogy, (2) to let people know, who have previously contacted me, that I may not have been able to write to them, because their correspondence was somehow inadvertently lost, (3) to let people know that we have located the descendants of Goo Tong. Sometimes, the best way to find Chinese genealogy is to band together in a group and mutually help others. It is my personal feeling that life is a two way street. Sometimes, we need help and we are lucky to find other people who give freely of their time to help us find our roots. Time is money and some people spend their time, without thought of a financial return just to help others. Many people are reluctant to go out of their way, because it takes too much time and effort with too little result. I, therefore, suggest that if there is anyone in this group from Hawaii, where I am located, please get in touch with me. Sometimes, by volunteering one's time to help other people find genealogy, you may stumble across your own. Please give me a call at (808) 538-1855. With respect to Chinese genealogy, especially with regard to Chinese genealogy out of or connected to Hawaii and with regard to Imperial Chinese genealogy (Chou clan*, Chun clan, and Aisin Gioro clan), I am one of the best in the world. FOUND: Goo descendants in Hawaii - FAMILY REUNION! Someone posted a posting in this genealogy list looking for a specific Goo family, I do not remember who posted that notice and some of my correspondence was inadvertently destroyed. I followed up on that posting a number of months ago, by making phone calls on Oahu (the main island in the State of Hawaii) and the outer islands and recently got a call from family members that they were going to have a family reunion on August 18, 2000. So, if the person who posted the posting about finding family and descendants of Goo Tong could privately e-mail me, I have some information to pass on to you. Other people who sent me e-mails earlier, please be patient as sometimes contacting and searching for people takes time. If you want to drop me a brief note, I would welcome that, because some of our correspondence has been lost. - - - - - *Notation Chou clan genealogy encompasses some of the following surnames: Chinese family surnames - those who are descendants of China's ancient Chou Dynasty (1122 BC to 256 BC) - Chow (Chou, Zhou), Lum (Lin), Chang (Cheng), Goo (Ku), Wu (Wo, Woo), Ing (Ng), Ching (Cheng), Ho, Chiang, Mau (Mao), Choy (Tsai), Sun, Yap (Yip, Ye, Yeh), Wong (Wang), Lai, Kee (Ke), Kwock (Kwok, Kok, Kuo, Guo, Kop), Lau (Liu), Loui (Lui), Dang (Teng, Tang, Deng, Dung), Siu (Hsiu, Hsiao) and Young (Yang, Yong). Also, included: Chock (Cheuk, Cho) and Tom (Tan, Tam).

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/241 Surname: LEE, WONG ------------------------- Looking for information on Chinese who came to the Bahamas in the early 1920's.

The following is the transcript of my correspondence with the "author of the Genealogy of Mankind", which I believe should also be shared with every child of the Yellow Emperor. Best Regards, David Wen > Hello Lester Chow, > > Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. > > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) The Yellow Emperor is the progenitor of the Han-Chinese race. He is not one of two, he is "the" progenitor. It is the Chou clan people, acccording to history, and the Chi family (includes the Chow) that have influenced and directed the "rivers (rivers of mankind in what is called China, today)" so as to direct Ham's (Han) ancient civilization, out from under Put and out from under Magog. It is the Chou and the Chi that have done this and have shaped (re-shaped) China's entire civilization! Hou Chi, family and friends, were only factors in shaping China's entire civilization. Please re-read my site as you will find new meaning, now, with my explanation. Huang Di may not have been the smartest, nor wisest, being a descendant of Ham in Nimrod's camp. It is the Chou and Chi that really shaped China as my work brings this out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

The following is the transcript of my correspondence with the author of the Genealogy of Mankind, which I believe should be share with every child of the Yellow Emperor. > > Hello Lester Chow, > > Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. > > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. > > However, you do not present enough credential (if any) > to support this conclusion. You have mentioned about > sources, but wouldn't it be better if you can quote > your sources, for I believe (I think all will agree) > that quotations of sources are one of the most > important credentials. > > Please share with us. Hope to hear from you soon! > > Best Regards, > > David Wen Thanks for your letter. 1. Politely, may I say you need a better ascii editor as your editor, sometimes puts symbols on text instead of the proper abbreviations. 2. My text materials is well documented and supported by genealogy research materials. I did not quote all of the sources, because when I did the research there were too many numerous citations. My research work product is somewhat very accurate. I have a background in languages and world history from college. I explored Chinese genealogy texts and other Chinese writings. What you see is a synthesis of many documents, which did not make such claims, but indicated that such finds, as I have stated, are true. This is how most history research is done. In some of the better texts, they do not quote sources. The author is accepted as the authority on the subject. I can, later, provide sources where some of this material is found. It would take much diging into my notes and past research and I don't have the time for that now. 3. I am trying to get my career business going. Trying to build a database for Kosovo, Chechnya, and Iraq. I just don't have time for anything else. If more people took interest in these things, the work would get done sooner. My family here in Hawaii are selfish, stupid, and stubborn. They care more for their poor souls (even if they are wealthy or well-off), than trying to put aside time for this heritage and helping the Chinese culture and people. The U.S. government has been involved in my heritage and has controlled and screened many of my relatives for honor and their integrity. All have failed (by U.S. government's and Chinese traditional standards, as judged by government's local representatives/agents and operatives), so they have chosen to continue on in their live with lucrative careers. 4. The benefit of the genealogy text is to show the Chinese people (a) in China, or (b) in Taiwan, or (c) abroad, or (d) in my own family our path or China's path for the future. By being in keeping with truth, our future is bright and better. We are then able to diplomatically take the lead in things (without resorting to violence or protest) and create a better world for all Chinese. Apparently, no one wants to follow this lead. Am I mistaken? http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html The genealogy text is a record, an accurate record of the Chou clan history, so this should be preserved by members of the Chou clan. Do you think they are worthy or caring enough to devote their time and resources to doing this? Symbols of the past are important and past history should be preserved. The past teaches us lessons, that is why the Chou clan fathers recorded their history and genealogy, done from ancient times like I have done on my above-mentioned homepage. Can you guess how many in my own family are interested in preserving this kind of thing? How many are really worthy. 5. First things first. Membership in the Chou clan is needed, so the work can get done. http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline. My resume is online as I am an honest person. Most important sources are quoted in my text materials. There is a copyright seal in my materials, so other people won't steal my work. > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. Being a descendant of Put, may not be a complimentary thing. If one was to find out that their lot is an evil one, one would reject that info as not being true. It is always best to face truth as truth makes better persons. By realizing our past flaws and failings (the same said of our ancestors), we can chart a better, more productive, and upright path for the future. This is the message that I bring, not a doom and gloom one. I think my genealogy text says that Huang Di is the eleventh son of Put. >From Put, some historians believe come the Italians. Most of history is conjecture, but it is the better historians that will put conjucture together in a hopefully more true picture. This is the only way, sometimes, for us to understand past history. Understanding past history is important, because it allows us to understand ourselves. PS: Send me your resume as I would like to know to whom I am speaking. Additionally, would you like to help the above cause? Write to me and throw your ideas into the ring! I am not doing this to just spin my wheels. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/240 Surname: YU ------------------------- I am trying to locate YU, Thomas C whose address was 21 FL/E N 620 TUN HWA South Rd Taipei. I need to contact YU family members. I live in the United States and need to make contact. Please contact me at fyi321@pacbell.net Thank you. Sandy

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/238 Surname: YANG ------------------------- I am trying to locate, YANG, Wang I and YANG, Chi-Ping. They used to live at No. 33, Lane 160, TA HU Street Nei Hu Taipei R. Anyone knowing the Yang family, please contact me at fyi321@pacbell.net. I am in the United States and really need to contact them. Thank you.

On 4 Aug 2000, at 7:04, David Wen wrote with great flare and wits: > Hello Lester Chow, > > Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. > > In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the > man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han > Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is > very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in > the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of > Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put > like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able > to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese > clan associations will be interested. > Interesting, indeed. Chinese history/folklore mentioned a great flood also. And I always took it as one and same event as Noah and his Ark but in different parts of the world. The flood in China happened years after the reign of the Yellow Emperor. It happened not too long before the Xia dynasty, about 4,500 years ago. The founder of the Xia dynasty was elected/selected as overlord because of his effort in taming the flood. Kevin Lee http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes ICQ: 41912308 __________________________________________________________ Life is like a field of newly fallen snow. Where I choose to walk, every step will show. -- Denis Waitley

Hello Lester Chow, Your Genealogy of Mankind is fascinating. In the Genealogy, you present the Yellow Emperor (the man held to be one of the two progenitors of the Han Chinese race) to be one of the sons of Put. This is very interesting because the man Put was mentioned in the Bible (Genesis 10:6) as the son of Ham, the son of Noah. If the Yellow Emperor was truly the son of Put like you claim, then most Chinese clans would be able to trace there lineage up to Adam! I think all Chinese clan associations will be interested. However, you do not present enough credential (if any) to support this conclusion. You have mentioned about sources, but wouldn��t it be better if you can quote your sources, for I believe (I think all will agree) that quotations of sources are one of the most important credentials. Please share with us. Hope to hear from you soon! Best Regards, David Wen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=237 Surname: Lou ------------------------- Hi, I am not sure about your last name. In Chinese, my last name is pronounced Lui. It can often be spelled Louis, Louie, or Lui or even Lou. To translate my last name into English, it would mean "Thunder". I am also looking for my relatives with the same last name. I also know that the Kong and Fong family are also "brothers" of the Louis (Lui) family from the same village in China. Willem

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=236 Surname: TEO ------------------------- My father comes from the Fujian province. He came to Singapore and was married sometime between 1965-1970.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=235 Surname: UY, NG, WEI ------------------------- According to my chinese friends in the Philippines UY pronounced as "eeng" meaning yellow

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=234 Surname: PANG, JAY-PANG ------------------------- Hwllo Hsiao: My name is Dores Jay-PANG. I'm a grand Daughter of a chinese inmigrant to Colombia, SA. His name was changed but I'm sure was either Jay Pang He had two more brothers with whom he left China. Other brothers went to Panama and New York (my old guess). i REMEMBER SOMETHING LIKE MY GRANDS COMING FROM SHANGHAI AND GREAT GRAND MOTHER FROM CANTON BUT ALSO REMEMBER BEGIN? AND IRON SHOES IN MY HOME AND WOODEN SHOES TOO. aLSO REMEMBER COLORFUL POTTERY AND BEAUTIFUL SILK DRESSES AND SHOES AND RUGS. I'm tryinG to find more information, I know nothing about them due to family rivalries. Does Woo Kee Pang or Jay means anything for you? TELL ME ABOUT YOUR ANCESTORS. Please let me know and lots of luck in your journey to your roots. Dores

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=233 Surname: shears ------------------------- NEWFOUNDLAND

Hi Folks; I am trying to gain any information on the following. What information I have is listed below. NAME: HSU, Mary. BORN: 22 December, 1932 Shanghai, China. PARENTS: HSU Yu Pai (Father) SHU Lo Sun Ying (Mother) It is believed that both parents passed away in China, sometime between 1950 and 1952. Mary HSU arrived in Sydney, Australia, from Hong Kong after leaving China in 1952. She arrived in Australia, initially Sydney and then came to Melbourne, Victoria on the ship, "TAIYUAN", arriving on the 4th April, 1957. Mary HSU became a naturalised Australian citizen on the 17th April, 1968. She did not marry and was a nursing aide in a Melbourne Hospital. It is believed she had a Godfather - James A. HUANG, who went to live in Berkeley, California, U.S.A. It is also thought that a some of her relatives migrated to the USA from Hong Kong. I would appreciate help with: * How to get a copy of Mary HSU's birth record? * How to get copies or any further information of her parents' death records.? * How to find out if she had any other brothers and sisters? * Any information on the family, especially if any still in China, or those who went to the U.S.A.? NOTE: For anyone who is interested, I have a copy of the passenger list of the TAIYUAN. The ship went from Japan to Hong Kong to Manilla and then Australia. There were 18 passengers on the ship. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, David ******************************************** David W.Weatherill dww@statetrustees.com.au Genealogical Services, State Trustees, GPO Box 2462V, Melbourne Victoria 3001 Australia Phone: Int+61-3-9667-6340 Fax: Int+61-3-9667-6776 ******************************************** ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. State Trustees Limited www.statetrustees.com.au **********************************************************************