I believe that there are about 70 people subscribing to this e-mail list. That is a small number of people constantly receiving mailings to this list. Earlier, I asked if there were any descendants of Chow Shun Cheong subscribing to this list and got no reply. I, also, asked if anyone was familiar with Chow Shun Cheong's genealogy tree and, also, got no reply. In an earlier posting, I, mentioned that if anyone wants help with their family genealogy they should ban together, network with others. By volunteering to help others, in the general community, find their genealogy, you will have a better idea of you own tree. I would assume that most people aren't interested in helping others and will drop out of this group in a very short time, if no one responds to them by e-mail. In a small group of 70, it is very unlikely that anyone in the group will have information on your roots. I, also, suspect that some of the subscribers to this group are professional genealogist. Probably, even from Cyndi's. I do genealogy work as a layman for the Chinese community in Hawaii, so I'll be around on this mailing list for some time. If anyone wants to communicate with me by private e-mail about Chinese genealogy in general or about Chinese genealogy from the Chungshan District in mainland China (this includes Hawaii's Chinese community genealogy), please write. If you are having trouble finding your family's genealogy and want others to help you, sometimes you have to volunteer to help others in order to eventually be able to find yours. By writing to me and volunteering to help others, you may gain the knowledge to find your roots. My family tree is partially published at my website http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html. It is in 16 plus volumns of writings, all in Chinese, and goes back to 2205 BC and earlier. I have a small library of between 40 to 60 Chinese surnames. If someone puts a notice in this mailing list asking for genealogy information, I would have to take weeks to months to find your genealogy, doing it full time. That is too much work and so volunteers are needed. Please write to me in private to inquire as to what volunteering is all about. Lastly, not many Chinese know the Imperial history of China's Imperial family. Not even many of Hawaii's local Chinese. If you last name is Chow, Chang, Lum, Wong, Ching, Ing, Goo, Sun, Ho, Choy, Dang, Young, Siu, Yap, Lai, Mao, Kwock, Loui, or Lau then you belong to the Chou Dynasty and are an Imperial Chinese prince or princess. In order to find your genealogy, it's best to write me and volunteer to help others. In the process you may likely find yours! Write or call: Lester D. K. Chow P.o. Box 4604 Honolulu, Hawaii 96812 (808) 538-1855 lchow@lava.net -- Lester D. K. Chow and Associates, International Political Consultants and Conflict Resolution Specialists. http://lchow.webvis.net/temp.html Official representative for China's Imperial family, for those members who reside abroad in the United States of America.

Dear Jeff, My mother is a Cheung and she is part Hakka as well. Unfortunately, I know even less about her family than you do of yours. Maybe someone here can help us. I do find it interesting that she is Hakka and has the same last name, too. SN

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/307 Surname: SEOW, CHUNG ------------------------- I am trying to trace my family tree back to its origins in China, locate relatives I never knew I had and connect all internet enabled relatives via a family portal. I am decended from Rodney Kok Ming SEOW (Hockien) and Ivy Guat Kheng CHUNG (Hakka). Rodney Kok Ming Seow is decended of Duke Siew / Sieu Jin SEOW decended from Pho Leng SEOW decended from Chye Watt SEOW. Ivy Guat Kheng Chung is decended from Thye Phin CHUNG decended from Keng Quee / Kooi / Kwee CHUNG. Anyone having any information please eMail me at jeffery_seow@yahoo.com thanks. Jeff

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/306 Surname: Au, Cheong ------------------------- Hi! I live in Nova Scotia and my grandfather was born in Tan Wo Lee, Chiek Sui, Hoping Yuen, Canton China. I was told he came to Canada as a boy with his Uncle & stayed here. He would have been born about 1895 or 1896. He had to change his name in Canada back then so he chose Herbert (Harry) Taylor for reasons we don't know. Perhaps he was friends with someone who had Taylor as a last name? He always sent money back to his family in China but we know very little about him as he died from Asthma complications when my father was a teenager. My grandfather owned a restaurant; laundry and a photo studio in Truro, N.S. then in Yarmouth, N.S. where he died & is buried there. We were told his business had to be sold way back then, to pay for his medical bills. I have always DREAMED of connecting with relatives in China and finally the internet may be one way to make my dream happen. I'm new to the internet so if anyone reading this may know of info to point me in the right direction - please let me know. I have found out that his surname 'Au' is a common name in China - especially in the Canton region. My grandfathers fathers name was: Au Kong and thats all I know. Please contact me if this rings any bells! Best wishes in your search as well!

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/304 Surname: Li, Lee ------------------------- Hi Al. Have sent a more detailed email, but basically I had my ggf gravestone translated by a lecturer at a Melbourne univeristy. He provided me with as much detail as posible. In addition to location there was also dates etc. It was a long time ago and thought I would not be able to get any further until I stumbled upon this site recently.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/303 Surname: ------------------------- Can you identify which "ning" means five? Also describe the meaning of "Mut Ch'ung". What clues led you to believe your ggf came from Taishan district and not one of the others?

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/302 Surname: Li, Lee ------------------------- I am seeking information on my family (Li). My great grandfather Li Chi Chun came to Australia during the 1850's. On his grave it states he originated from the mouth of dragon hill (Loong-Kong-Chui) County of five districts (Ning-Yip) in the sub-division of Mut-Ch'ung. I have been unable to confirm this location in modern day China but believe it was in a region now known as Tai-san. I also have been unable to identify this location on any map to date. His father is believed to have been named Li Yan Goon and mother Ye Malley. Any information on the family and location will be greatly appreciated.

Dear China Son of and other list members: This message is NOT appropriate for the CHINA-L or CHINA-D lists. Please do not discuss this issue further or I will have to unsubscribe everyone who ignores this warning. CHINA-L and CHINA-D are for discussions of FAMILY HISTORY, not politics or human rights issues. I don't care how sad a story is or how much a person or a group of people may have actually been wronged, this is NOT the place to talk about it. Again, this list is for the discussion of genealogy and family history, not anything else. Sincerely, Dave Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan -----Original Message----- From: China Son of [mailto:luvchina2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:44 AM To: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHINA] Looking for help from fellow Chinese! Fellow Chinese brothers and sisters, First, I would like to apologise if I have written to the wrong place. As I do not know where to send this letter, I'm very hopeful that some one would help me forward this letter to the right place in the Government of the People's Republic of China. It is about the plight of the Stateless Chinese in Brunei Darussalam. There are at present some 50,000 persons of Chinese ancestry in Brunei Darussalam. Among them, 48% are temporary residents of foreign citizenships (mostly Malaysians), and the rest are permanent residents being divided into those with Brunei citizenship, 23%, and those with no citizenship 29%. In Brunei Darussalam, Stateless Chinese numbers some 14,500. This is quite a big number when comparing to the country's population of only some 340,000. They are the Chinese who possess no nationality. While the PRC Government had negotiated/resolved with Brunei's neighbouring countries in the past few decades regarding the issue of the Stateless Chinese there, the Stateless Chinese in Brunei have been ignored. All the Stateless Chinese in Brunei are either immigrants or descendants of the Chinese who fled turbulent Mainland China in the period between 1931 to 1947 to seek fortune overseas. The main goal of these recent immigrants is to make enough money and return to their beloved Motherland to reunite with their families and help rebuild the nation. However, after the liberation in 1949 and the founding of the People's Republic, these overseas Chinese did not return out of suspicion and fears of the new government due to early propaganda by the pro-Nationalists supporters. And because of this, the Chinese in Brunei had become "Stateless", for the Republic of China had ceased to exist. Despite stranded in a foreign country for decades, we, the Stateless Chinese are still very much emotionally attached to China and still call ourselves "Zhongguoren":(People of China) . I think the story is similar to the stories of how the Chinese became stateless in other countries in Southeast Asia. When the British left Brunei in 1984 (Brunei was a British protectorate state), they did not resolved the issue of Brunei Citizenship. This irresponsible act of the British of leaving us in our plight had caused us much disappointment. When Brunei and China established diplomatic ties in the past few years, we have been placing our hope on the PRC Government to help us and resolve our Stateless problem, but we have been waiting and waiting, and this hope of ours seem to be very far reaching. To qualify for citizenship in Brunei, aliens have to have had 20 years' residence and pass Malay language tests (take place only when application is approved). Application for Brunei citizenship may take a very long time to process. Each year hundreds apply while only tens are called to sit for the Malay language tests. One can imagine just how long the whole process will take. And because of this, it almost impossible for the Stateless Chinese to acquire Brunei citizenship. Many Chinese thus became re-migrants, moving to North America and Australiasia I strongly believe that we have the right to Chinese citizenship by the virtues of our ancestral and historical rights since we have never relinquished our loyalty and commitment to China. How can a person and his descendants lose their original nationality when they have never renounced it? China should confer on us Chinese citizenship before we acquire the citizenship of our adopted land. Has our beloved Motherland disown us, her children who love her so dearly? Son of China __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Fellow Chinese brothers and sisters, First, I would like to apologise if I have written to the wrong place. As I do not know where to send this letter, I'm very hopeful that some one would help me forward this letter to the right place in the Government of the People's Republic of China. It is about the plight of the Stateless Chinese in Brunei Darussalam. There are at present some 50,000 persons of Chinese ancestry in Brunei Darussalam. Among them, 48% are temporary residents of foreign citizenships (mostly Malaysians), and the rest are permanent residents being divided into those with Brunei citizenship, 23%, and those with no citizenship 29%. In Brunei Darussalam, Stateless Chinese numbers some 14,500. This is quite a big number when comparing to the country's population of only some 340,000. They are the Chinese who possess no nationality. While the PRC Government had negotiated/resolved with Brunei's neighbouring countries in the past few decades regarding the issue of the Stateless Chinese there, the Stateless Chinese in Brunei have been ignored. All the Stateless Chinese in Brunei are either immigrants or descendants of the Chinese who fled turbulent Mainland China in the period between 1931 to 1947 to seek fortune overseas. The main goal of these recent immigrants is to make enough money and return to their beloved Motherland to reunite with their families and help rebuild the nation. However, after the liberation in 1949 and the founding of the People's Republic, these overseas Chinese did not return out of suspicion and fears of the new government due to early propaganda by the pro-Nationalists supporters. And because of this, the Chinese in Brunei had become "Stateless", for the Republic of China had ceased to exist. Despite stranded in a foreign country for decades, we, the Stateless Chinese are still very much emotionally attached to China and still call ourselves "Zhongguoren":(People of China) . I think the story is similar to the stories of how the Chinese became stateless in other countries in Southeast Asia. When the British left Brunei in 1984 (Brunei was a British protectorate state), they did not resolved the issue of Brunei Citizenship. This irresponsible act of the British of leaving us in our plight had caused us much disappointment. When Brunei and China established diplomatic ties in the past few years, we have been placing our hope on the PRC Government to help us and resolve our Stateless problem, but we have been waiting and waiting, and this hope of ours seem to be very far reaching. To qualify for citizenship in Brunei, aliens have to have had 20 years' residence and pass Malay language tests (take place only when application is approved). Application for Brunei citizenship may take a very long time to process. Each year hundreds apply while only tens are called to sit for the Malay language tests. One can imagine just how long the whole process will take. And because of this, it almost impossible for the Stateless Chinese to acquire Brunei citizenship. Many Chinese thus became re-migrants, moving to North America and Australiasia I strongly believe that we have the right to Chinese citizenship by the virtues of our ancestral and historical rights since we have never relinquished our loyalty and commitment to China. How can a person and his descendants lose their original nationality when they have never renounced it? China should confer on us Chinese citizenship before we acquire the citizenship of our adopted land. Has our beloved Motherland disown us, her children who love her so dearly? Son of China __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Posted on: General Taiwan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Taiwan/General/25 Surname: ------------------------- Sorry, Shu Ying, but we're not related.

I subscribe to this mailing list. It seems as if many people are searching for their roots and asking for help. For example, I have seen a number of postings saying something like "I am looking for information on ... " or "I am searching for the descendants of ... " Therefore, I thought that I would put my own request here. I am looking for descendants of Chow Shun Cheong, who lived in mainland China around 1620s to 1640s more or less. I possess a family genealogy chart that goes back to 2205 B.C. and I would like to update it and get all of the recent additions to my family. Chinese genealogy is a funny thing, where sometimes people do not keep track of who they are. Usually, the genealogy records are kept at the family temple as everyone is obligated to go there to worship. This is part of the Chinese custom and culture in the old days. Today, no one does that any more and genealogies get lost or misplaced. Chow P'an Lung, greatgrandfather to China's late premier Chow En-lai, is also my greatgrandfather. My family tree and family book is at minimum 16 or more volumns written in Chinese. There are millions of descendants, but very few people keeping up with the genealogy records. There are many Chinese in Hawaii related to me, but they either don't know it or refuse to join the family association and responsibly help maintain the family "chia pu" genealogy book. Perhaps, many Chinese of the Chow surname in Hawaii would be suprised to find out that we all are related. Please direct all inquiries to: Lester D. K. Chow P.O. Box 4604 Honolulu, Hawaii 96812 Tel: (808) 538-1855 Email: lchow@lava.net http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline Ps: The Chow clan represents China's current Imperial family and we would like to have a private family gathering this year. Please contact me, if your last name is Chow and if you would like to find your genealogy. Additionally, the following surnames come from the Chou Dynasty King's and Prince's descendancy: Chow (Chou, Zhou), Lum (Lin), Chang (Cheng), Goo (Ku), Wu (Wo, Woo), Ing (Ng), Ching (Cheng), Ho, Chiang, Mau (Mao), Choy (Tsai), Sun, Yap (Yip, Ye, Yeh), Wong (Wang), Lai, Kee (Ke), Kwock (Kwok, Kok, Kuo, Guo, Kop), Lau (Liu), Loui (Lui), Dang (Teng, Tang, Deng, Dung), Siu (Hsiu, Hsiao) and Young (Yang, Yong). The above surnames are all related as family, descending from one family patriarch. If your name is any one of the above, I would encourgae you to join the Chou Clansmen Association, China's Imperial family association of Chinese-Americans. Go to http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline for a membership application. Become part of our non-profit Chinese family society. Learn about your family history and roots! We help members find their genealogies. This is the best way to go! We maintain an extensive library of Chinese family genealogies. We are in need of members (volunteers) and in need of a Chinese genealogist. We are a non-profit, unincorporated Chinese family society. We, also, plan to hold a traditional Chinese grave and ancestral ceremony and hope that family members can come out and attend. Ching Ming Day for us in Hawaii will be held during the month of April 2001. Contact me for dates and details. This is a good time to renew your family bonds and to learn more about traditional China. -- Lester D. K. Chow and Associates, International Political Consultants and Conflict Resolution Specialists. http://lchow.webvis.net/temp.html Official representative for China's Imperial family, for those members who reside abroad in the United States of America.

Posted on: General Taiwan Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Taiwan/General/24 Surname: Wang ------------------------- Hi! I'm not sure if I have e-mailed u b4, but my mother's name is shu-hua wang. my grandfather's name is mao-chin wang and my grandmother's name is ying-cheih chen wang. well, e-mail me if its any help! bye

Posted on: General Tibet Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Tibet/General/3 Surname: Luwang, Mangang, Khuman ------------------------- I want to research of Luwang,Mangang and Khuman principality of Manipur( INDIA ). We found by our old resourses that we so called Manipuri or Meitei's are came from the place called KHAM NUNG SAWA. Which was in the trijuncture of tibet,china and mayanmar(burma).We crosed river on the way it Chindwin we call this river Ningthe Turen.That time approx 30 B.C.The Great Poireiton came to manipur.He was the younger brother of King Thongaren ( Tho nga rel ).Who was the ruler of Kham Nung Sawa.They call manipur as Tai Pang Pan. If any person have any information or interest in above topic pls e-mail me . My e-mail address is yubarajluwang@yahoo.com . Link: http://members.rediff.com/yubaraj/poirei.html URL: <http://members.rediff.com/yubaraj/index.htm>

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/301 Surname: GIN ------------------------- / .

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/China/General/300 Surname: ------------------------- I would love to hear from anyone who might be related to me. Chang was born in China in 1896 and came to America around 1912-approximately. He married and had two children Barbara & Richard in 1928-1930, and made his living as a cook at a restaurant in LA Chinatown. I am unsure if "Look" was translated from his original name, but would like to find out to make research easier.

Hi, I have just found a relative with his middle name as(Jacob) LOW(Riddle). My mother said there could have been some Chinese in our tree. This would have to have happened before 1860 in England I think. I hope this is a Chinese name that would be a bit of a challenge. Hope someone knows these people. Sheryl Reardon Toowoomba, Queensland. iroquala@one.net.au

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/299 Surname: Garcia, Huang, Demetria ------------------------- Enrique Demetria Garcia, born 1890 Iloilo Philippines. He said they would visit his grandparents in Amoy in the summer. The family name there was Huang. His mother's name was Marina Demetria. Was it customary for the Chinese to change their last names when they arrived in the Philippines? With such little information, any ideas how to research my Chinese roots? Thanks

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/297 Surname: Wah Sing, Wah Shung Wah Shing, Wah Sung Wah Sing ------------------------- Looking for WAH SHUNG WAH SHUNG may also be known as WAH SING or WAH SUNG WAH SING or similar b.1800s in Canton, China. Moved to Australia, changed his name to George WASHING and married Louisa MEYERS at Arrarat in Victoria, Australia about 1870. They had five children. Frederick George b.1871, Harriette b.1872, Charles Joseph b.1876, Alfred Louis b.1877(my great-grandfather) and Earnest James b.1879. I would like to correspond with anyone who may have information on this family. Claire KENNEDY (ckennedy1973@hotmail.com)

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/296 Surname: CHAU ------------------------- Oh, GOD !!! Midle name "DUC". I remember, my uncle(not direct by grandfather, and further above) once said that one my GRANDGRANDFATHER name :Chau Duc Khue, he directly from CHINA, very intelligent at this time, after him all my ancestor known language Chinese(write) for my grandfather.Just my father didn'nt know. did you receive my first email, chow0072000@yahoo.com

Posted on: General China Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General/295 Surname: CHAU ------------------------- My ancestor come to Vietnam more than 200 year ago,not middle name by tradition ( just since me start have middle name).Have TEMPLE MEMORY family CHAU in HUE city - Vietnam.I had not ever been, because I just back home Vietnam from Russia,where I graduated Master of Science.I known that 20 APRIL ( moon calendar ) is memory day for CHAU family in Vietnam,who died in this day? Send me information,please.This mean a lot to me too.In NHATRANG, in Ma Vong has "nghia trang " I seen "mot ngoi mo" nguoi HOA from HAINAM,still realitionship.