Hi everybody, I don't know if you have visited thie "immigrant ships transcribers guild" (http://www.istg.rootsweb.com/)but you could find some interesting informations about chinese people going trough the world in this site. Bye, bye, St�phanie BOUDET Lattes France

Hello David: Sorry about the delay in responding. A computer glitch had put me offline for a while. Here's the relevant info: Sue-A-Quan, Trev (1999): Cane Reapers: Chinese Indentured Immigrants in Guyana, Riftswood Publishing, Parksville, British Columbia, Canada. My hosting agency has simplified the website address (although the old one will still work): Please visit Chinese in Guyana: Their Roots http://CGRoots.tripod.com I have the above at home. Another source (authored by a list member), which I do not have, is: Sue-A-Quan, Trev (1999): Cane Reapers: Chinese Indentured Immigrants in Guyana. I don't have all the usual bibliographic information (i.e., publisher, city of publication; Trev, could you send that, please). More information about the book can be found at his Web site at http://members.tripod.com/~CGRoots.

Howdy! I just updated the entries in my bibliographic database. These sources can give you insight into how to learn about your family history, or else they offer insight into some of the causes of the Chinese diaspora. Byers,Paula K (Ed.) (1995): Asian American Genealogical Sourcebook. Gale Research Inc., New York. 280 pages. Chang, Leslie (1999): Beyond the Narrow Gate: The Journey of Four Chinese Women from the Middle Kingdom to Middle America. Dutton, New York. 289 pages. Ching, Frank (1988): Ancestors: 900 Years in the Life of a Chinese Family. Fawcett Columbine, New York. 528 pages. Hook, Brian; Twitchett, Denis (1991): The Cambridge Encyclopedia of China. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. 502 pages. Low, Jeanie W Chooey (1993): China Connection: Finding Ancestral Roots for Chinese in America. JWC Low Company, San Francisco. 65 pages. Pan, Lynn (1994): Sons of the Yellow Emperor. Kodansha International, New York. 419 pages. Pan, Lynn (1999): The Encyclopedia of the Chinese Overseas. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts. 399 pages. She, Colleen (1996): A Student's Guide to Chinese American Genealogy. Oryx Press, Phoenix, Arizona. 168 pages. I have the above at home. Another source (authored by a list member), which I do not have, is: Sue-A-Quan, Trev (1999): Cane Reapers: Chinese Indentured Immigrants in Guyana. I don't have all the usual bibliographic information (i.e., publisher, city of publication; Trev, could you send that, please). More information about the book can be found at his Web site at http://members.tripod.com/~CGRoots. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan

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----- Original Message ----- From: ytwd.jy <ytwd.jy@public1.wx.js.cn> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [CHINA] New welcome message for subscribers//////unsubscribe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David M. Lawrence <dave@fuzzo.com> > To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:01 PM > Subject: [CHINA] New welcome message for subscribers > > > > WELCOME TO THE CHINA GENEALOGY MAILING LIST! > > > > Revised October 24, 1999 > > > > Please keep this message. I recommend that you keep a copy on file in > > your computer as well as a printed paper copy that you can find easily. > > Read this message. Yes, I realize it is long but there is a lot of > > important information here. > > You may see some new terms and phrases here along with exacting > > instructions about sending commands etc. You will get used to it soon > > enough -- don't let it bother you. In order to make things work well you > > must follow instructions - to the letter. If you leave something out of a > > command or put something extra in, it won't work. This is because of the way > > computer programs work. > > The list manager is Dave Lawrence. I can be reached via e-mail at either > > dave@fuzzo.com or dml2s@earthlink.net. RootsWeb is the host for the mailing > > list. > > > > <<Irrelevant bit deleted here -- Dave>> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > QUICK INSTRUCTIONS > > PURPOSE > > SUGGESTIONS > > TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM > > E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE > > SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB > > (i.e.) subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. > > MISCELLANEOUS > > HELPFUL WEB SITES FOR MAILING LISTS > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > QUICK INSTRUCTIONS > > > > To subscribe, send an e-mail message to: > > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > > > In the body include only one word: subscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > To post messages to everyone on the list: > > CHINA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > PURPOSE > > > > The CHINA-L Mailing List is an e-mail discussion list for genealogical > > research of the Chinese people. The sons and daughters of the Yellow > > Emperor have spread across the globe. Thus the list is not restricted to > > the families in their ancestral lands. Discussion of migration patterns, > > emigration/immigration, historical sketches, settlements, census data, > > wills, clan genealogies, vital records, web sites, etc. as relates to the > > diverse peoples of China is encouraged. Public announcements of information > > of interest to Genealogists in general though it may not be CHINA-specific > > is permitted but please use discretion. > > Do not post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. For > > information on virus hoaxes and urban legends see > > http://www.kumite.com/myths/ among others. > > Please do not send file attachments (messages with files appended) to the > > list. If you have a file you would like to share with the members, announce > > what you have to offer, then send the file only to those who request it, via > > private email. CHINA is a diverse land with innumerable families and not > > everyone will want the data on your line. > > No rude comments or flaming is permitted on the list! No discussion of > > flaming is permitted on the list! For definitions of flaming and related > > information see http://www.man.ac.uk/~zlsiira/Netiquette/flame.html and > > http://www.pass.wayne.edu/~twk/flaming.html > > Do not impose any other rules or conditions, expressed or implied > > elsewhere, upon this list. Rules of other forums may not necessarily apply > > here. Do not try to regulate this list. If you do not like the way someone > > formats their queries or responses, or the content of their subject titles, > > take it up with the listowner, NOT on the list. The list is for genealogy > > and history. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > SUGGESTIONS: > > > > Try to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. Quoting > > the previous writer's signature block or surname list is totally > > unnecessary. > > Surname lists are okay but please try to limit them to say, half a dozen > > names. Any more than that and many people just won't read them. Try > > keeping several small lists and rotate them with each succeeding message. > > Accuracy is important and sources are vital. Ancestor lists are worthless > > if the information is wrong. > > All information need not be accompanied by source citations, but I do > > recommend strongly that posts either include sources or a note stating that > > they are available on request. > > If information is speculation then label it as such until it is proven or > > commonly accepted as fact. > > When posting your query try to give as much information as you know, i.e. > > dates and places of all vital events if known, along with enough other > > family members so that the reader can positively identify if they are > > researching the same family. "Anyone out there researching MYFAMILY?" just > > doesn't cut it. > > When replying to the list (this also can apply to private replies) try to > > quote some portions of the previous message so that other readers are > > reminded what the "thread" is about. Make it clear what is quoted material > > and what you are adding. Most mail readers take care of this for you by > > inserting greater-than signs ">" at the beginning of each quoted line or > > possibly double brackets "<<" before and ">>" after the quoted piece. Use > > standard procedures to "cut" unnecessary material. > > Post your query frequently, perhaps once a month, if you have not yet > > found your ancestor. New people are joining the list all the time and they > > may have the info you need. > > Please send replies to the list, not just to the original poster. Other > > members may benefit from the data that you provide. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM: > > > > CHINA-L is for individual messages to be delivered to your e-mail address. > > As each subscriber to the list sends messages to the list address, you will > > receive a copy of the message. 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To subscribe send an > > email message to: CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of > > the message: subscribe > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE: > > > > There are two separate e-mail addresses to use in order to participate in > > this list: > > > > To send MESSAGES to ALL subscribers on either version of the list use: > > CHINA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To send COMMANDS to the computer & SmartList software that runs this list > > use: > > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB: > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or make other changes to your mailing list > > subscription, you will send "commands" to the computer & the SmartList > > software on RootsWeb. > > > > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > > > To manage your subscription, send an e-mail message to the address above and > > use any of the following commands, typed within the body of your e-mail > > message. 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Some people do not have systems which can handle file > > attachments and it can wreak havoc with those systems. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Good Luck & Have Fun! > > > > Dave Lawrence > > dave@fuzzo.com > > http://fuzzo.com > > Many thanks to the folks at RootsWeb for hosting this mailing list and > > making our online genealogical research an easier & more productive > > activity! Please show them your support by visiting their web site and > > consider becoming a RootsWeb sponsor: > > > > RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > How to Subscribe to RootsWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription request is > > included below. > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > David M. 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----- Original Message ----- From: David M. Lawrence <dave@fuzzo.com> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: [CHINA] New welcome message for subscribers > WELCOME TO THE CHINA GENEALOGY MAILING LIST! > > Revised October 24, 1999 > > Please keep this message. I recommend that you keep a copy on file in > your computer as well as a printed paper copy that you can find easily. > Read this message. Yes, I realize it is long but there is a lot of > important information here. > You may see some new terms and phrases here along with exacting > instructions about sending commands etc. You will get used to it soon > enough -- don't let it bother you. In order to make things work well you > must follow instructions - to the letter. If you leave something out of a > command or put something extra in, it won't work. This is because of the way > computer programs work. > The list manager is Dave Lawrence. I can be reached via e-mail at either > dave@fuzzo.com or dml2s@earthlink.net. RootsWeb is the host for the mailing > list. > > <<Irrelevant bit deleted here -- Dave>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > QUICK INSTRUCTIONS > PURPOSE > SUGGESTIONS > TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM > E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE > SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB > (i.e.) subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. > MISCELLANEOUS > HELPFUL WEB SITES FOR MAILING LISTS > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > QUICK INSTRUCTIONS > > To subscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > In the body include only one word: subscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > To post messages to everyone on the list: > CHINA-L@rootsweb.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > PURPOSE > > The CHINA-L Mailing List is an e-mail discussion list for genealogical > research of the Chinese people. The sons and daughters of the Yellow > Emperor have spread across the globe. Thus the list is not restricted to > the families in their ancestral lands. Discussion of migration patterns, > emigration/immigration, historical sketches, settlements, census data, > wills, clan genealogies, vital records, web sites, etc. as relates to the > diverse peoples of China is encouraged. Public announcements of information > of interest to Genealogists in general though it may not be CHINA-specific > is permitted but please use discretion. > Do not post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. For > information on virus hoaxes and urban legends see > http://www.kumite.com/myths/ among others. > Please do not send file attachments (messages with files appended) to the > list. If you have a file you would like to share with the members, announce > what you have to offer, then send the file only to those who request it, via > private email. CHINA is a diverse land with innumerable families and not > everyone will want the data on your line. > No rude comments or flaming is permitted on the list! No discussion of > flaming is permitted on the list! For definitions of flaming and related > information see http://www.man.ac.uk/~zlsiira/Netiquette/flame.html and > http://www.pass.wayne.edu/~twk/flaming.html > Do not impose any other rules or conditions, expressed or implied > elsewhere, upon this list. Rules of other forums may not necessarily apply > here. Do not try to regulate this list. If you do not like the way someone > formats their queries or responses, or the content of their subject titles, > take it up with the listowner, NOT on the list. The list is for genealogy > and history. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SUGGESTIONS: > > Try to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the > message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other > readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. Quoting > the previous writer's signature block or surname list is totally > unnecessary. > Surname lists are okay but please try to limit them to say, half a dozen > names. Any more than that and many people just won't read them. Try > keeping several small lists and rotate them with each succeeding message. > Accuracy is important and sources are vital. Ancestor lists are worthless > if the information is wrong. > All information need not be accompanied by source citations, but I do > recommend strongly that posts either include sources or a note stating that > they are available on request. > If information is speculation then label it as such until it is proven or > commonly accepted as fact. > When posting your query try to give as much information as you know, i.e. > dates and places of all vital events if known, along with enough other > family members so that the reader can positively identify if they are > researching the same family. "Anyone out there researching MYFAMILY?" just > doesn't cut it. > When replying to the list (this also can apply to private replies) try to > quote some portions of the previous message so that other readers are > reminded what the "thread" is about. Make it clear what is quoted material > and what you are adding. Most mail readers take care of this for you by > inserting greater-than signs ">" at the beginning of each quoted line or > possibly double brackets "<<" before and ">>" after the quoted piece. Use > standard procedures to "cut" unnecessary material. > Post your query frequently, perhaps once a month, if you have not yet > found your ancestor. New people are joining the list all the time and they > may have the info you need. > Please send replies to the list, not just to the original poster. Other > members may benefit from the data that you provide. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM: > > CHINA-L is for individual messages to be delivered to your e-mail address. > As each subscriber to the list sends messages to the list address, you will > receive a copy of the message. To subscribe send an e-mail message to: > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: > subscribe > > CHINA-D is for a digest of several accumulated messages to be delivered to > your email address. As each subscriber to the list sends messages to the > list address, they are put into a digest to be delivered later. The digest > is generated approximately once a day and delivered to digest subscribers. > This option is handy for people who don't want multiple messages to > accumulate in their mail box. Keep in mind that the digest may not be > generated until a certain volume of notes is reached. To subscribe send an > email message to: CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of > the message: subscribe > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE: > > There are two separate e-mail addresses to use in order to participate in > this list: > > To send MESSAGES to ALL subscribers on either version of the list use: > CHINA-L@rootsweb.com > > To send COMMANDS to the computer & SmartList software that runs this list > use: > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB: > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or make other changes to your mailing list > subscription, you will send "commands" to the computer & the SmartList > software on RootsWeb. > > CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) > > To manage your subscription, send an e-mail message to the address above and > use any of the following commands, typed within the body of your e-mail > message. Type ONLY one of the commands as it is shown below. Do not add any > extra words or lines of text: > > subscribe > unsubscribe > get file welcome.txt > > Do NOT use a signature file attached to the e-mail message. The software > reads your message and tries to answer each command it finds. > When it runs across your signature file it gets a bit confused and will send > you a message stating something like 'Do not recognize command 'Jones'. Do > not recognize command "Smith", etc. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > MISCELLANEOUS > > Please do not send file attachments to the list. If you have a file that > you think folks might be interested in receiving, post a note to the list > asking for people to contact you directly if they are interested in > receiving the file. Some people do not have systems which can handle file > attachments and it can wreak havoc with those systems. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Good Luck & Have Fun! > > Dave Lawrence > dave@fuzzo.com > http://fuzzo.com > Many thanks to the folks at RootsWeb for hosting this mailing list and > making our online genealogical research an easier & more productive > activity! Please show them your support by visiting their web site and > consider becoming a RootsWeb sponsor: > > RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative > http://www.rootsweb.com > > How to Subscribe to RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription request is > included below. > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 > 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 > Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com > USA | http: http://fuzzo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo > > "No trespassing > 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan >

WELCOME TO THE CHINA GENEALOGY MAILING LIST! Revised October 24, 1999 Please keep this message. I recommend that you keep a copy on file in your computer as well as a printed paper copy that you can find easily. Read this message. Yes, I realize it is long but there is a lot of important information here. You may see some new terms and phrases here along with exacting instructions about sending commands etc. You will get used to it soon enough -- don't let it bother you. In order to make things work well you must follow instructions - to the letter. If you leave something out of a command or put something extra in, it won't work. This is because of the way computer programs work. The list manager is Dave Lawrence. I can be reached via e-mail at either dave@fuzzo.com or dml2s@earthlink.net. RootsWeb is the host for the mailing list. <<Irrelevant bit deleted here -- Dave>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUICK INSTRUCTIONS PURPOSE SUGGESTIONS TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB (i.e.) subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. MISCELLANEOUS HELPFUL WEB SITES FOR MAILING LISTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUICK INSTRUCTIONS To subscribe, send an e-mail message to: CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) In the body include only one word: subscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) To post messages to everyone on the list: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PURPOSE The CHINA-L Mailing List is an e-mail discussion list for genealogical research of the Chinese people. The sons and daughters of the Yellow Emperor have spread across the globe. Thus the list is not restricted to the families in their ancestral lands. Discussion of migration patterns, emigration/immigration, historical sketches, settlements, census data, wills, clan genealogies, vital records, web sites, etc. as relates to the diverse peoples of China is encouraged. Public announcements of information of interest to Genealogists in general though it may not be CHINA-specific is permitted but please use discretion. Do not post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. For information on virus hoaxes and urban legends see http://www.kumite.com/myths/ among others. Please do not send file attachments (messages with files appended) to the list. If you have a file you would like to share with the members, announce what you have to offer, then send the file only to those who request it, via private email. CHINA is a diverse land with innumerable families and not everyone will want the data on your line. No rude comments or flaming is permitted on the list! No discussion of flaming is permitted on the list! For definitions of flaming and related information see http://www.man.ac.uk/~zlsiira/Netiquette/flame.html and http://www.pass.wayne.edu/~twk/flaming.html Do not impose any other rules or conditions, expressed or implied elsewhere, upon this list. Rules of other forums may not necessarily apply here. Do not try to regulate this list. If you do not like the way someone formats their queries or responses, or the content of their subject titles, take it up with the listowner, NOT on the list. The list is for genealogy and history. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SUGGESTIONS: Try to keep quoting to a minimum. "Quoting" is repeating text of the message you are replying to. Some quoting is necessary to remind other readers what the thread is about but do try to use good judgement. Quoting the previous writer's signature block or surname list is totally unnecessary. Surname lists are okay but please try to limit them to say, half a dozen names. Any more than that and many people just won't read them. Try keeping several small lists and rotate them with each succeeding message. Accuracy is important and sources are vital. Ancestor lists are worthless if the information is wrong. All information need not be accompanied by source citations, but I do recommend strongly that posts either include sources or a note stating that they are available on request. If information is speculation then label it as such until it is proven or commonly accepted as fact. When posting your query try to give as much information as you know, i.e. dates and places of all vital events if known, along with enough other family members so that the reader can positively identify if they are researching the same family. "Anyone out there researching MYFAMILY?" just doesn't cut it. When replying to the list (this also can apply to private replies) try to quote some portions of the previous message so that other readers are reminded what the "thread" is about. Make it clear what is quoted material and what you are adding. Most mail readers take care of this for you by inserting greater-than signs ">" at the beginning of each quoted line or possibly double brackets "<<" before and ">>" after the quoted piece. Use standard procedures to "cut" unnecessary material. Post your query frequently, perhaps once a month, if you have not yet found your ancestor. New people are joining the list all the time and they may have the info you need. Please send replies to the list, not just to the original poster. Other members may benefit from the data that you provide. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TWO VERSIONS TO CHOOSE FROM: CHINA-L is for individual messages to be delivered to your e-mail address. As each subscriber to the list sends messages to the list address, you will receive a copy of the message. To subscribe send an e-mail message to: CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: subscribe CHINA-D is for a digest of several accumulated messages to be delivered to your email address. As each subscriber to the list sends messages to the list address, they are put into a digest to be delivered later. The digest is generated approximately once a day and delivered to digest subscribers. This option is handy for people who don't want multiple messages to accumulate in their mail box. Keep in mind that the digest may not be generated until a certain volume of notes is reached. To subscribe send an email message to: CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: subscribe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO USE: There are two separate e-mail addresses to use in order to participate in this list: To send MESSAGES to ALL subscribers on either version of the list use: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com To send COMMANDS to the computer & SmartList software that runs this list use: CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SENDING COMMANDS TO SMARTLIST & ROOTSWEB: To subscribe, unsubscribe or make other changes to your mailing list subscription, you will send "commands" to the computer & the SmartList software on RootsWeb. CHINA-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CHINA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) To manage your subscription, send an e-mail message to the address above and use any of the following commands, typed within the body of your e-mail message. Type ONLY one of the commands as it is shown below. Do not add any extra words or lines of text: subscribe unsubscribe get file welcome.txt Do NOT use a signature file attached to the e-mail message. The software reads your message and tries to answer each command it finds. When it runs across your signature file it gets a bit confused and will send you a message stating something like 'Do not recognize command 'Jones'. Do not recognize command "Smith", etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MISCELLANEOUS Please do not send file attachments to the list. If you have a file that you think folks might be interested in receiving, post a note to the list asking for people to contact you directly if they are interested in receiving the file. Some people do not have systems which can handle file attachments and it can wreak havoc with those systems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good Luck & Have Fun! Dave Lawrence dave@fuzzo.com http://fuzzo.com Many thanks to the folks at RootsWeb for hosting this mailing list and making our online genealogical research an easier & more productive activity! Please show them your support by visiting their web site and consider becoming a RootsWeb sponsor: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com How to Subscribe to RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription request is included below. -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David M. 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Thanks for your input. The person is not translating it, just wants to know for sure which is the last name and which is the first name. Your input was helpful and I will pass it on to her. The project we are working on is to transcribe the passenger lists of all the ships which brought immigrants to America, so that people working on their family history can find some more information about when, how and how many of their ancestors came to the U.S. In most cases the descendaants cannot read the originl language of thier ancestors (this is probably especially true of the Japanese and Chinese), so we attempt to transcribe whatever was written down by the ship's transcriber--but at least we should be able to determine which name is the last one! Julie Hu hufmily@ms1.isnet.com.tw K.Y. Lee wrote: K.Y. Lee wrote: > On 21 Oct 99, at 23:19, j&j wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I belong to a group that transcribes ship lists. Recently, one of our > > members has been having difficulty figuring out some Chinese names on one > > of them, and asked me for help. Since I am more familiar with Mandarin, I > > could not advise her very well. These seem to be Cantonese names, > > transcribed probably by non-Chinese speakers. She gave me a sample which I > > have copied below. Would appreciate it if any of you could suggest how to > > figure out which is the first and which is the last name on these! > > > > > > "Here is most of the list, I included a couple "English" names so you > > could > > see the format. To me the rest look as if they were listed as last name > > > > first, in the same manner that an oriental might speak his name?? Hey, I'm > > really only guessing, hope you can shed some light on this. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- Peter > > Miller * Male United States United States > > Geo. W. Gale * Male United States United > > States Look Ling 35 Male Merchant China > > United States Look Hong 28 Male Merchant China > > United States Wing Jim 30 Male Merchant China > > United States Wing Bow 40 Male Merchant China > > United States Lou Suie 32 Male Merchant China > > United States Ching Chung Yee 42 Male Doctor of Medicine > > China United States Wong Mon 32 Male Merchant > > China United States Tom Sing 35 Male Merchant > > China United States Dong Ling 27 8 Male Merchant > > China United States Sig Wang 10 Male None > > China United States Gong See 20 Female > > None China United States Goon Gang 13 > > Female None China United > > > > > > Julie, > > What language are you translating it to? Back to Chinese? > > >From the look of it, the format for the English names are "First" & "Last" > and the opposite for the Chinese names. If you have access to the > "Hundred SUrname" list amd read Chinese then it would be relatively > easy by referring to the surname appearing there. For example "Gong > See" should be "Jiang Sie" or the 141st name on the list. This way at > least we have the surnames correct. > > KY Lee > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > _________________________________________________________ > Certainty is the mother of quiet and repose, and uncertainty the cause of variance and contentions. > -- Sir Edward Coke

Dear List, I belong to a group that transcribes ship lists. Recently, one of our members has been having difficulty figuring out some Chinese names on one of them, and asked me for help. Since I am more familiar with Mandarin, I could not advise her very well. These seem to be Cantonese names, transcribed probably by non-Chinese speakers. She gave me a sample which I have copied below. Would appreciate it if any of you could suggest how to figure out which is the first and which is the last name on these! "Here is most of the list, I included a couple "English" names so you could see the format. To me the rest look as if they were listed as last name first, in the same manner that an oriental might speak his name?? Hey, I'm really only guessing, hope you can shed some light on this. - ------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Miller * Male United States United States Geo. W. Gale * Male United States United States Look Ling 35 Male Merchant China United States Look Hong 28 Male Merchant China United States Wing Jim 30 Male Merchant China United States Wing Bow 40 Male Merchant China United States Lou Suie 32 Male Merchant China United States Ching Chung Yee 42 Male Doctor of Medicine China United States Wong Mon 32 Male Merchant China United States Tom Sing 35 Male Merchant China United States Dong Ling 27 8 Male Merchant China United States Sig Wang 10 Male None China United States Gong See 20 Female None China United States Goon Gang 13 Female None China United > Thanks. Julie Hu hufamily@ms1.isnet.com.tw

Unfortunately I have no idea when or how my Chinese ancestors emigrated to the United States. I have plenty of records of my great-grandfather's travels between the U.S. and China, but this is based on the few records that survived the great burning that my great-grandmother perpetrated after his death. I'm sure that I could now corroborate the information by looking at immigration records from the Port of San Francisco and other places. But I haven't tried searching for immigration data for his parents. My great-grandmother, half-Chinese and half-Mexican, was orphaned (or abandoned) and adopted by a couple of old Catholic ladies in Michigan. I doubt I'll ever find out anything about her birth parents. One thing, as many of you may know, names were often changed to reflect the culture of the nation of residence. For example, my great-grandfathers actual name was Yee Jock-Leong. Somehow that was Americanized into Yee Jackson. My grandmother was alternately known as Yut-Seul Yee or Yut-Seul Jackson. I've wasted a number of hours searching for records of Yee Jock-Leong in census or other records, when the family might actually known as the Jacksons. Later, Dave - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan -----Original Message----- From: TBoudet@aol.com [mailto:TBoudet@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 5:23 PM To: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Shangai (from listowner) I am totaly agree with you... Then to take for example you tree, could you tell me if you have found any information about the travel of your first ancestor from china to usa ! How did he do that ? How many time he spend ? These answers could help me in my private recherchs. Stéphanie BOUDET France

I am totaly agree with you... Then to take for example you tree, could you tell me if you have found any information about the travel of your first ancestor from china to usa ! How did he do that ? How many time he spend ? These answers could help me in my private recherchs. St�phanie BOUDET France

Hi David, and all, David, thanks for your good example, and the information. I will send a few bits and pieces of info I have picked up recently. First, I have to tell you how much I enjoy your humor...I went to your web page, and enjoyed the obituary you wrote for yourself! (But please don't leave us!) I am currently using this book, which is very informative: Sons of the Yellow Emperor: A History of the Chinese Diaspora, by Lynn Pan. 1990. Not a genealogy, but many many Chinese names are mentioned, and indexed. Also has an extensive bibliography. This is a library book, but I could do look-ups for the next week, IF my computer continues to work...am having some trouble with it. There is also a great new LARGE book, The Encyclopedia of China, which helps me understand names, traditions, religion, regions, etc. (This one is not in my local library, and is a reference book, so I copy little bits at a time). The surname I am searching is HUE, which is a Hakka surname. I have learned that the Hakka clans lived together in community houses, some of which could house several hundred people. They were forced out of the north of China by the Manchurians many centuries ago, and had to settle in areas to the south which were already "owned" by other groups. ( I am still not sure when to use the terms "clans", "tribes", etc. Could you help me here please? ) Therefore the Hakka lived and moved together in large numbers, so they could protect themselves. Also, they were the only Chinese tribe that did not bind the feet of their women...the women had to be hardy, and able to travel well if they were forced to move on. Can anyone tell me the proper way to refer to the Hakka...are they a clan...or a tribe of many clans. Do people with the surname HUE make up only one group of a clan? Would be grateful for your help. Joann

Howdy! We should be careful how we respond to our fellow listmembers in order to avoid misunderstandings. Remember, in email-land the recipient can't see the smile in the sender's eyes and understand the comment was meant to be a joke. All they see is plain text, without inflection or added gesture, and before long feelings are hurt when no offense was intended. The list has been quiet lately. The list membership is quite small while the group under discussion represents the single biggest mass of humanity on Earth. It will likely be a LONG time before anyone meets a cousin here in cyberspace. For those of you seeking connections, I suggest that you do more than ask if anyone knows about the family you are interested in. Share what you know as well, such as the names of parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles as well as dates and places of residence. The additional information will increase your odds of making the connection you seek (why am I beginning to sound like some dating service?). For example, here's my Chinese ancestry: Descendants of YEE Kim Wo Generation One 1. YEE KIM WO was born at China. He died at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA. He married Wong Shee. He was a Merchant. Children of Yee Kim Wo and Wong Shee were: 2. i. JOCK LEONG, born 15 Jan 1884 at 741 Sacramento Street, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA; married Myrtle Robinson. Generation Two 2. YEE JOCK LEONG (Kim Wo) was born on 15 Jan 1884 at 741 Sacramento Street, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. He married Myrtle Robinson, adopted daughter of Katherine Scott and Hannah M. Robinson, on 17 Dec 1915. He died on 5 Dec 1938 at Dayton, Mongtomery, OH, at age 54. Children of Yee Jock Leong and Myrtle Robinson all born at Dayton, Montgomery, OH, were as follows: 3. i. YUT SEUL3, born 5 Nov 1920; married Charles James Kassay. ii. POY QUON JACKSON; born 28 Feb 1924; died before 11 Jan 1926 at Woodland Cemetery, Dayton, Montgomery, OH, USA. iii. YET YUT MOY JACKSON; born 20 Feb 1926; died after 20 Feb 1926 at Dayton, Montgomery, OH. Generation Three 3. YUT SEUL YEE (Jock Leong, Kim Wo) was born on 5 Nov 1920 at Dayton, Montgomery, OH. She married Charles James Kassay, son of Elmer Kassay and Rhoda Anthony, circa 1958 at Whippany, Morris, NJ. She died on 12 Jun 1979 at Coopers Mills, Kennebec, ME, at age 58. Children of Yut Seul Yee and Charles James Kassay were: 4. i. KATHLEEN MARIE, born 7 Jul 1941 at Dayton, Montgomery, OH; married George Marion Lawrence. Generation Four 4. KATHLEEN MARIE YEE (Yut Seul, Jock Leong, Kim Wo) was born on 7 Jul 1941 at Dayton, Montgomery, OH. She married George Marion Lawrence, son of George William Fulton Lawrence and Frances Marie Robinson, on 5 Nov 1960 at Chicopee Falls, Hampden, MA. Children of Kathleen Marie Yee and George Marion Lawrence were: 5. i. DAVID MEADE, born 12 Nov 1961 at Westover Air Force Base, Hampden, MA; married Alison Mary Sinclair. Generation Five 5. DAVID MEADE LAWRENCE (Kathleen Yee, Yut Seul, Jock Leong, Kim Wo) was born on 12 Nov 1961 at Westover Air Force Base, Hampden, MA. He married Alison Mary Sinclair, daughter of Ian Barlow Sinclair and Frances Marie Zallar, on 13 Oct 1991 at Charlottesville, Albermarle, VA. That's all for my line. I now have several references on Chinese genealogy and can do lookups on sources, etc., but not on specific families. I also hope to use this information to beef up the ChinaGenWeb and TaiwanGenWeb sites, which I administer in addition to this list and the China and Taiwan GenConnect boards. Colleen She. 1996. A Student's Guide to Chinese American Genealogy (Oryx American Family Tree Series). Oryx Press, Phoenix, Ariz. Jeanie W. Low. 1994. China Connection : Finding Ancestral Roots for Chinese in America. J.W.C. Low Company, San Francisco. Paula K. Byers, ed. 1995. Asian American Genealogical Sourcebook (Genealogy Sourcebook Series). Gale Research Inc., Detroit, Mich. I would appreciate it if anyone could inform me of other good reference sources on China. I'm not looking for just genealogical information, but encyclopedic, geographic and historical references as well. And here are some other resources you may find helpful on the web: China GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General Taiwan GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Taiwan/General ChinaGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~chnwgw/ TaiwanGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~twnwgw/ There is also my web site at: http://fuzzo.com/genealogy/ Later, Dave - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David M. Lawrence | Home: (804) 559-9786 9272-G Hanover Crossing Drive | Fax: (804) 559-9787 Mechanicsville, VA 23116 | Email: dave@fuzzo.com USA | http: http://fuzzo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo "No trespassing 4/17 of a haiku" -- Richard Brautigan -----Original Message----- From: Hans Rerup [mailto:hrerup@direct.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:57 PM To: CHINA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Shangai Hi I don't anybody has forgotten you. But I don't have any information for you Hans Rerup ---------- > Hi everybody, > I heard nothing from > the liste since a long time > did you forget helping people > I would like having informations > about boat travels between > china and french west indies. > if someone knows something.. > > Stéphanie TAMAS BOUDET > >

Hi I don't anybody has forgotten you. But I don't have any information for you Hans Rerup ---------- > Hi everybody, > I heard nothing from > the liste since a long time > did you forget helping people > I would like having informations > about boat travels between > china and french west indies. > if someone knows something.. > > Stéphanie TAMAS BOUDET > >

Hi everybody, I heard nothing from the liste since a long time did you forget helping people I would like having informations about boat travels between china and french west indies. if someone knows something.. Stéphanie TAMAS BOUDET

Hy, is anyone researching surnames ITANI ITANY YTANY YTANI mailto:adelitani@innocent.com

Subject: Re: Shanghai Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:12:05 -0400 From: Joan Levin <jlevin@downeast.net> To: TBoudet@aol.com Hi Stephanie, I am searching for Geow HUE, a Hakka who immigrated to Jamaica, but much later than your ancestor. You did not say what island(s) you were interested, or what clan Zum Fo Lo belonged to. I don't know specifically about ships passengers' lists from China, but you may get help here: One great place on the Net is: The Chinese in Guyana. This has some passenger lists, a place to enter a search for your ancestor, and other helpful information. This is the site of Trev-Sue-A-Quan, who wrote the book CANEREAPERS: Chinese Indentured Immigrants in Guyana. http://members.tripod.com/~CGRoots/ On the Caribbean GenWeb, you post your names, read queries from others. You have to click on the name of your island as it moves across the screen: http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ In her book : JAMAICAN ANCESTRY: HOW TO FIND OUT MORE, Madeleine E. Mitchell recommends these books: THE CHINESE IN JAMAICA, edited by Lee Tom Yin (Kingston: Chung San News, 1963, 260 pgs. Here is a quote from Ms. Mitchell: According to Yin, "the Chinese came in three waves: The first arrivals were in 1854, when 472 Chinese labourers on the railway contruction in Panama demanded to leave Panama. They were sent to Jamaica, but many were already ill and most died. The second wave came in 1864-70, and was 200 persons from Trinidad and British Guiana. Tje third wave was 680 direct from China via Hong Kong consisting of 501 men, 105 women, 54 girls and 3 babies." The majority of these people, Ms. Mitchell says, were Hakka people from Tung-Kuan, Wei-yagn, and Pao-an in Kwangtung province. If your ancestor went to Jamaica, do buy Madeleine Mitchell's book...it tells all about records and researching. She also has two websites with information on doing research in Jamaica. Even if you are not interested in Jamaica, go to this site, and click on NEW SURNAMES LIST, where you can plaace your ancestors name on the island he immigrated to, or to a general West Indies list, if you don't know the exact place. Here it would be good to join the Caribbean-L list, too. They are very helpful, and there are a few people doing research on Chinese ancestors. http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm Best of luck, Joann Levin Ellsworth, ME, USA

Hi everybody, I am a bit afraid, I don't find any mails since a long time. What happens ! Does anyone could help me to know how the chines come to the west-indies during 1800-1850. I am looking for my chinese ancestor Mr ZUM FO LO (Phoneticly speaking) If you have information about boats companies books about this time and so; Send me them asap Thanks Stéphanie BOUDET Lattes FRANCE