Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=201 Surname: Kak ------------------------- Hi Graham - I feel for you, I'm up against a brick wall too, but mine is not a problem of translation, rather of discovery!!! I don't know if I can help or not, but I have Chinese friends who, I'm sure, would try to translate the inscription on the tombstone if you could scan the photo and send it to me as an attachment. No promises, mind, but I think we might yet work something out. There is another site for tracing families (perhaps we should wait until we see if the translation works first), but it is mostly in Chinese except for the introduction. The address is www.xungen.com and it is reputed to have connections to one of the greatest Chinese family history collections in the world (I think in the University of Shanghai Library). Can't swear to its value as I don't read Chinese. Think about the scanning possibility and let me know. Philippa Harvey

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=200 Surname: Hong ------------------------- Yap John Hong born about 1828 in Amoy China immigrated to Australia pre 1860 settled in the area of Mudgee New South Wales Australia would like to know about his Chinese origins he married Margaret Lawrence.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=199 Surname: PAN, CHANG ------------------------- My great-grandfather was born in Amoy in about 1824. His father was Fu Pan, his mother was Nam Chang. He came to Australia in about 1850 and somewhere between then and when he was married (in Queensland in 1864) his name was changed to Davidson. I have no way of discovering his Chinese name or any particulars of his origin. Any assistance would be gratefully received!!!

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=198 Surname: Young, Sue ------------------------- Searching for information regarding Chinese lineage on my great grandfather Chew Kam YOUNG who immigrated to Honolulu, HI from China around 1905. He started a new family marrying Phoebe Sue from Guyana. They had around 5 children, 4 living to adulthood. They owned a market at 1414 Farrington St., Honolulu. He died in Honolulu between 1918 and 1925. I suspect his remains were then taken back to China.

This may not be the right list for my question but I will ask it anyway and will be grateful for any suggestions. My British grandfather lived in Hong Kong and Macao and married a citizen of France in Hong Kong in 1888. I have been unable to find their marriage record though I have his letter saying he'd been to both the English and French embassies to record it legally in both countries. Does anyone know how I can find this record? Hsieh hsieh nimen, Judy Watten northern California

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=197 Surname: KEW ------------------------- Great grandfather Ah KEW. From Canton or a village near Canton, China. Born about 1849. Went to Australia in 1875 on the ship MARINER. He went to the Victorian goldfields. Married Elizabeth Butler. His son Robert was my grandfather. We have no record of his death or whether he returned to China. Not heard of after about 1885. Children were George, Edward, Charlotte, Arthur,Robert, Eliza and Frederick.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=194 Surname: WONG, FONG, PENYUNG ------------------------- Searching for great grandfather's roots b. 1891 as Fong Wong or also as Penyung Wong fr. Canton, China. Migrated to Fiji Islands and married with 3 children. The oldest being my grandfather. Was also supposedly married in China but no information as to whom or if any child(ren).

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=193 Surname: ENG ------------------------- my last name is spelled Eng (five in chinese), and we're from toishan. my grandfather, thomas fon lem eng came to the US in 1937 when he was 12 years old. he has a brother (in new york) and sister (in texas). his father's name is goot foot eng, and he was also here in the states. if anyone has any advice on genealogy research, please let me know! e-mail eng916@hotmail.com thanks, karen

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Graham Tuckerman wrote: > Posted on: General China Query Forum > Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=192 > > Surname: KAK > ------------------------- > > Morning All, > Looking for info as to direction I should take to trace Greatgrand Father, > Joe KAK, death cert only says born Canton, no dates & lots of "unknowns". > Family traditons says he was a Market gardener in NZ, fathered two children > (one my grand mother), died Blenheim NZ. Need help in name usage, have > gravestone that I need translated (photo). really just need lots of help, > pls > regards Tuck West Australia Suggestions on researching Chinese genealogy: (My own personal experience and other things) 1. In order to research Chinese genealogy, you would need to speak to all persons possible. Family members and friends or work acquaintances of the deceased. Sometimes, non-family members or extended kin may know more about the deseased than family. 2. Check all legal records, marriage, birth, or church membership list. 3. Check with local Chinese societies, organizations, and business associations. 4. Check shipping records. 5. Speak to Chinese people in the community as they may be of some help. You need to do all of the above, if you want to find your family's Chinese genealogy. Sometimes, a person's father or grandfather may not know of records, yet records do exist, possibly kept by a distant clan cousin, four to thirty-six generations removed. 6. Check with genealogy libraries like the Mormon Family Center. Though I have never used their services, xungen.com may be a good place to go for help. 7. Many of the major universities may have information on Chinese genealogy and how to go about researching Chinese roots. Some of these books will be written in Chinese, so you'll need to find someone who can read Chinese, in your area, to help you. 8. Save every bit of information that you can find, even if it does not appear to be too important. What you save may one day turn out to be very helpful in your genealogy search. 9. Volunteer your time and help some Chinese clan society or organization. Many of these organizations, like mine, are short staffed and would welcome your help. Life is not merely asking for free information and help from others, but it (life) involves our helping others, too. When you give to others, people will give back to you many times over. So, a search in genealogy is not merely getting, but giving, too. 10. The way I learnt to do genealogy research was by my putting into practice family principles. As a young boy, I had to learn respect of my elders. I worked as a child and youth, whenever I was taken to my grandparent's house. I was taught to listen to people and to be polite, never to talk back or demand my own ways. When I would visit relative's homes, I would always bring a small gift, usually, food or something like that, to show them that I truely cared about their welfare and I was not just there to get or take from them. When I needed genealogy information relatives would freely volunteer information to me, because of the respect that I had earned and because they had come to know me and have placed their trust in me as a person. Within the Chinese community, many Chinese people withheld their family genealogies from kin, because they felt that their kin were unworthy. Many Chinese went to the grave with the knowledge of their genealogies, only because they felt that they were mistreated and not given the proper respect. The Chinese community that I do know and have come to learn about is an ancient community, where ethics was not enforced by American law, but by traditional Chinese custom. So, by giving, true behavior, sincerely, over a time period, Chinese people (some Chinese people) will learn about you and will gain your trust. Many have volunteered their family trees to my keeping, done in the above manner. When you help others, others would be more willing to help you. Sometimes, Chinese people will tell you that they don't have any genealogy records, (you) only latter to find that they had given that information out to other clan relatives. 11. You could pay a professional genealogy researcher. It cost about $160 per hour with no guarantee of finding anything. 12. If your family surname is Chou Dynasty based, the best person to speak with is myself. I may not, in many cases (thinking worldwide), be able to find your ancestry, but I may be able to provide information that will help in your genealogy search. I am, additionally, able to provide you with a copyright background on your family surname, history going back to early and pre-history China. The Chou clan organization does genealogy research as well as houses Chinese family genealogies going back to the year (approx) 2200 BC and earlier. All of our records are in Chinese and my organization does not have a genealogist, the person required to do this genealogy search. We are looking for volunteers, in Hawaii, to help out with our efforts to serve the general community. Chinese surnames of families descending from the Chou Dynasty Kings and Princes are: Chow, Chang, Ching, Lum, Wong, Ho, Ing, Goo, Wu, Choy, Yap, Lai, Sun, Kwock, Chiang, Mao, Lau, and Loui. Family surnames that are directly related to the Chou Dynasty and clan as family are: Dang, Young, Siu, Chock, and Tom. Family surnames that are related to the Chou clan are: Chun (Chun, Chen, Chu) and Aisin Gioro (many in the U.S. now go by assumed Chinese surnames rather than to be known as Manchurians). If your family surname is anyone of the above, please feel free to contact the Chou Clansmen Association of America as we are your authorized family surname society. Go to our homepage for details on who we are and what we do. http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline Our membership, at present, is small, we have less than 10 members and we are looking to grow. We represent China's Chin Ying Tong (family temple), which boast over 29 million members. We (The Chou Clansmen Association of America) represent the succession descendancy of CHOU Shun Cheong Di (r. 1644) and the King's/Emperor's lineage of the Chou clan and dynasty. Our family succession and genealogy can be seen at our website. Because we are located in Hawaii, we are able to help all Chinese living in Hawaii asking for assistance. Free of charge as our contribution to Hawaii's local Chinese community and to the general community. We are easily accessible to people in Hawaii and will do what we can to help Hawaii's local Chinese. The Chou Clan organization, myself for now, has help a few people in mainland U.S. and Hawaii find their genealogies or have been successful in putting them in contact with family members and relatives. We are only limited by funds and by the amont of time that we (again, I) can spend on every request. Once again, we are looking for volunteers to help in building the Chinese community and culture. Volunteers that can help in many ways, including doing genealogy research. No advance training is required as we will train and teach you. We are based in Hawaii, so we're looking for people in Hawaii to volunteer to work at the Chou Clansmen Association. with this we will be able to help not only people from Hawaii, but we will be able to help most anyone who request genealogy information by e-mail worldwide. We do not limit ourselves to service to Chinese solely, we are an American organization, which helps all people. Please go to our website and contact me by phone, if you are in Hawaii...and volunteer! Site for the Chou Clansmen Association: http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline Genealogy site for the following surnames: Chow, Chang, Ching, Lum, Wong, Ho, Ing, Goo, Wu, Choy, Yap, Lai, Sun, Kwock, Chiang, Mao, Lau, and Loui, Dang, Young, Siu, Chock, Tom, and Aisin Gioro. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html We are one of two Chou/Chow clan organizations advertised worldwide. We, in Hawaii, are the main organization. A Chow clan society exist in Hong Kong for Chow clan members in Hong Kong. The Chou Clansmen Association of America P.O. Box 4604 Honolulu, Hawaii 96812 (808) 538-1855 Our genealogy library houses between 40 to 60 Chinese family surnames dating back to Emperor Huang Di (~2276 BC). We try to do what we can for all people in researching Chinese genealogy for free. We are limited as we do not have a genealogist at this time, although we do have records, we can not do an extensive search. Thank you for allowing me to send this lengthy non-profit informational letter. Lester D. K. Chow

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=192 Surname: KAK ------------------------- Morning All, Looking for info as to direction I should take to trace Greatgrand Father,Joe KAK, death cert only says born Canton, no dates & lots of "unknowns". Family traditons says he was a Market gardener in NZ, fatered two children (one my grand mother) , died Blenheim NZ. Need help in name usage ,have gravestone that I need translated (photo).really just need lots of help,,, pls regards Tuck West Australia

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=191 Surname: KAK ------------------------- Morning Listers, Looking for information as to direction I should start to try & trace Greatgrand Father. Joe Kak, death cert only says birth Place Canton, no date. Would love to find out more. Family tradition says he was a market gardener in NZ, fathered two children(illigitmate) died Blenheim NZ. Need to understand name usage etc, (just need lots of help really). regards Tuck West Australia

I am looking for a Lingting that came from Canton and went to Australia, probably during the goldrush. He did many jobs and was known by different names. He was called William Ling Ting , Lea Ting and Wlliam Lington, He married an Irish lass called Mary Mahoney from County Cork. He had about 11 children . Can anyone help please, I realise it's a long shot ......but. Thank you Jan Lee

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=189 Surname: Park ------------------------- I am looking for information on John Park, he was born in England in 1825 - 1830. He was in China from 1850, we are led to believe he was a Post Master in Canton, and maybe a Herbalist. He married Mary Lee and had a son, Henry Richard Samuel Park, Born 05.05.1861. He emmigrated to Australia in 1875.

On 16 Jun 2000, at 7:11, Daniël Tse wrote with great flare and wits: > Posted on: General China Query Forum > Board URL: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=187 > > Surname: Tse > ------------------------- > > I know my grandfathers name, Tse Wai Yip. > He's a Hong Kar teacher somewhere in Guang Ton. > I wanna find out my roots, how far I can trace back in time and very > important is, who they are and what they do. > I think you have his province of origin. In addition you'll have to have his name, the village he was from and the county in Chinese characters. Ideally, the general area of the county also because there are just too many small villages that aren't on the map. If he came from a big village then you may be able to trace your linkage back hundreds of years but with very little detail. Good luck. Kevin http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes ICQ: 41912308 __________________________________________________________ Nothing's impossible for those who don't have to do it. -- Dante Alighieri

Posted on: General Taiwan Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Taiwan/General?read=23 Surname: Hwang, Chen ------------------------- I am not positive, but I am pretty sure that the name Chi-chen Hwang is my grandmother's. She is from Taiwan.

Posted on: General China Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/China/General?read=187 Surname: Tse ------------------------- I know my grandfathers name, Tse Wai Yip. He's a Hong Kar teacher somewhere in Guang Ton. I wanna find out my roots, how far I can trace back in time and very important is, who they are and what they do.

Posted on: General Taiwan Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Taiwan/General?read=22 Surname: HWANG, CHEN ------------------------- Taiwan

Sorry I don't have the province -Joseph married a Scotswoman in 1859 in Ipswich Qld and just stated born amoy probably about 1825.Thanks Cheerio, Del ----- Original Message ----- From: K.Y. Lee <kylee@telus.net> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [CHINA] Verification of Genealogy > On 10 Jun 2000, at 23:24, whillp wrote with great flare and wits: > > > I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is > > yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat > > and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was > > if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any > > idea as to province? Ruth Wong > > > > Yes, we can tell which Huang he belongs to from the Chinese character. > The generation number is only meaningful to member of the same clan. > More likely than not your father-in-law came from Fukin province. > > Kevin > > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > ICQ: 41912308 > __________________________________________________________ > Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. > -- Chinese Proverb > >

I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any idea as to province? Ruth Wong ----- Original Message ----- From: K.Y. Lee <kylee@telus.net> To: <CHINA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CHINA] Verification of Genealogy > On 9 Jun 2000, at 17:05, NoSpamlchow wrote with great flare and wits: > > > > > Article: Researching Chinese Roots - Verification of Genealogy > > > > Message to all list participants. I do extensive Chinese genealogy work > > and I maintain a genealogy database of about 40 to 60 Chinese surnames, all > > written in Chinese, going back to the original Emperor Huang Di. There are > > two known Chinese Emperors that go by the same title of Huang Di, the > > original Huang Di, founding Emperor of China, and CHIN Shih Huang Di. > > Huang Di is China's first patriarchal and founding ancestor, while CHIN > > Shih Huang Di is merely Emperor of China's fourth dynasty. > > > > Lester, as a person who reads and writes Chinese (I think you do), why > are you trying to confuse us? The two "huang's" are different Chinese > characters and have complete different meanings. The huang in Huang > Di is the colour yellow. After the unification of China, the Chin ruler > decided a new title is necessary, so the title "huang di" was coined to > imply his accomplishment is greater than those of the 8 ancient mystical > rulers, the 3 huang's and 5 di's. > > Prior to Chin Shih Huang's unification, China was a feudal state. All the > heads of the various dynasties were nothing more than leaders of the > feudal lords. In essence, Chin Shih Huang was China's first emperor. > > ><snip> > > > > My primary research, in the past, has been on my own family from the Chou > > Dynasty, on the Ch'ing Dynasty (a Manchurian ethnic group, who ruled > > China), and on the Ming Dynasty (Chun, Chen, Chu family surnames). By > > being honest with all of these people, I have been able to verify and > > document genealogy that does not appear in current publications. If you go > > to my website, you will find a partial list of my work in Chinese > > genealogy, http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Courtyard/1535/cha_pu.html. The > > term "chia p'u" in Chinese means family album or family genealogy tree > > book. I use the term "cha p'u" instead to indicate that this is my oath as > > to the truth of my genealogy work. The work "cha" means, blood oath. > > > > The official surname of the Chou Dynasty rulers is "Kei" and there is a > fair number of them around still. > > Is there anyway for you to show us the "cha" character in Chinese? > > > <snip> > > > > The research work that I published online, about Henry P'u Yee and the > > manchurian genealogy is true and P'u Yee is not a pretender to the throne > > of China. Henry P'u Yee is what would be called, today, a placeholder > > Emperor as he was not officially installed by Court. The traditional > > succession of the Ch'ing Dynasty was not published, until I published some > > of this history and official succession, online, within the past year or > > so. > > > > I couldn't find it on your site. Could you post the url please? > > > <snip> > > > > The traditional and proper last Emperor of China (of the Manchurian Ch'ing > > Dynasty) is Henry P'u Yee's uncle, who was installed by Court as Emperor > > Kuang Yao. This installation occurred in Ma Bin Pou, a mythical city 30 > > miles outside of Canton, a city chosen which was symbolically done in the > > name of Emperor Tao Kuang, China's rightful succession Emperor of the > > Manchurian Ch'ing Dynasty Court. > > > > I'm a bit confused here (not very hard to do). Who was installed in Ma > Bin Pou, Kuang Yao or Tao Kuang? Again could you somehow post the > Chinese characters for "Ma Bin Pou" and "Tao Kuang"? > > <snip> > > Kevin > > http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes > ICQ: 41912308 > __________________________________________________________ > Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. > -- Lazarus Long > > >

On 10 Jun 2000, at 23:24, whillp wrote with great flare and wits: > I read your notation with great interest. My husband says his Huang is > yellow royal Huang. His father came from China about 1920 or so on a boat > and they settled in Malaysia. Would you be able to tell what Huang he was > if you had his character and generation number? Would that give me any > idea as to province? Ruth Wong > Yes, we can tell which Huang he belongs to from the Chinese character. The generation number is only meaningful to member of the same clan. More likely than not your father-in-law came from Fukin province. Kevin http://www.geocities.com/u_got_jokes ICQ: 41912308 __________________________________________________________ Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. -- Chinese Proverb