Ida Jane JONES was born 1904 and her sister Nora May JONES was born 1905 both in Birkenhead. Mother was Frances Jane and father possibly Henry or William. I have searched every way possible to find them in 1911 with no success. If someone has time could they have a look. I would really appreciate it. They must be there but I can't see them. Thank you.......... Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Margaret, Yours is the first Cheshire post I have seen for a whole week. I thought my email system had collapsed. I have had a quick search but have not come up with a solution. I note that the mother was MASON and that there were 6 other births to a MASON mother in that area and time frame. It may be worth looking for them too. Jessie was born in 1911 in Birkenhead and if her birth month was later than April it would eliminate the possibility of emigration (assuming that this is the same mother). I also see that a Nora aged 0 died in 1906 in Birkenhead. Are you sure the mother was still alive in April 1911? Otherwise the children could be with another family(ies). There are a couple of Idas with grandparents or uncles. Sorry I cannot help more at the moment but I will look again later. Regards, Eric Millward

Hi Marg, There is an Ida Mary JONES of the right age, niece, living with John Evans, 44, and Martha, 43 and family in Great Sutton. I can only find one birth for an Ida JONES of the right age and location so could it be her? Also there is Henry JONES, 3. Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Cambridge Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 4:32 AM To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Surname JONES Ida Jane JONES was born 1904 and her sister Nora May JONES was born 1905 both in Birkenhead. Mother was Frances Jane and father possibly Henry or William. I have searched every way possible to find them in 1911 with no success. If someone has time could they have a look. I would really appreciate it. They must be there but I can't see them. Thank you.......... Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Margaret, Curiosity led me to search on ChesBMD, LancsBMD and FreeBMD for suitable JONES/MASON (or READ) marriages. There were none for Frances Jane. Eric Millward

Margaret, Another possible clue. Nora May and Ida Mary (sic) were baptised on the same day (1 Nov 1905 ) at St Mary's Birkenhead. The parents were Henry JONES and Fanny. There are some similarities here with your information.- but some differences. Worth a look. Eric Millward

Margaret, Re my last message . A Fanny JONES aged 36 died in Brkenhead in 1909. One of the JONES children with a mother MASON was Lily b 1902. I found a possible match for her as the daughter of Henry (wife Rose Ann Harriet JONES) in 1911 at 2 Warson St Birkenhead. Henry was a hairdresser. Also there was a son Albert Edward and he is a match with another of the MASON children. In 1911 Henry and Rose Ann had been married 11 years and 4 of their 7 children had died but in 1911 2 of the listed children pre-date the calulated marrige so perhaps this was Henry's second wife. There are some clues here worth investigating. Good luck.

Margaret, I cannot resist a challenge and I am like a dog with abone on this one. For the birth of Ida Jane in 1904 ChesBMD has two entries with the same registration references ... mother's name READ and MASON. Although they are not shown with usual asterisk denoting a second marriage for the bride this possibly what we have here. Henry JONES married Fanny REED (sic) at Birkenhead in 1903 (a Civil marriage). However this does not fit with the 1911 census showing that henry and Rose had been married 11years. I suspect that Ida, Nora and other siblings had been dispersed to separate homes by (for instance ) deaths of parents and remarriages. Eric Millward

Hello Margaret,   Further to Eric's information, Henry JONES and Fanny REED are listed on FreeBMD Marriages Birkenhead Mar 1903 and in 1896 a Fanny MASON and an Edmund REED are listed on Birkenhead district marriages Jun 1896.   You mention Ida Jane but the baptism shows Ida Mary and there is an Ida Mary JONES aged 7 born Birkenhead described as neice living with John EVANS born Capenhurst , Martha EVANS born Great Sutton and family at The Green, Great Sutton near Chester in 1911.  Also with them is Henry JONES, nephew, aged 3 born New Ferry, Cheshire.   Just to help confirm that this is possibly the correct Ida Mary, John and Martha said they had been married 18 years and the marriage index on FreeBMD  for Wirral 1892 do include a John EVANS and Martha MASON in the list.   Joy  ________________________________ From: Margaret Cambridge <talktomarg@shaw.ca> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 4:32 Subject: [CHS] Surname JONES Ida Jane JONES was born 1904 and her sister Nora May JONES was born 1905 both in Birkenhead.  Mother was Frances Jane and father possibly Henry or William. I have searched every way possible to find them in 1911 with no success. If someone has time could they have a look.  I would really appreciate it. They must be there but I can't see them. Thank you.......... Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret,   Just to add further supporting evidence that Ida is with her aunt Martha in 1911 and that the Henry Jones also with them is her brother, there is a birth registration for Henry Jones, mother's surname Mason 1907 Wirral on Cheshire BMD.  There is also a baptism at New Ferry 31 Aug 1908 for Henry Jones, parents Henry and Fanny.  Father's occupation is Team Owner which is also the occupation on Ida and Nora's baptisms in 1905.   I can't find Fanny in 1901 as Fanny Mason, Reed or Jones.   I am not entirely convinced that the Frances Jane Mason you mention living in Sussex in 1901 is the correct one, especially as the information I give above does point to Fanny and Martha Mason being sisters (or a lot of coincidences concerning Ida, Nora and Henry's dates of birth, parent's names, father's occupation etc. and Martha's maiden name and birthplace).  Do you have other supporting evidence for the identification?  In 1881 Fanny Mason born c1873, Great Sutton and Martha Mason born c1868 Great Sutton are living with parent's John and Jane Mason, grandfather John Griffith and other siblings at Great Sutton.   It might be worth trying to trace the other siblings of Fanny and Martha on the 1911 census as you may find Nora with them.  I couldn't find my own grandmother in 1911 until I started looking for her uncles and aunts.  The transcriber hadn't spotted that my grandmother's surname was different to the rest of the family and had given her her aunt's surname (it was quite clearly her own surname on the original image).    I am wondering if Henry Jones had some "irregular" living arrangements.  I searched for a Henry JONES, occupation Team Owner on the 1901 census and there is one born c1849 in Birkenhead but his wife is named May and the mother-in-law living with him has the surname Howard.   There are three children with them, Victor (c1893), Stanley (c1895) and Catherine (1901).  I can't find a marriage on FreeBMD for Henry Jones and May Howard.  I also tried the surname Howat with no success because there is a birth registration for a Stanley Howat Jones 1895 Wirral.   I think this family are possibly on the 1911 census at 161 Claughton Road as the following: Mary May Jone (sic) aged 38 widow born Birkenhead Charles Victor Jones aged 18, Barman born Birkenhead Stanley Howat Jones aged 16, Barman born Birkenhead Kathleen Elane Jones aged 10 born Birkenhead.   Joy   ________________________________ From: Margaret Cambridge <talktomarg@shaw.ca> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 4:32 Subject: [CHS] Surname JONES Ida Jane JONES was born 1904 and her sister Nora May JONES was born 1905 both in Birkenhead.  Mother was Frances Jane and father possibly Henry or William. I have searched every way possible to find them in 1911 with no success. If someone has time could they have a look.  I would really appreciate it. They must be there but I can't see them. Thank you.......... Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message