I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle. I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. Kind regards Anna Hutton

Hi Anna, I've had a quick look at FMP for Abraham & there are only two baptisms coming up within 5 years of 1851 in the right general area. Abraham Goodwin, bap 7 Feb 1846, father Abraham (a Publican), mother Mary, baptised in the Chapelry of Rainow. Abraham Goodwin, bap 4 May 1854 (born 8 Sep 1852) no father given, mother Mary, baptised in St Peter's Macclesfield. Mary had two children baptised on the same day & is listed as a Single Woman. The other child was Sarah, born 18 Jan 1849. The St Peter's baptism looks the most likely. Perhaps along the way, Abraham found out that his father was a farmer called Solomon, but he probably wouldn't have been a Goodwin. I found this family on the 1851 census. Wincle is on the edge of Macclesfield Forest. 1851 census transcription details for: Standing Stone, Macclesfield Forest National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2159 Folio: 103 Page: 3 Reg. District: Macclesfield Sub District: Rainow Parish: Macclesfield Forest Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Standing Stone, Macclesfield Forest County: Cheshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GOODWIN, Abraham Head Married M 59 1792 Farmer Quarnford, Staffordshire GOODWIN, Hannah Wife Married F 62 1789 Farmers Wife Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 26 1825 Farmers Daughter At Home Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 23 1828 Farmers Daughter At Home Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 21 1830 Farmer House Servant Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, John Grand Son M 5 1846 Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Lucy Grand Daughter F 1 1850 Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Sarah A Grand Daughter F 1 1850 Wildboarclough, Cheshire © Reproduced courtesy of The National Archives, London, England Looks likely that Sarah & Abraham were the illegitimate children of Mary Ann, who's father was Abraham. Hope this helps. Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 14/10/2013 12:48, Anne Balejka-Hutton wrote: > I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. > > In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. > > > > In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. > > > > On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. > > > > I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle. I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Anna Hutton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Hello Anne,   On the 1871 census Abraham gives a birthplace of Flash, Staffs. and there are a cluster of Goodwins living at Flash in 1851 including a Solomon Goodwin aged 72 with wife Rebecca aged 66.   Flash is in the parish of Quarnford and there are a lot of Goodwin baptisms there including an Abraham Goodwin, son of Alice Goodwin 13 Jan 1851: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JW4L-BQ7   On the 1851 census there is an Alice Goodwin aged 27 (dau) and Abraham Goodwin aged 7 mths (grandson) living with Thomas and Martha Goodwin at Turn Edge Quarnford.  Also in the household is Sarah Goodwin aged 5 (dau) and an interesting coincidence is that in 1871 there is a Sarah Goodwin aged 25 born Quarnford, Staffs also living at Wincle.   According to Wikipedia, Flash was an early centre for Wesleyanism so maybe the baptism took place in the Wesleyan chapel and will not appear in Parish records. As someone has already said, are there any clues from the marriage witnesses?   Don't assume because their surnames are different that they are not related, it might be a married sister or if Abraham's mother married he might have half siblings.  I also noticed that Abraham gave one of his children a middle name Fisher and another Balfour.  Do these names appear in his wife's family or could they be a clue to Goodwin relatives? Also, have you tried finding all the possible Abraham Goodwins in 1861 and eliminating them on the 1871 census? Regrads, Joy ________________________________ From: Anne Balejka-Hutton avbh@hotmail.co.uk  To: "CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com" <cheshire-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 12:48 Subject: [CHS] Searching for Abraham Goodwin of Wincle Cheshire I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle.  I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. Kind regards Anna Hutton                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message