On the Chapelry of Wincle burials there is a burial 23 Apr 1848 of a Sarah Whittaker aged 27, abode Sutton, died April 20th and also (same chapel) June 28th 1848 a burial of Sarah Whittaker aged 1 year, abode Sutton, died June 24th. I did find a Joshua Whitaker in 1851, widower, born Gawsworth fancy trimmer living at Lunt Hill, Sutton, Macclesfield, son in law to head of household Mary Thorp, widow, washerwoman born c1793 at Wincle. Included in the household is Hannah Sutton, grandaughter born c1838 and Mary Whitaker born c1844 at Sutton. The surname Sutton in the household seemed a bt of a coincidence and in 1841 there is a Sarah Sutton born c1821 and Hannah Sutton born c1838 in the household of John and Mary Thorp at Bunker Hill, Prestbury, Macclesfield. I couldn't find them in 1861. In 1871 Josiah is in Manchester with wife Alice and stepdaughters. There is a marriage of John Thorp to Mary Sutton at Prestbury 21 Mar 1825. I would suggest that Sarah is the daughter baptised at Wincle 23 July 1820, mother Sarah Mary Sutton on PR (the Sarah is blotted) and Mary Sutton on Bishop's Transcripts. Presumably, the father was James Goodwin. Mary subsequently married John Thorp. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 02/09/2014 - 14:38 (UTC) To : CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy, Many thanks for your reply. I had found some of those records, however, I had also found lots of others and couldn't sort out the wheat from the chaff. I think your theory on the identity of Sarah SUTTON is probably correct. I have found Josiah on Ancestry in 1861 but he is mis-indexed. The correction should show up in the records shortly. So I have all the data on his second marriage. I will investigate Joshua in 1851 further. That was one of the records I had found but not connected it as well as you have. I suspect the enumerator got the name wrong. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:18 PM To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? On the Chapelry of Wincle burials there is a burial 23 Apr 1848 of a Sarah Whittaker aged 27, abode Sutton, died April 20th and also (same chapel) June 28th 1848 a burial of Sarah Whittaker aged 1 year, abode Sutton, died June 24th. I did find a Joshua Whitaker in 1851, widower, born Gawsworth fancy trimmer living at Lunt Hill, Sutton, Macclesfield, son in law to head of household Mary Thorp, widow, washerwoman born c1793 at Wincle. Included in the household is Hannah Sutton, grandaughter born c1838 and Mary Whitaker born c1844 at Sutton. The surname Sutton in the household seemed a bt of a coincidence and in 1841 there is a Sarah Sutton born c1821 and Hannah Sutton born c1838 in the household of John and Mary Thorp at Bunker Hill, Prestbury, Macclesfield. I couldn't find them in 1861. In 1871 Josiah is in Manchester with wife Alice and stepdaughters. There is a marriage of John Thorp to Mary Sutton at Prestbury 21 Mar 1825. I would suggest that Sarah is the daughter baptised at Wincle 23 July 1820, mother Sarah Mary Sutton on PR (the Sarah is blotted) and Mary Sutton on Bishop's Transcripts. Presumably, the father was James Goodwin. Mary subsequently married John Thorp. Regards, Joy

Hi Joy and All, As a result of Joy's reply (below) I decided to send for the birth certificate of Mary WHITTAKER, the presumed daughter of Joshua, according to the 1851 census, but Josiah, from the logic below. I received it yesterday. Marty WHITTAKER b 15 July 1844 Sutton, father Josiah WHITTAKER, mother Sarah WHITTAKER formerly SUTTON father's occupation weaver, informant John THORP Occupier Lowe Street Sutton, registered 16 July 1844. The informant is the most interesting part. Mary was the granddaughter of Mary THORP, widow in 1851, John had been her husband, so that proves that Josiah must be the person shown as Joshua in the census. So that's one little mystery solved. Many thanks again to Joy Christine -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:18 PM To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? On the Chapelry of Wincle burials there is a burial 23 Apr 1848 of a Sarah Whittaker aged 27, abode Sutton, died April 20th and also (same chapel) June 28th 1848 a burial of Sarah Whittaker aged 1 year, abode Sutton, died June 24th. I did find a Joshua Whitaker in 1851, widower, born Gawsworth fancy trimmer living at Lunt Hill, Sutton, Macclesfield, son in law to head of household Mary Thorp, widow, washerwoman born c1793 at Wincle. Included in the household is Hannah Sutton, grandaughter born c1838 and Mary Whitaker born c1844 at Sutton. The surname Sutton in the household seemed a bt of a coincidence and in 1841 there is a Sarah Sutton born c1821 and Hannah Sutton born c1838 in the household of John and Mary Thorp at Bunker Hill, Prestbury, Macclesfield. I couldn't find them in 1861. In 1871 Josiah is in Manchester with wife Alice and stepdaughters. There is a marriage of John Thorp to Mary Sutton at Prestbury 21 Mar 1825. I would suggest that Sarah is the daughter baptised at Wincle 23 July 1820, mother Sarah Mary Sutton on PR (the Sarah is blotted) and Mary Sutton on Bishop's Transcripts. Presumably, the father was James Goodwin. Mary subsequently married John Thorp. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 02/09/2014 - 14:38 (UTC) To : CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine