I wrote to FMP to ask why the enumerators' and address books are no longer available for the 1911 census. This is what they replied: "Unfortunately, the 1911 census address and enumerators pages are not currently available on the site, however, I have checked this with our technical team and they are currently working on making these records available so these will be added in the future, however, unfortunately, I cannot advise exactly when this will be. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience or frustration caused by this situation and I thank you in advance of your patience whilst we work to resolve this." Ruth in Hampshire

you can't find anything on there now. trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> To: "'Cheshire List'" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [CHS] Detailed search forms on FMP > The Feedback Forum for FindMyPast contains lots of requests for things > like > searching censuses by birthplace. In fact, this is now possible - though > FMP > have not updated those feedback items I was looking at to say so. The > problem is - you have to be looking in the right place. So... In case > you've > not twigged where it is... > > If you use menu item Search Records / Census land & surveys you get a > BASIC > search form that doesn't include birthplace. Even if you filter it by > census, the form doesn't change. (It does claim to include a search by > address) > > If you use menu item Search Records / Search All Records, then go to the > Census link, then to the link to the specific census, you get a DETAILED > search form that includes birth details, census ref., etc. > > Menu item Search Records / List all UK records seems to be the same as the > above menu item Search Records / Search All Records. > > The 1911 and 1841 census reference systems are different from the 1851 > thru > 1901, of course(?), so they either don't work or don't work well on the > FMP > forms which use the same referencing system from 1841 thru 1911. > > So - the Search All Records or List all UK records menu sub-options give > access to detailed forms for censuses at least. I wonder how many people > realise this? In fairness to FMP, the existence of this detailed census > form > was blogged about but as I have said, if you need a manual to use one > form, > it's not working. > > I have also suggested that FMP update the menu options to make it clear > where the detailed options are and / or provide links from the basic forms > to the detailed forms. Even Ancestry makes it obvious how to get the > detailed form! > > Adrian B > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

so its not only people on another list i'm on who's having problems with can't findmypast, i've just a few minutes back written to them and you can be sure i've left themnothing short, the site as it is now is a joke. trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> To: "'Cheshire List'" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 12:14 PM Subject: [CHS] Detailed search forms on FMP > <<snipped>> > If you use menu item Search Records / Census land & surveys you get a > BASIC > search form that doesn't include birthplace. Even if you filter it by > census, the form doesn't change. (It does claim to include a search by > address) > > If you use menu item Search Records / Search All Records, then go to the > Census link, then to the link to the specific census, you get a DETAILED > search form that includes birth details, census ref., etc. > <<snipped>> > > I've just been informed on another list that the so-called Basic form has > some items on that aren't on the so-called Detailed form. > > There's nothing like consistency - and that's nothing like.... > > Adrian B > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, that settles it for me ,I was going to join FMP as companion to Ancestry, not any more. It seems to me that too many companies are hopping on the bandwagon and are being run in a shoddy manner. Would greed and profits have anything to do with it ? Dave absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

<<snipped>> If you use menu item Search Records / Census land & surveys you get a BASIC search form that doesn't include birthplace. Even if you filter it by census, the form doesn't change. (It does claim to include a search by address) If you use menu item Search Records / Search All Records, then go to the Census link, then to the link to the specific census, you get a DETAILED search form that includes birth details, census ref., etc. <<snipped>> I've just been informed on another list that the so-called Basic form has some items on that aren't on the so-called Detailed form. There's nothing like consistency - and that's nothing like.... Adrian B

The Feedback Forum for FindMyPast contains lots of requests for things like searching censuses by birthplace. In fact, this is now possible - though FMP have not updated those feedback items I was looking at to say so. The problem is - you have to be looking in the right place. So... In case you've not twigged where it is... If you use menu item Search Records / Census land & surveys you get a BASIC search form that doesn't include birthplace. Even if you filter it by census, the form doesn't change. (It does claim to include a search by address) If you use menu item Search Records / Search All Records, then go to the Census link, then to the link to the specific census, you get a DETAILED search form that includes birth details, census ref., etc. Menu item Search Records / List all UK records seems to be the same as the above menu item Search Records / Search All Records. The 1911 and 1841 census reference systems are different from the 1851 thru 1901, of course(?), so they either don't work or don't work well on the FMP forms which use the same referencing system from 1841 thru 1911. So - the Search All Records or List all UK records menu sub-options give access to detailed forms for censuses at least. I wonder how many people realise this? In fairness to FMP, the existence of this detailed census form was blogged about but as I have said, if you need a manual to use one form, it's not working. I have also suggested that FMP update the menu options to make it clear where the detailed options are and / or provide links from the basic forms to the detailed forms. Even Ancestry makes it obvious how to get the detailed form! Adrian B

Please ignore the two [CHS] messages received this morning from Catherine Salt. It appears that her email account has been hijacked and is being used to send spam. Catherine has been removed from the Cheshire List to prevent this happening again, but will be allowed back when the email account has been secured. Carl Rogerson, Cheshire List Admin.

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Thank you so much Beverly. I checked the bedspread out and its REALLY LOVELY. It takes Candlewick to a new level. Not to be mocked again! http://www.plowhearth.com/100-cotton-marthas-choice-candlewick-king-bedsprea d.htm Ruth

Come on, you old fogeys. You can buy it today here @ www.damart.co.uk, amazon.co.uk, www.marksandspencer.com, candlewick.idealprice.co.uk, candlewick.supaprice.co.uk, and 101 other places including ebay! View the wares... Ruth (old fogey)

Plow & Hearth in the USA has a reproduction candlewick bedspread that George Washington had made for his bride Martha. Only $230. When I was a child, they would still show you her real bedspread, even though it was not on the bed at Mt. Vernon. Beverly -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Genda Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 5:52 AM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Candlewick Come on, you old fogeys. You can buy it today here @ www.damart.co.uk, amazon.co.uk, www.marksandspencer.com, candlewick.idealprice.co.uk, candlewick.supaprice.co.uk, and 101 other places including ebay! View the wares... Ruth (old fogey) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had candlewick bedspreads as a child, and when first married (I'm now 65, living in the Staffordshire Moorlands, UK). Xx Sent from my iPad On 3 Apr 2014, at 22:20, "Jan Fortado" <janfortado2007@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thank you one and all for the wonderful information. I read every answer carefully. I had no idea the occupation had more than one possibility, and I had never heard of candlewick fabric. With a bit of research I learned that candlewick bedspreads were very popular in colonial times (1700's), but by the 1840's with the appearance of a machine-made bedspread, candlewick bedspreads declined. This probably explains why I could find no mention of candlewick spinning in the Fall River mills as most of the mills were built after 1840. Jan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you one and all for the wonderful information. I read every answer carefully. I had no idea the occupation had more than one possibility, and I had never heard of candlewick fabric. With a bit of research I learned that candlewick bedspreads were very popular in colonial times (1700's), but by the 1840's with the appearance of a machine-made bedspread, candlewick bedspreads declined. This probably explains why I could find no mention of candlewick spinning in the Fall River mills as most of the mills were built after 1840. Jan

Thank you Adrian, As some of my family came from the vicinity of Witton and the surnames can be very concentrated in this area this is an invaluable resource. Another problem that people may not be aware of is with the Army Service Records from the National Archives. These actually show two pages for each image but only the first page shows on the index. So if you have an ancestor who served in the army and you can't find their record on Find MY Past, search for their record on at the National Archives and find the person immediately before them in the sequence and then search for that person on Find My Past. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2014 6:06 a.m. To: 'Cheshire List' Subject: [CHS] FMP Feedback - Witton parish registers You may or may not be aware of the furore over FindmyPast's new site. You may or may not be aware that there is a Feedback site for FMP See http://feedback.findmypast.co.uk/ Just to make sure it's visible I have raised a feedback entry for the Witton extended format registers where the right hand page is neither visible nor accessible. See short URL http://goo.gl/n7walm for the item in question. I wrote on the item, "I believe there are other registers with the same issue but do not have personal experience of them" - if anyone does know of other FMP registers, no matter where they are in the UK, could you please add a comment saying what they are? And please vote for the item! Thanks Adrian B

You may or may not be aware of the furore over FindmyPast's new site. You may or may not be aware that there is a Feedback site for FMP See http://feedback.findmypast.co.uk/ Just to make sure it's visible I have raised a feedback entry for the Witton extended format registers where the right hand page is neither visible nor accessible. See short URL http://goo.gl/n7walm for the item in question. I wrote on the item, "I believe there are other registers with the same issue but do not have personal experience of them" - if anyone does know of other FMP registers, no matter where they are in the UK, could you please add a comment saying what they are? And please vote for the item! Thanks Adrian B

 Don't forget that vast quantities of candle wick would be required for candles and oil lamps.  A candle doesn't last very long and there were plenty of people getting through candles and lamp wicks who didn't own a candlewick bedspread!  I did come across a reference to Schofield & Froggatt Ltd, Stalybridge, candle and lamp wick manufacturers on National Archives.  Maybe local directories have a more specific description of what the mills were producing their candle wick yarn for.   I also came across this reference to a mill which supplied candlewick specifically for miner's lamps  "Kettleshulme Lamb Hole or Lumb Mill (SJ 988804) was the site of a former cotton mill destroyed by fire in the 1820s. The shell of the burnt-out building was bought by a Mr Sheldon who reconstructed the present gritstone building in 1835 and adapted it for making candlewick for miners' lamps. The manufacture continued, providing the main source of local livelihood, until World War I when demand for candlewick declined."   Joy   ________________________________ From: Eric Millward <bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk> To: Gilbert Murray <happyman70@cableone.net>; Cheshire List <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014, 21:39 Subject: Re: [CHS] CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 65 Another reference can·dle·wick  [kan-dl-wik]  noun 1.the wick of a candle. 2.Also, can·dle·wick·ing. Textiles. a.Also called candlewick yarn. loosely twisted yarn, usually of cotton, used for making candlewickfabric. b.the process of making candlewick fabric. c.the design made by this process. adjective 3.(of a fabric) having small, short bunches of wicking tufted to form a design: a candlewick bedspread ofunbleached muslin. Origin: before 1000; Middle English candelweke, Old English candelweoc.  See candle, wick1 And another       candlewick  ('kænd ? l?w?k)       - n       1. unbleached cotton or muslin into which loops of yarn are hooked and then cut to give a tufted pattern.It is used for bedspreads, dressing gowns, etc       2. the wick of a candle       3. ( modifier ) being or made of candlewick fabric Considering how many large mills there were engaged in candlewick spinning my firm bet for my (and Jan's) ancestors' occupation (candlewick spinner) is spinning the yarn primarily intended for fabric. The spun yarn could also be used to make wicks for candles. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7275 - Release Date: 03/31/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another reference can·dle·wick [kan-dl-wik] noun 1.the wick of a candle. 2.Also, can·dle·wick·ing. Textiles. a.Also called candlewick yarn. loosely twisted yarn, usually of cotton, used for making candlewickfabric. b.the process of making candlewick fabric. c.the design made by this process. adjective 3.(of a fabric) having small, short bunches of wicking tufted to form a design: a candlewick bedspread ofunbleached muslin. Origin: before 1000; Middle English candelweke, Old English candelweoc. See candle, wick1 And another candlewick ('kænd ? l?w?k) - n 1. unbleached cotton or muslin into which loops of yarn are hooked and then cut to give a tufted pattern.It is used for bedspreads, dressing gowns, etc 2. the wick of a candle 3. ( modifier ) being or made of candlewick fabric Considering how many large mills there were engaged in candlewick spinning my firm bet for my (and Jan's) ancestors' occupation (candlewick spinner) is spinning the yarn primarily intended for fabric. The spun yarn could also be used to make wicks for candles. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7275 - Release Date: 03/31/14

I have come across an alternative name ..... candlewoake. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7275 - Release Date: 03/31/14

Hi Katie, from Cheshire Parish registers - Catherine Margaret and Thomas Gaulton occ gardener- marr. 19th August 1861,Parish Church in the Parish of St John, Chester. Brides father Thomas Burrows, occ. joiner, grooms father Daniel occ farmer, wit. Elizabeth Silby?Selby & William Riley Burrows.     Lydia age 23 and George Addison occ coachmaker age 23 marr. at the same church 17October 1867  brides father Thomas, joiner, grooms father Charles, occ coachmaker  wit William Riley Burrows and I haven't noted the other witness ---oops. HTH Anne