> Geneanet is a website which provides references to names in all sorts > of published sources, all over the world. I found 542 instances of my > One Name Study Name HUNTINGFORD. > It is especially useful for One Namers. You can access the index for > free but if you wanted to see the actual item you would have to pay. > Regards, Lyn Stupid question day. Why do one name studies? Thanks, Brian "Gump"* Densmore * We have a love-hate thing with Forrest Gump. I love it and my wife Hates it. Did I just step in it? It happens. Lol.

As an Ancestry subscriber, I think they should extend our subscription for each day that they give free access..... Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Moreau > Sent: 15 April 2014 18:18 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Ancestry free access to WW1 records > > Hi ya everyone > > > > Just so you know Ancestry has free access to WW1 records this > Easter weekend 18th-21st April. > > > > Happy searching > > > > Jan > >

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Hello everyone, I wonder if anyone knows whether there are any 1821 and 1831 census records for the Cheadle area. My family are Thomas Higham, wife Elizabeth (Betty) and their children Henry 1818 through to Elizabeth (Betty) 1829. The address given on the baptism sheets was Edgeley. I realise that this is a very long shot, but as I have the census sheets for my Pearson family who I think would be living in Alderley as the address on their children's baptism records was Nether Alderley I thought that I would give it a try. Thomas is living with his 2nd wife at Larkhill, Cheadle Bulkley in 1841. Thank you - Lilian

I think your sensible other half has come up with the answer, if the document's in English, as "black nephew" makes no sense at all! If in Latin, the word black (niger is the usual) also has a number of other meanings as well as black, which include "unlucky" ."bad" and "dark haired". And it's not the only Latin word which could be translated as "black". Somebody has made a mistake in transcription I reckon. My other half is also a non family historian, but is often good at cutting to the chase. His last offering was "you've got too many Marys"! (He was right) Angela > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mrs L. McCulloch > Sent: 13 April 2014 23:52 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Black Nephew > > I consulted my non - Family Historian but very sensible other half and he > suggested that it may have been a mis-reading of a contracted word in the > original document > > eg ' blvd' for 'beloved'. > > That would fit with the context better than 'black.' > > ' William Malbank, Baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he has received of > Robert de Bracy, his beloved nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees.' > > Any comments on this theory? > > Regards, > > Lyn

My thanks to all for their help and suggestions, seems like a look at the original document is needed to solve this. regards Karl ....... Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 12:48:20 +0100 From: Numero Uno <orange.wasps@live.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CHS] Meaning of 'black nephew' ? To: "'KARL HELD'" <karl.held1@btinternet.com>,     <CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB128-DS3B8DBD5F5E488B1A3C7B5A6560@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have asked the question "What is a black nephew?" to assorted knowledgeable people who have an interest in mediaeval English history, but no-one can come up with an answer.  However, what is suggested is that something may have been lost or confused in the translation from the latin, and that the original charter be identified and consulted, either at The National Archives or Cheshire RO. Sorry not to have anything more definite. Ruth

Thanks to Martin and Lyn for their help. I have referred the enquiry back to the originator, with the suggestions. Regards Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe > Sent: 14 April 2014 01:08 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Black Nephew > > I did a few searches earlier. > > All the Google matches are from the same source (a will?) and > are associated with Robert de Bracy. > > I then searched on Robert de Bracy, he appears on lots of > sites with genealogical information (probably all copied from > each other) but nothing mentioning anything like 'black > nephew' so it does seem like a mistranscription somewhere in the past. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mrs L. McCulloch > Sent: 13 April 2014 23:52 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Black Nephew > > I consulted my non - Family Historian but very sensible other > half and he suggested that it may have been a mis-reading of > a contracted word in the original document > > eg ' blvd' for 'beloved'. > > That would fit with the context better than 'black.' > > ' William Malbank, Baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he > has received of Robert de Bracy, his beloved nephew, homage > and 3 knights' fees.' > > Any comments on this theory? > > Regards, > > Lyn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's a good suggestion Lyn. I'll send it on. However, the original enquiry came from someone who had read it in a transcription of the "Battle Abbey Roll" so the original (if it was) Latin is somewhat remote. This is where the transcription may be found - you have to scroll down until you come to the paragraph headed Bracy, or Ctrl-F, and put Malbank in the search box: http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll1/chap01.htm I do not vouch for its accuracy, veracity or authenticity!! Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mrs L. McCulloch > Sent: 13 April 2014 23:52 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Black Nephew > > I consulted my non - Family Historian but very sensible other > half and he suggested that it may have been a mis-reading of > a contracted word in the original document > > eg ' blvd' for 'beloved'. > > That would fit with the context better than 'black.' > > ' William Malbank, Baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he > has received of Robert de Bracy, his beloved nephew, homage > and 3 knights' fees.' > > Any comments on this theory? > > Regards, > > Lyn >

I did a few searches earlier. All the Google matches are from the same source (a will?) and are associated with Robert de Bracy. I then searched on Robert de Bracy, he appears on lots of sites with genealogical information (probably all copied from each other) but nothing mentioning anything like 'black nephew' so it does seem like a mistranscription somewhere in the past. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mrs L. McCulloch Sent: 13 April 2014 23:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Black Nephew I consulted my non - Family Historian but very sensible other half and he suggested that it may have been a mis-reading of a contracted word in the original document eg ' blvd' for 'beloved'. That would fit with the context better than 'black.' ' William Malbank, Baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he has received of Robert de Bracy, his beloved nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees.' Any comments on this theory? Regards, Lyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I consulted my non - Family Historian but very sensible other half and he suggested that it may have been a mis-reading of a contracted word in the original document eg ' blvd' for 'beloved'. That would fit with the context better than 'black.' ' William Malbank, Baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he has received of Robert de Bracy, his beloved nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees.' Any comments on this theory? Regards, Lyn

I have asked the question "What is a black nephew?" to assorted knowledgeable people who have an interest in mediaeval English history, but no-one can come up with an answer. However, what is suggested is that something may have been lost or confused in the translation from the latin, and that the original charter be identified and consulted, either at The National Archives or Cheshire RO. Sorry not to have anything more definite. Ruth

Sandra, I have a BEBBINGTON connection in the Sandbach area. Intermarriage with MOSES in 1838 at Barthomley. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7338 - Release Date: 04/13/14

Interesting Karl. I haven't come across that expression before, and sometimes the context suggests a meaning. In this case, it didn't, but I've put the question to another group and I'll let you know if anyone comes back with an explanation. Ruth > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all, > > > > William Malbank (c. 1125-1176), baron of Nantwich, gives > notice that > > he has received of Robert de Bracy, his black nephew, homage and 3 > > knights' fees. > > > > Anyone know what is meant by 'black nephew' ? > > regards > > Karl L Held > > Hi Ruth, > > The sources for this are: > > http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll1/chap01.htm > (scroll down to Bracy surname) > > > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n8U_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA822&lpg=P A822&dq=%22his+black+nephew%22&source=bl&ots=dNQW_udlA5&sig=> 3O4K_au0UvAgN9GcqmppcaZLJp8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_I9JU-TdEan17AakwoDQ Bg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22his%20black%20nephew%22> &f=false > Magna Britannia: Being a Concise Topographical Account of the > ..., Volume 2 (page 822) > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/bracy/messages/81.html > > regards > Karl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What is the source of this quotation please Karl? Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KARL HELD > Sent: 12 April 2014 16:43 > To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Meaning of 'black nephew' ? > > Hi all, > > William Malbank (c. 1125-1176), baron of Nantwich, gives > notice that he has received of Robert de Bracy, his black > nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees. > > Anyone know what is meant by 'black nephew' ? > regards > Karl L Held Hi Ruth, The sources for this are: http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll1/chap01.htm (scroll down to Bracy surname) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n8U_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA822&lpg=PA822&dq=%22his+black+nephew%22&source=bl&ots=dNQW_udlA5&sig=3O4K_au0UvAgN9GcqmppcaZLJp8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_I9JU-TdEan17AakwoDQBg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22his%20black%20nephew%22&f=false Magna Britannia: Being a Concise Topographical Account of the ..., Volume 2 (page 822) http://genforum.genealogy.com/bracy/messages/81.html regards Karl

Thanks to all for the answers to the occupation question . . . By the way I'm just starting to fit the Bebbington Bevington groups together is Cheshire. I'm actually looking for the origins of my ancester Thomas Bevington who "appeared" in Staffordahire in the 1770s Having searched for years to find him I'm now thinking perhaps he came from Cheshire and this research is probably going to take the rest of my natural life ! ! Or until I go dolally with it !! Does anyone else out there have an interest in these groups? reagrds Sandra

Many thanks Irene how silly of me - of course that's what it is ! regards Sandra

Can anyone decipher this please . . . .? 1911 census Samuel Edwin Bebbington - Spital Walk Chester. His wife Sarah Ann - her occupation ???? Ancestry have entered it as Merrionay Many thanks Sandra

What is the source of this quotation please Karl? Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KARL HELD > Sent: 12 April 2014 16:43 > To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Meaning of 'black nephew' ? > > Hi all, > > William Malbank (c. 1125-1176), baron of Nantwich, gives > notice that he has received of Robert de Bracy, his black > nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees. > > Anyone know what is meant by 'black nephew' ? > regards > Karl L Held > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, William Malbank (c. 1125-1176), baron of Nantwich, gives notice that he has received of Robert de Bracy, his black nephew, homage and 3 knights' fees. Anyone know what is meant by 'black nephew' ? regards Karl L Held

well, people aren't now calling it can't findmypast for nothing!! its truly horrible trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Moore" <tim.moore@konza.plus.com> To: <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:32 PM Subject: [CHS] New Version of Find My Past > Help!!! > > Maybe it's just a question of getting used to it but I'm having problems > with searches on the new version of Find My Past. > > On the previous version, I could go straight to the Baptism Parish > Records in the Cheshire Collection and if I entered 9for example) John > Clare, b1766+ or- 2 years, place Witton - bingo - I got his baptism on > 12 Oct 1766. Now I can't find it at all or much else for that matter!! > I don't even seem able to restrict any searches by event type let alone > place, it just churns out BMD's seemingly at random and for any dates it > likes. > > Is anyone else having similar problems or is it just me. > > In hopeful anticipation of your help > > Tim Moore > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >