The following updates for CheshireBMD have just been announced: ---------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 50 for Newton by Hyde, Rosemount Trinity Methodist Church (Bennett Street), registers at Tameside (1971-2003) 1 for Ashton-under-Lyne, Church of the Nazarene (Old Cross Street), registers at Tameside (1975-1975) 8 for Ashton-under-Lyne, Rehoboth Tabernacle (Ripon Street), registers at Tameside (1975-1979) 62 for Broadbottom, Methodist Chapel, registers at Tameside (1973-1981) 12 for Hyde, Kingdom Hall (Mottram Road), registers at Tameside (1983-1989) 6 for Ashton under Lyne, Fairbottom Methodist Church, (Alt Hill Lane), registers at Tameside (1978-1992) Many thanks to Bob Kirk and colleagues for these. ---------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Have Fun Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Hello everyone, My thanks to you all for taking the time to help with my Parish Records question, I will now start using all the information to hopefully get what I want, I will let you know how I get on and whether I succeed in my 'mission' Could I also say a very big thank you to Lesley for the information she gave me a couple of months ago regarding the maiden name of my 2 x gt. Grandmother, because of that I have found relatives that I never knew existed, and they have been very kind in filling in large gaps in my Family History, and I hope that I have helped them perhaps just a little. Once again my thanks - Best Wishes Lilian

Hi Beverley Go to A - Z of record sets and enter Chester in the search box (remember to add a space and the end of the name so that it is clear you have finished the word) You will then see a list of datasets starting with Diocese Of Chester Bishop's Transcripts Of Baptisms C1600-1910. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Beverly Alexander Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:09 AM To: abruce@madasafish.com ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Parish Records So how do we now find the PRs and BTs??? That is what I am looking for? What is it called, and why is it so complicated now? Beverly Culpeper, VA -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:22 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Parish Records <<snipped>> you need to know which you want for any particular record set. <<snipped>> In fact, understanding the distinction between Cheshire and the Diocese of Chester is important. There is at least one Cheshire parish that does not appear in FMP because it is in the Diocese of Manchester (and presumably therefore on Ancestry!), while there are plenty of entries in the Act Books for probate and marriage licences in Lancashire precisely because the Diocese of Chester included Lancashire at the time of the compilation of the Act Books. Without understanding the difference (and the coverage of the old Diocese at various times) you might be looking in entirely the wrong place. It may be an unfashionable viewpoint but I do believe that if we are going to start specifying individual datasets, then we seriously ought to understand what the datasets actually are, starting with their name. I suspect the problem has partly arisen because the "Cheshire Collection" page used to link to all the PRs and BTs as well as the non-conformist, workhouse, etc. Now, as far as I recall, the PRs and BTs are no longer linked into the "Cheshire Collection" - this may be because the Collection page now links into the "proper" dataset names rather than mythical intermediates such as "Cheshire PRs"(???), which never actually existed as a dataset. This means the list of "proper" dataset names is now approaching 3 times as long as it was so I suspect they snipped the PRs and BTs out. Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been following this thread with interest, particularly as it gives emphasis to my own lack of knowledge. I wonder if I might indulge the list with my own military impasse; I am seeking information on the British Army in pre-war Egypt. In particular I am seeking a soldier who was invalided home in 1934. I can find no useful information for this period on either FMP or Ancestry could SKS point me at a source for this period of time please. Barry Barry Hughes jbarry.hughes@ntlworld.com

That's a very good point Adrian, thank you. Having used the 'old' Cheshire Collection extensively in the past, I did wonder why the PR's no longer appear when just Cheshire is entered - I'd put it down to the current muddle with FMP. Your explanation should clear up a lot of niggles for many of us and is much appreciated. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 15/05/2014 00:22, Adrian Bruce wrote: > <<snipped>> > you need to know which you want for any particular record set. > <<snipped>> > > In fact, understanding the distinction between Cheshire and the Diocese of > Chester is important. There is at least one Cheshire parish that does not > appear in FMP because it is in the Diocese of Manchester (and presumably > therefore on Ancestry!), while there are plenty of entries in the Act Books > for probate and marriage licences in Lancashire precisely because the > Diocese of Chester included Lancashire at the time of the compilation of the > Act Books. Without understanding the difference (and the coverage of the old > Diocese at various times) you might be looking in entirely the wrong place. > > It may be an unfashionable viewpoint but I do believe that if we are going > to start specifying individual datasets, then we seriously ought to > understand what the datasets actually are, starting with their name. > > I suspect the problem has partly arisen because the "Cheshire Collection" > page used to link to all the PRs and BTs as well as the non-conformist, > workhouse, etc. Now, as far as I recall, the PRs and BTs are no longer > linked into the "Cheshire Collection" - this may be because the Collection > page now links into the "proper" dataset names rather than mythical > intermediates such as "Cheshire PRs"(???), which never actually existed as a > dataset. This means the list of "proper" dataset names is now approaching 3 > times as long as it was so I suspect they snipped the PRs and BTs out. > > Adrian B > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

<<snipped>> Another way! After you've found your 'person' you can click on 'Medal Index Card' then 'Add facts from this Evidence'. This will bring up a form on which all known details can be added. <<snipped>> You're worrying me... When you "Add facts from this Evidence", you should only add facts that are on the Medal Index Card.... Have I misunderstood what you are proposing? Adrian

<<snipped>> you need to know which you want for any particular record set. <<snipped>> In fact, understanding the distinction between Cheshire and the Diocese of Chester is important. There is at least one Cheshire parish that does not appear in FMP because it is in the Diocese of Manchester (and presumably therefore on Ancestry!), while there are plenty of entries in the Act Books for probate and marriage licences in Lancashire precisely because the Diocese of Chester included Lancashire at the time of the compilation of the Act Books. Without understanding the difference (and the coverage of the old Diocese at various times) you might be looking in entirely the wrong place. It may be an unfashionable viewpoint but I do believe that if we are going to start specifying individual datasets, then we seriously ought to understand what the datasets actually are, starting with their name. I suspect the problem has partly arisen because the "Cheshire Collection" page used to link to all the PRs and BTs as well as the non-conformist, workhouse, etc. Now, as far as I recall, the PRs and BTs are no longer linked into the "Cheshire Collection" - this may be because the Collection page now links into the "proper" dataset names rather than mythical intermediates such as "Cheshire PRs"(???), which never actually existed as a dataset. This means the list of "proper" dataset names is now approaching 3 times as long as it was so I suspect they snipped the PRs and BTs out. Adrian B

Should have said that you might need to register as a MEMBER Joan ________________________________ From: JOAN ZORN <j.zorn@btinternet.com> To: "abruce@madasafish.com" <abruce@madasafish.com>; "cheshire@rootsweb.com" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2014, 23:00 Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project Another way! After you've found your 'person' you can click on 'Medal Index Card' then 'Add facts from this Evidence'.  This will bring up a form on which all known details can be added. (You may have to register as 'friend' first ) Regards Joan ________________________________ From: Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 21:46 Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project   Taken from their Facebook site: <<snipped>> "you can add those official records for your uncle, which you have already, without having to pay again by adding them as an external reference (clicking "add an external reference" and selecting "copy of an official document"), rather than clicking "search official records" on our site." <<snipped>> I have just added a birth date to my grandfather without going near any of their records. It may be that the step that people are missing is that when you've added a source, you need to explicitly add the evidence extracted from that source. Anyway - if you want to look at what there is, search for "Jack Bruce" and choose Corporal Jack Bruce, 36844 of the RFA. You will see that there is a date of birth on there. It was not a one-step job BUT I feel the rigour that is imposed on us should help to avoid the equivalent of genealogies stretching back to Adam, or whatever the military history equivalent is. And it definitely should link all the data back to the evidence. To get his birth date on, I first went onto his page and "Added an External Reference". This was to refer to a microfilm so I chose the "Book/Publication/Archive" option. Title was: "entry for Jack Bruce, 8 January 1896; Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Earle St. (Crewe, Cheshire)" Reference was: Microfilm Copy of Baptismal Register Location Accessed: Crewe Library Description: Baptisms entry for Jack Bruce What evidence connects this to him? I checked surname, birth and family. Explanation - why I recognised it. Now you've added the source, you need to select the name of the source you just added, which brings up a pop-up window where you click "Add Facts from this evidence" to tell the system what facts the source provides: Date of Birth - as approp Mother's name - as approp Father's name - as approp And now you can see the dates have been added in under Birth, Age and Death. You do NOT update the dates etc. on the person's form, you MUST do it from the source in question. In summary: 1. Select the person; 2. Add the source as an book-type external reference; 3. Explain why you've recognised that source as belonging to your chap; 4. Select the source - Add the facts from this evidence Major thanks to Fiona Hall from Tay Valley Bridges who pointed me in the right direction. Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another way! After you've found your 'person' you can click on 'Medal Index Card' then 'Add facts from this Evidence'.  This will bring up a form on which all known details can be added. (You may have to register as 'friend' first ) Regards Joan ________________________________ From: Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 21:46 Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project Taken from their Facebook site: <<snipped>> "you can add those official records for your uncle, which you have already, without having to pay again by adding them as an external reference (clicking "add an external reference" and selecting "copy of an official document"), rather than clicking "search official records" on our site." <<snipped>> I have just added a birth date to my grandfather without going near any of their records. It may be that the step that people are missing is that when you've added a source, you need to explicitly add the evidence extracted from that source. Anyway - if you want to look at what there is, search for "Jack Bruce" and choose Corporal Jack Bruce, 36844 of the RFA. You will see that there is a date of birth on there. It was not a one-step job BUT I feel the rigour that is imposed on us should help to avoid the equivalent of genealogies stretching back to Adam, or whatever the military history equivalent is. And it definitely should link all the data back to the evidence. To get his birth date on, I first went onto his page and "Added an External Reference". This was to refer to a microfilm so I chose the "Book/Publication/Archive" option. Title was: "entry for Jack Bruce, 8 January 1896; Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Earle St. (Crewe, Cheshire)" Reference was: Microfilm Copy of Baptismal Register Location Accessed: Crewe Library Description: Baptisms entry for Jack Bruce What evidence connects this to him? I checked surname, birth and family. Explanation - why I recognised it. Now you've added the source, you need to select the name of the source you just added, which brings up a pop-up window where you click "Add Facts from this evidence" to tell the system what facts the source provides: Date of Birth - as approp Mother's name - as approp Father's name - as approp And now you can see the dates have been added in under Birth, Age and Death. You do NOT update the dates etc. on the person's form, you MUST do it from the source in question. In summary: 1. Select the person; 2. Add the source as an book-type external reference; 3. Explain why you've recognised that source as belonging to your chap; 4. Select the source - Add the facts from this evidence Major thanks to Fiona Hall from Tay Valley Bridges who pointed me in the right direction. Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Adrian You are correct but that is very poor from a usability point of view. There are of course some records which come up when Cheshire is entered so you need to know which you want for any particular record set. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________ On 14/05/2014 22:17, Adrian Bruce wrote: > <<snipped>> > Go to Search; > Bottom of the list is A-Z of all records; Click on the A-Z and type Cheshire > in the search box this brings up all FMP Cheshire records. > <<snipped>> > > <<snipped>> > but for Cheshire I don't get the CoE Baptisms, Marriages or Burials which > is a nonsense. > <<snipped>> > > Type "Chester" - it's the Diocese of Chester (and not Diocese of Cheshire > before you say something!) > > Adrian B > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

<<snipped>> Go to Search; Bottom of the list is A-Z of all records; Click on the A-Z and type Cheshire in the search box this brings up all FMP Cheshire records. <<snipped>> <<snipped>> but for Cheshire I don't get the CoE Baptisms, Marriages or Burials which is a nonsense. <<snipped>> Type "Chester" - it's the Diocese of Chester (and not Diocese of Cheshire before you say something!) Adrian B

Hello Gill I agree that what you say should work but it doesn't for Cheshire. If I use the same system with Shropshire it does work but for Cheshire I don't get the CoE Baptisms, Marriages or Burials which is a nonsense. I wish they would sort out these silly errors. Mike Shropshire, UK ________________________________ On 14/05/2014 20:42, Gill King wrote: > Hi Lilian > > Go to Search; > Bottom of the list is A-Z of all records; > Click on the A-Z and type Cheshire in the search box this brings up all FMP > Cheshire records. > > Regards > Gill > > > > > > > On 14 May 2014 19:53, Lilian Fowler <lilian.fowler@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Hello I wonder if SKS can tell me how I now find the Parish Records on Find >> My Past for Cheshire and Monmouthshire. Before the powers that be >> practically ruined it, I could always find the original parish records, of >> Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths, now all I get are the GRO records, which I >> don't want as I can look at these in my local Archives - >> >> Can someone please point me in the right direction, I am seriously >> considering not renewing my subscription when it falls due in July, I now >> find FMP totally confusing. >> >> Thanks so much - Lilian >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Lilian Go to Search; Bottom of the list is A-Z of all records; Click on the A-Z and type Cheshire in the search box this brings up all FMP Cheshire records. Regards Gill On 14 May 2014 19:53, Lilian Fowler <lilian.fowler@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello I wonder if SKS can tell me how I now find the Parish Records on Find > My Past for Cheshire and Monmouthshire. Before the powers that be > practically ruined it, I could always find the original parish records, of > Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths, now all I get are the GRO records, which I > don't want as I can look at these in my local Archives - > > Can someone please point me in the right direction, I am seriously > considering not renewing my subscription when it falls due in July, I now > find FMP totally confusing. > > Thanks so much - Lilian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lilian, They're still there, probably just a lot further down the results list. Once you get to the results list, you can apply a sort on record set (drop down list top right of the results), that will get you to them in one block for the the name you searched on. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 14/05/2014 19:53, Lilian Fowler wrote: > Hello I wonder if SKS can tell me how I now find the Parish Records on Find > My Past for Cheshire and Monmouthshire. Before the powers that be > practically ruined it, I could always find the original parish records, of > Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths, now all I get are the GRO records, which I > don't want as I can look at these in my local Archives - > > Can someone please point me in the right direction, I am seriously > considering not renewing my subscription when it falls due in July, I now > find FMP totally confusing. > > Thanks so much - Lilian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So how do we now find the PRs and BTs??? That is what I am looking for? What is it called, and why is it so complicated now? Beverly Culpeper, VA -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:22 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Parish Records <<snipped>> you need to know which you want for any particular record set. <<snipped>> In fact, understanding the distinction between Cheshire and the Diocese of Chester is important. There is at least one Cheshire parish that does not appear in FMP because it is in the Diocese of Manchester (and presumably therefore on Ancestry!), while there are plenty of entries in the Act Books for probate and marriage licences in Lancashire precisely because the Diocese of Chester included Lancashire at the time of the compilation of the Act Books. Without understanding the difference (and the coverage of the old Diocese at various times) you might be looking in entirely the wrong place. It may be an unfashionable viewpoint but I do believe that if we are going to start specifying individual datasets, then we seriously ought to understand what the datasets actually are, starting with their name. I suspect the problem has partly arisen because the "Cheshire Collection" page used to link to all the PRs and BTs as well as the non-conformist, workhouse, etc. Now, as far as I recall, the PRs and BTs are no longer linked into the "Cheshire Collection" - this may be because the Collection page now links into the "proper" dataset names rather than mythical intermediates such as "Cheshire PRs"(???), which never actually existed as a dataset. This means the list of "proper" dataset names is now approaching 3 times as long as it was so I suspect they snipped the PRs and BTs out. Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I wonder if SKS can tell me how I now find the Parish Records on Find My Past for Cheshire and Monmouthshire. Before the powers that be practically ruined it, I could always find the original parish records, of Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths, now all I get are the GRO records, which I don't want as I can look at these in my local Archives - Can someone please point me in the right direction, I am seriously considering not renewing my subscription when it falls due in July, I now find FMP totally confusing. Thanks so much - Lilian

Taken from their Facebook site: <<snipped>> "you can add those official records for your uncle, which you have already, without having to pay again by adding them as an external reference (clicking "add an external reference" and selecting "copy of an official document"), rather than clicking "search official records" on our site." <<snipped>> I have just added a birth date to my grandfather without going near any of their records. It may be that the step that people are missing is that when you've added a source, you need to explicitly add the evidence extracted from that source. Anyway - if you want to look at what there is, search for "Jack Bruce" and choose Corporal Jack Bruce, 36844 of the RFA. You will see that there is a date of birth on there. It was not a one-step job BUT I feel the rigour that is imposed on us should help to avoid the equivalent of genealogies stretching back to Adam, or whatever the military history equivalent is. And it definitely should link all the data back to the evidence. To get his birth date on, I first went onto his page and "Added an External Reference". This was to refer to a microfilm so I chose the "Book/Publication/Archive" option. Title was: "entry for Jack Bruce, 8 January 1896; Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Earle St. (Crewe, Cheshire)" Reference was: Microfilm Copy of Baptismal Register Location Accessed: Crewe Library Description: Baptisms entry for Jack Bruce What evidence connects this to him? I checked surname, birth and family. Explanation - why I recognised it. Now you've added the source, you need to select the name of the source you just added, which brings up a pop-up window where you click "Add Facts from this evidence" to tell the system what facts the source provides: Date of Birth - as approp Mother's name - as approp Father's name - as approp And now you can see the dates have been added in under Birth, Age and Death. You do NOT update the dates etc. on the person's form, you MUST do it from the source in question. In summary: 1. Select the person; 2. Add the source as an book-type external reference; 3. Explain why you've recognised that source as belonging to your chap; 4. Select the source - Add the facts from this evidence Major thanks to Fiona Hall from Tay Valley Bridges who pointed me in the right direction. Adrian B

I noticed that too. It does seem to be a marketing exercise to add 'Friends of the Project' who then pay to access FindMyPast records rather than a genuine attempt for the nation to add their WW1 ancestors stories. 30,000 may have signed in but how many will ever return having found out it's limitations and clumsy interface. Probably the same team who redesigned FMP developed this too as D C Thompson own both. Disappointed the IWM failed to mention this in any of their press releases. Shep. > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:36:29 +0100 > From: kat67mar@btinternet.com > To: abruce@madasafish.com; cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project > > Thank you for that Adrian. I have done as you advised but this just gives me options to make notes about the evidence I have and does not add information in the boxes marked Birth, Death, Military Records etc. > I will wait a while and see if there are any changes over the months. > According to today's newspaper over 30,000 people signed into the site yesterday. > > Thank you everyone for the advice. > Kathleen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 12 May 2014, 19:26 > Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project > > > Just noticed this response on their Facebook page.... > > "you can add those official records for your uncle, which you have already, > without having to pay again by adding them as an external reference > (clicking "add an external reference" and selecting "copy of an official > document"), rather than clicking "search official records" on our site." > > Which seems to match what I said. I think.... > > > Adrian B > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for that Adrian.   I have done as you advised but this just gives me options to make notes about the evidence I have and does not add information in the boxes marked Birth, Death, Military Records etc. I will wait a while and see if there are any changes over the months. According to today's newspaper over 30,000 people signed into the site yesterday. Thank you everyone for the advice. Kathleen ________________________________ From: Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 12 May 2014, 19:26 Subject: Re: [CHS] IWM Lives of the First World War Project Just noticed this response on their Facebook page.... "you can add those official records for your uncle, which you have already, without having to pay again by adding them as an external reference (clicking "add an external reference" and selecting "copy of an official document"), rather than clicking "search official records" on our site." Which seems to match what I said. I think.... Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following update has just been announced for CheshireBMD ------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Births: 304 for Cheadle, registers at Stockport (1969-1974) Many thanks to Peter Greenwood and colleagues for these. -------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ CheshireBMD.org.uk Sent from my iPad