Hello, Thanks for earlier suggestions concerning German ancestry. I have a question about 1600's names. My emigrant ancestor Thomas Vernon's father is generally accepted to be named James, although I haven't been able to find anything to substantiate this. On findmypast and familysearch I found a reference to his christening on 23 february 1639 with a father of Johis. Is it possible this is either a spelling variant or a mistaken transcription? Others who have researched Thomas put him at this location, so this record make sense, but I would like to be more sure. I'm attaching the image so that if anyone has inclination they can take a look. Any help would be appreciated! Cheers, Tony

I was wondering if someone on the list could give me the email address of the Merseyside Maritime Museum, or and email address of where I could find out the date/s the SS Scythia sailed from New York to Liverpool in August 1937. I have a photo of two ladies on board this vessel and would like to pinpoint who they are. This hopefully would lead me to a passenger list and a couple of names may appear which are in my family tree. Thanks, Irene

Newspapers on Monday 2nd August 1937 reported SYTHIA left Liverpool on Saturday for New York and Boston, so 31st July Then left Liverpool again on 28th August for New York Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: 16 July 2014 07:50 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Ship Sailing Dates I was wondering if someone on the list could give me the email address of the Merseyside Maritime Museum, or and email address of where I could find out the date/s the SS Scythia sailed from New York to Liverpool in August 1937.

Have you tried the outgoing passenger lists on Ancestry? Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 16 Jul 2014, at 07:52, cheshire@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I was wondering if someone on the list could give me the email address > of the Merseyside Maritime Museum, or and email address of where I > could find out the date/s the SS Scythia sailed from New York to Liverpool > in August 1937. > > I have a photo of two ladies on board this vessel and would like to > pinpoint who they are. This hopefully would lead me to a passenger list > and a couple of names may appear which are in my family tree. > > Thanks, > > Irene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Adrian and Joy. That makes more sense. The only puzzle left is the "born ___" . Because other entries have the born date written after the baptism I suspect the date for Hannah is the baptism date and for some reason the born date was omitted. Perhaps it faded although I can't see any marks suggesting that. Anyway, that is a matter of relatively small importance. And I received your second email Adrian agreeing with what I concluded above, just as I was about to send this, thanks. Thanks again Christine

Re "<October> "22'nd Hannah Dr of George & Elizabeth Whittakers born <New Line>" I previously said "That means Hannah's date refers only to her birth, nothing about a baptism." On second thoughts, having looked at the BT, which has 22 October as her baptism, and the previous entries in the PR, I think what's happened is that it should have had "born dd mmm yyyy" - they didn't know her date of birth but wrote the "born" bit in, which was never completed. So Hannah is baptised 22 October after all, and born on an unknown date. Adrian B

My reading goes like this... "1786 Christenings at Gawsworth ... <October> "22'nd Hannah Dr of George & Elizabeth Whittakers born <New Line> "Decem'r 18 1786 Recd(?) the Duty to first Octo'r last <New Line> "Mary Houghton" I do not believe that the December 18th line has anything to do with Hannah's line above. I suspect the reference to Duty is to the Stamp Act of 1783 (repealed 1794), which "granted to the Crown a stamp duty of threepence per entry in parish registers, 10% being allowed to the minister who collected the duty" (quote from Chester RO somewhere). So maybe, on 18 Dec 1786, the minister received his 10% for the 12m up to 1 October. That means Hannah's date refers only to her birth, nothing about a baptism. And there is a similar entry on the next page referring to the Duty. This time with Sarah Houghton but referring in some fashion to "for M Houghton". Similar phrasing on the previous page with Mary Houghton. Given that the name is at the right hand side, my suspicion is that Mary and Sarah Houghton were acting as parish clerk / church warden / treasurer / whatever. Adrian B

I think that the birth is recorded as the Oct entry and there is another unrelated entry recorded on 18 Dec about receiving the Duty up to 1st Oct last. If you look back at previous pages the same entry about receiving the Duty up to 1st Oct last is recorded on 21 Nov 1785. Mary Houghton is mentioned again so maybe she received it. A Stamp Duty was levied on entries in PRs between 1783 and 1794 so it is possibly something to do with that. Joy Langdon On Tuesday, 15 Jul, 2014 at 21:58, cheshire@rootsweb.com wrote: Hi All, I am looking at a baptism on Findmypast and I cannot make sense of it. It appears to say :- 1786 Christenings at Gawsworth ...................... Octr 22nd Hannah Dr of George & Elizabeth Whittakers born Decemr 18 1786 Recd(?) the Duty (or piety?) to first Octor last Mary Houghton ...................... I am not sure whether Mary Houghton belongs to that entry or not. But according to that she was christened before she was born and I don't know whether the last bit is about received into the church after a home baptism but that date doesn't make sense either. Can anyone make sense of it? Any help gratefully received Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am looking at a baptism on Findmypast and I cannot make sense of it. It appears to say :- 1786 Christenings at Gawsworth ...................... Octr 22nd Hannah Dr of George & Elizabeth Whittakers born Decemr 18 1786 Recd(?) the Duty (or piety?) to first Octor last Mary Houghton ...................... I am not sure whether Mary Houghton belongs to that entry or not. But according to that she was christened before she was born and I don't know whether the last bit is about received into the church after a home baptism but that date doesn't make sense either. Can anyone make sense of it? Any help gratefully received Christine

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD ------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 263 for Heaton Norris, All Saints, registers at Stockport (1951-1975) Many thanks to Peter Greenwood and colleagues for these. ------------- Forwarded by Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

I've posted this similar inquiry in the past but now, as more information has become available online, I can rephrase things a bit. Looking for information on *Catherine Beaden* n*e Whiteledge* (Whitelegg? Berry?) b. ca 1799, High Legh, Cheshire. Interested in making contact with descendents of Beaden/Whitelegg/Berry. My maternal ggrandmother, Ellen Beaden Hobson, was born in Warrington, 1842, to Jonathan Beaden and Catherine (formerly Whiteledge) according to her birth registration. On census records, Catherine's birth place is given a High Leigh, Cheshire. I have death registrations for both Jonathan (Joshua) and Catherine but nothing more until recently. I recently found a marriage record for a *Jonathan Baedon* and *Catherine* *Berry* in the Parochial Chapelry of Daresbury in Chester, 1831. This could be my Jonathan and Catherine but it would suggest that if she was "formerly Whiteledge" there was a previous marriage. There was a Whitelegg family in High Leigh and I found a marriage between a male Whitelegg and female Berry - however, I haven't found a female Whitelegg, male Berry union. Does anyone have any information or suggestions? Thanks, Linda

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD ---------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 167 for Heaton Mersey, St John, registers at Stockport (1990-2004) 259 for Heaton Moor, St Paul, registers at Stockport (1972-1985) Many thanks to Peter Greenwood and colleagues for these. ---------------- Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Thank you Millie, I will pursue that. I do recall a story of how Peter's father hated the nuns that ran his school, sounds like a Catholic story to me! Cheers, Tony On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Millie <mvanh@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > The most helpful research on my huband's mother's German families was > through church records. I did not see where Salt Lake City had filmed any > in Alsacs Loraine and as you said there may not be any that survived the > bombing. Perhaps you could find some way to determine if any churches > survived in Mayen. You need to know if they were Lutheran or Catholic. > Not > knowing any German it was quite a challenge to find his family - just had > to > check for surname and village but I did get them back to the 1600's. > Christenings gave the name of the mother and father. Fortunately Salt Lake > had filmed the rocords I needed. As I understand it during Hitler's regime > families had to trace their families back. I did not find any of these. > Hope this is helpful. > > > > Millie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ruth, Many thanks. The Thomas Mary was with in 1881 was not her father but her employer. I saw that census last night but never noticed the address, so I could not tell which Mary WOOD of the several was mine. It sounds as if you are feeling like I was last night when I could not get the address search to work. And now you have told me John’s occupation it’s obvious. And thanks for the 1871 as well. Christine From: Ruth Genda Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:29 AM To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Occupation of John WOOD on daughter Mary's marriage. Hi Christine, John Wood is a Mineral Water Manufacturer. The Whittaker/Wood marriage licence gives their addresses as : Arthur Henry Whittaker of Coare Street in the Parish of St Michael, Macclesfield aged 23 and Mary Wood of 11 Mill Street, Macclesfield aged 21. The 1881 Census has the Whittaker family at 68 Coare Street and Mary Wood living at 11 Mill Street with her father Thomas W, a confectioner b. St Neots Huntingdonshire, with Mary’s birthplace as Congleton. Stupidly/regretfully, I then started to hunt for Thomas in 1871. FMP then went silly and wouldn’t allow me to get back to the 1881 info before I’d fully recorded it. Hope this helps to make a fresh start for you. It’s possible that Mary’s father’s first name was incorrectly noted - it’s something that happens frequently I find. I’ll have another go later once FMP has calmed down (and me). Ruth

Hi Christine, John Wood is a Mineral Water Manufacturer. The Whittaker/Wood marriage licence gives their addresses as : Arthur Henry Whittaker of Coare Street in the Parish of St Michael, Macclesfield aged 23 and Mary Wood of 11 Mill Street, Macclesfield aged 21. The 1881 Census has the Whittaker family at 68 Coare Street and Mary Wood living at 11 Mill Street with her father Thomas W, a confectioner b. St Neots Huntingdonshire, with Mary's birthplace as Congleton. Stupidly/regretfully, I then started to hunt for Thomas in 1871. FMP then went silly and wouldn't allow me to get back to the 1881 info before I'd fully recorded it. Hope this helps to make a fresh start for you. It's possible that Mary's father's first name was incorrectly noted - it's something that happens frequently I find. I'll have another go later once FMP has calmed down (and me). Ruth

Hi All, Arthur Henry WHITTAKER b 1859 married Mary WOOD b c 1861 (I think but there is conflicting data) at St Michael, Macclesfield on 24 Dec 1882. Her father was John WOOD who was some sort of manufacturer but can anyone read it on FMP? Mary died in 1887 and I am struggling to identify her in the censuses but I might have more chance if I knew her father's occupation. Another possibility is looking who was living at 11 Mill Street in 1881 as that is where Mary was living in 1882. I have tried using the individual census search for 1881 (A-Z list) on FMP but the only towns it will let me select from seem to be Scottish, Macclesfield was certainly not there. I might be doing something silly but I don't know what. Any help gratefully received Christine

Hello, I thought I would share with you all an interesting genealogical tid-bit, off the subject England but lots of fun nonetheless. My father-in-law is in ill health so while we were waiting for the eye doctor we talked about his family and I took notes. He told me the story of his aunt Marie. She was German. At the end of World War I, her GI American boyfriend shipped home. However, she was pregnant, which he didn't know at the time. A friend who was still stationed there told him somehow. Instead of leaving her to her own devices, he made his way back to Germany, married her, and raised a family here in the United States! I think of what a trip that must have been in 1918. It's quite a story. I was impressed by the story, so did some digging on ancestry.com. By confirming what town Peter's dad (my wife's grandfather was born in), and searching on Marie's death in Oregon, I found her on another tree with loads of documentation. Everything makes sense. I wrote the person who posted the tree and have not heard back yet, but I'm very optimistic that it's my wife's relative. Sometimes it's lots of fun to put together the jigsaw puzzle! I cannot find anything on my father-in-law's grandparents online yet though. If anyone has suggestions on searching German genealogy, I would appreciate it. My wife's grandfather was Peter Ries, born 15 Apr 1905 in Mayen, Mayen-Koblenz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. I read online that Mayen was almost completely destroyed by Allied bombing in World War II, so records may be scarce. This is part of Alsace - Lorraine. Suggestions would be appreciated! Cheers, Tony

The most helpful research on my huband's mother's German families was through church records. I did not see where Salt Lake City had filmed any in Alsacs Loraine and as you said there may not be any that survived the bombing. Perhaps you could find some way to determine if any churches survived in Mayen. You need to know if they were Lutheran or Catholic. Not knowing any German it was quite a challenge to find his family - just had to check for surname and village but I did get them back to the 1600's. Christenings gave the name of the mother and father. Fortunately Salt Lake had filmed the rocords I needed. As I understand it during Hitler's regime families had to trace their families back. I did not find any of these. Hope this is helpful. Millie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The most helpful research on my huband's mother's German families was through church records. I did not see where Salt Lake City had filmed any in Alsacs Loraine and as you said there may not be any that survived the bombing. Perhaps you could find some way to determine if any churches survived in Mayen. You need to know if they were Lutheran or Catholic. Not knowing any German it was quite a challenge to find his family - just had to check for surname and village but I did get them back to the 1600's. Christenings gave the name of the mother and father. Fortunately Salt Lake had filmed the rocords I needed. As I understand it during Hitler's regime families had to trace their families back. I did not find any of these. Hope this is helpful. Millie

Thank you Joy, will follow up Regards, Shirley