Hi I'm not finding that - in fact, I don't understand what you mean by "next page" of the 1911 England Census Please could you explain it in a bit more detail? Thanks Cliff Sent from my iPad On 28 Jul 2014, at 08:00, cheshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Searching on Ancestry (railton.david@btinternet.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 09:49:34 +0100 > From: <railton.david@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [CHS] Searching on Ancestry > To: "'Gill Gladwin'" <maygladwin@gmail.com>, "cheshire@rootsweb. com" > <cheshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601cfa977$b144eb40$13cec1c0$@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on '1911 > England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see 'Street > address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page for > it. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Gill Gladwin via > Sent: 26 July 2014 22:29 > To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Searching on Ancestry > > Hello, I have found some new information about my grandfather's war record. > I would like to check an address that he was living at when he signed up in > 1916. I thought I would look at 1911 census but he was living elsewhere > then,how can I find out who was living in a house without having a > surname,only street name ? > Thanks > Gill > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHESHIRE list administrator, send an email to > CHESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHESHIRE mailing list, send an email to CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147 > ****************************************

Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on '1911 England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see 'Street address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page for it. David -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gladwin via Sent: 26 July 2014 22:29 To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Searching on Ancestry Hello, I have found some new information about my grandfather's war record. I would like to check an address that he was living at when he signed up in 1916. I thought I would look at 1911 census but he was living elsewhere then,how can I find out who was living in a house without having a surname,only street name ? Thanks Gill Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have found some new information about my grandfather's war record. I would like to check an address that he was living at when he signed up in 1916. I thought I would look at 1911 census but he was living elsewhere then,how can I find out who was living in a house without having a surname,only street name ? Thanks Gill Sent from my iPad

The following updates and announcement has just been published for CheshireBMD. -------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated as follows: Births: 1,011 for Urmston, registers at Trafford (1951-1951) 2,502 for Sale, registers at Trafford (1952-1956) 2,014 for Stretford, registers at Trafford (1958-1960) Many thanks to Geoff Oultram and colleagues for these. The Stretford and Urmston entries will also be found on the Lancashire BMD website. Areas such as Stretford and Urmston are districts which were originally classified as being in one county, but now find themselves in an administration region which is technically in a different county. In this case, Stretford and Urmston used to be in the ancient county of Lancashire, but now come under the administrative cover of Trafford, which is in the ancient county of Cheshire. Hence where we know of such overlaps and have the agreement of the register office, the data is copied on to both the old and new county websites. To help with such cases, UKBMD has a multi-region search facility which will allow you to search two or more of the Local BMD websites together. You will find a link to this on the Local BMD page within the UKBMD website at http://www.UKBMD.org.uk/localbmd/ This latest batch includes an index entry for yours truly! Feeling old... -------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Sorry to be late with this for Guy and any others looking for info on soldiers. Here in Canada, I have found that with a copy of an obituary, most records can be obtained from our Canadian Archives. Sometimes an obituary notice is unavailable, but there could well be a posting in the Canadian Legion Magazine. As well, of course, a photo of a grave marker is also considered useful. This is also for soldiers of the Second World War. Any info about regiment is also very helpful. Diane > To: guylawton@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:10:58 +0100 > CC: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Research in WW1 soldiers' records > From: cheshire@rootsweb.com > > <<snipped> > I wish to rectify this oversight but wondered if anyone on this list can > please offer some practical guidance on how best I should tackle the > research. In particular I want to find out what action he was wounded in. > <<snipped> > > As I always say - consult The Long, Long Trail web-site on > http://www.1914-1918.net/ > > You already have the gold-dust of his regiments and numbers in them - many > people struggle to find even this, so congratulations. > > Take some time and several cups of coffee to work through the research > sections on that web-site and best of luck. > > His service papers may or may not survive on Ancestry - if they don't, it > may not be possible to find out where he was wounded. > > Adrian B > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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<<snipped> I wish to rectify this oversight but wondered if anyone on this list can please offer some practical guidance on how best I should tackle the research. In particular I want to find out what action he was wounded in. <<snipped> As I always say - consult The Long, Long Trail web-site on http://www.1914-1918.net/ You already have the gold-dust of his regiments and numbers in them - many people struggle to find even this, so congratulations. Take some time and several cups of coffee to work through the research sections on that web-site and best of luck. His service papers may or may not survive on Ancestry - if they don't, it may not be possible to find out where he was wounded. Adrian B

One of the things you should do, if not done alraedy, is to try to contact his regiment headquarters. They may then be able to access records or put you in touch with people who have mare detailed information on troop movements in WW1. I had a similar task with my father in the Chehsire Regiment and the Royal Warwickshires. As you say, the soldiers were very reluctant to talk about their experiences. God luck Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7907 - Release Date: 07/23/14

I need some help with my family research. After many years of gathering info I stumbled across a crack in my brickwall James McKENZIE (1854 Liverpool -1917 at Birkenhead) married Emily/Bridget VEALE 1878 in Liverpool. They moved to Birkenhead after 1901. they had one known daughter, Lilian Gertrude b. 1895 at Liverpool. Lillian married Robert Wynn Hughes ( 1894 - 1971 Birkenhead) in 1928 at Birkenhead. They had two known daughters Margaret HUGHES 1932 Birkenhead. and Wynn A. HUGHES. Any information, details of this line or pleasant surprises would make me leap in the air ! Dave, Ontario Canada

I am almost ashamed to admit that over a period of some 50 years of family history research I have never looked into the First World War service of my late father Horace Lawton. I wish to rectify this oversight but wondered if anyone on this list can please offer some practical guidance on how best I should tackle the research. In particular I want to find out what action he was wounded in. The known facts are: My father’s Attestation Certificate (Army Form B2512A) dated 18 August 1917 shows his address as 11 Hitchman Street, Fenton, Stoke on Trent. He was aged 17 years 11 months. I assume he was a conscript. His certificate of discharge (Army Form Z21) shows his demobilisation as a private from the "Loyal North Lancs Regt" on 31 March 1920. This gives his Regimental Number as 43872 and the top left corner of the form is endorsed in the same hand as the body of the form "R 8575" and below it "L.N.L 6133/20". (I don’t know what these references relate to). The form states he was mobilised on 15 October 1917 i.e. 5 weeks after his 18th birthday into the 13th Training Reserve Battalion and that he also served in the Kings Own Royal Lancaster Regiment. I have no idea what active service battalion(s) of either regiment he was in. Horace Lawton’s medal card at TNA reveals that his Regimental Number with the latter regiment was 41670. An asterisk against the entry links to the award of the British and Victory medals, which I have. I also have the Army Form B 104-81A addressed to my grandfather in Fenton dated 26 August 1918 advising that "41670 Pte Horace Lawton of the Royal Lancaster Regiment has been wounded, and was admitted to 55th General Hospital Boulogne on the 19th of August 1918" suffering from "Gas and shell wound (Slight)" On the one occasion that I recall my father talking about his wartime experiences I think he referred to being in Belgium. Any help will be much appreciated. Guy Lawton

Hi Chris, Clear now (well clearing anyway). Possibly, you are correct & George married two sisters. I would think it might be more likely that Frances/Elizabeth are the same person with two names, either of which she used at various times. What was the name of the mother in the entries above and below the Robinson ones? Is either of them Elizabeth or Frances? If so, could it be an error at that stage? Try looking for baptisms for Elizabeth/Frances with the parents given & see if that helps. Ruling out two marriages might help too. It looks as though your George travelled around a good deal. Finding possible marriages (or not) and burials (or not) for both Frances Cocker and Elizabeth Cocker might also be a useful search to try. Regards Lesley On 21/07/2014 14:31, Chris Bowden wrote: > > Hi Lesley, I think I have managed to confuse you and myself. Forget > about the the entry for Samuel at Prestbury as this not one of mine. > The image attached is for Sutton Wesleyan. There are two consecutive > entries on this image, one for Charles Robinson the next for John > Robinson, both are late baptisms. I have found a matching baptism for > Charles in 1817 at All Saints Loughborough and for John in the 1841 > census for Elizabeth Street Prestbury/Macclesfield confirms the presence > of John with George and Frances. > Refering back to the two consecutive entries in the Sutton Wesleyan > (attached). Here is where we have the mystery. Both the entries are > late, as in 1837 and both relate to births in 1817 and 1821. Both show > the father as George a cordwainer of Macclesfield but one shows his wife > as FRANCES the other as ELIZABETH. Now if you look at the details of his > wife's parents they are both shown as William and Sarah Cocker. So did > George marry his wife's sister or where there two Georges. I discount a > register error as the entries are consecutive by the same minister and > the registers are precise in detail. > Kind regards > Chris Bowden > > On 21/07/2014 13:45, Lesley Baxendale wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >> The image you sent for John Robinson is definitely non-conformist, >> not St Peter's Prestbury. It's got a lot of detail and the baptisms >> are very late, so it could be that they were converts from Anglican. >> It therefore follows that you might find baptisms for them nearer to >> their dates of birth in the Anglican church. They could also be first >> timers who were never baptised at birth and are adopting >> non-conformism later along with the rest of their families. Have you >> tried looking late baptisms for George and Hannah around this date?. >> >> The image for the non-conformist baptism for Samuel Robinson on FMP is >> definitely St Peter, Prestbury. Probably either indexed incorrectly, >> or the wrong image. As the details on the entry match the search >> criteria, I would suggest it's incorrect indexing. Worth reporting it >> to FMP - they will sort it out or at least give you an explanation. >> You often find double entries where a child has been baptised at a >> chapelry rather than the mother church - especially with BT's, but >> I've not come across one for a non-conformist baptism before. >> >> I couldn't find the baptisms on FMP for the image you sent. Did you >> keep a copy of the transcription? The top of the page in the image >> might be helpful too. >> >> Regards >> >> Lesley >> >> On 21/07/2014 10:43, Chris Bowden wrote: >>> Hi Lesley, I am still on the Robinson trail. I was asking for more info >>> on Samuel Robinson to George and Ann 11 Dec 1825 listed as at Sunderland >>> Street Wesleyan. I have now found this on FMP but the image is a page >>> from Prestbury PR. All other info as per index and as George was a silk >>> weaver I have now crossed him off my list. >>> I wonder of you could look at the two baptism images from FMP for Sutton >>> Wesleyan. Something is not right here, what do you think? >>> kind regards >>> Chris Bowden >>> On 05/06/2014 22:38, Lesley Baxendale wrote: >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> Yes, it's from Ancestry. Manchester Cathedral records aren't held by >>>> FMP, but most Cheshire records are, along with the original images. It >>>> can be very hit and miss as to what you will find where. >>>> >>>> At the moment, FMP is definitely the best for Cheshire and Ancestry is >>>> pretty good with Manchester. >>>> >>>> I have also found that Familysearch has some images available on their >>>> own site without having to go to a pay per view site. However, their >>>> viewer doesn't seem to be working at present. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Lesley >>>> >>>> On 05/06/2014 17:27, Chris Bowden wrote: >>>>> Hi Lesley, thanks for the image. Are these from ancestry? I did >>>>> take up >>>>> your advice and took a months subscription to FMP but cannot get such >>>>> images. >>>>> regards >>>>> Chris Bowden >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 05/06/2014 15:38, Lesley Baxendale wrote: >>>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> Image attached. Sarah's father, George, is given as a shoemaker, so >>>>>> it looks as though you might be on the right trail. >>>>>> >>>>>> No luck with finding streets on maps. Ask on the list - I'm sure >>>>>> someone will find them for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Lesley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/06/2014 14:41, Chris Bowden wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Lesley, I am still slogging on with my Robinson and Thomas >>>>>>> line. I >>>>>>> have had no luck, despite clues, that the family were passing >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> Macclesfield in the 1820's. So now I'm in Manchester. In 1841 Sarah >>>>>>> Robinson (born 1821 at Sandbach, d. of George and Hannah Robinson) >>>>>>> married James Thomas at the Cathedral. Do you have an image? Her >>>>>>> address >>>>>>> at the time was Heaton Street Ardwick and although found on the >>>>>>> census, >>>>>>> I cannot find on any map. Could you help me locate Heaton Street >>>>>>> and if >>>>>>> possible an image of the marriage cert. >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> Chris Bowden >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7626 - Release Date: >>>> 06/05/14 >>> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7891 - Release Date: 07/21/14 >> >> >

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD ------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Births: 1,031 for Birkenhead North, registers at Wirral (1917-1937) 505 for East Wirral, registers at Wirral (1923-1938) 1,035 for Wallasey, registers at Wirral (1928-1943) Many thanks to Helen Gill and colleagues for these. ------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Hi Lesley, I am still on the Robinson trail. I was asking for more info on Samuel Robinson to George and Ann 11 Dec 1825 listed as at Sunderland Street Wesleyan. I have now found this on FMP but the image is a page from Prestbury PR. All other info as per index and as George was a silk weaver I have now crossed him off my list. I wonder of you could look at the two baptism images from FMP for Sutton Wesleyan. Something is not right here, what do you think? kind regards Chris Bowden On 21/05/2014 20:35, Lesley Baxendale wrote: > Hi again Chris, > > Image attached. You are right - illegitimate, no father given. > > There is also a baptism in Sandbach for a George Robinson in 1815. > Father John. Would that one be any use to you? > > Regards > > Lesley > > On 21/05/2014 17:42, Chris Bowden wrote: >> Hi Lesley, >> thank you so much for the images, yes the "Ann Robinson Baptism date >> 03 Dec 1823 Baptism year 1823 Father's first name George Father's last >> name Robinson Mother's first name Hannah Mother's last name Robinson >> Place SANDBACH" Is definately a child of my George and Hannah and this >> is the one who on the census states her birthplace as Macclesfield. >> After this event there are no more found references to George and Hannah >> until the baptism of their son Thomas at Manchester in 1834. I am >> therefore unable to find what happened to them in between. It is >> ultimately my quest to find the marriage and maiden name of Hannah. >> There is one other strange reference to George and Hannah at Sandbach >> and several sources point to the baptism of George to George and Hannah >> in 30 March 1813. >> My recollection of this register entry differs and I am sure the >> register does not show any named father and in the occupation column it >> appears to read illegit. >> Do you have access to the original image? >> many thanks >> Chris Bowden >> On 21/05/2014 17:19, Lesley Baxendale wrote: >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> Yes there are loads of chapels in and around Macclesfield. The mill >>> workers were very militant at one point, especially after Charles >>> Wesley visited. He founded the chapel on Sunderland Street. >>> >>> However, many of these chapels didn't appear until the 1830's along >>> with many of the churches, so St Michael, Christ Church and St Peter, >>> Prestbury are your best bet for earlier years. St Peter was the >>> mother church so a lot happened there or is listed in it's records as >>> being carried out in one of the attached chapelrys. >>> >>> St Georges (technically Sutton township, but actually near Macc town >>> centre) was built in 1822 as an independent chapel but only lasted 6 >>> years on it's own before becoming a chapelry to St Peters. It closed >>> in 1997, but apparently all the records are at Cheshire Record Office, >>> which infers that they will be on FMP. I've never spotted anyone >>> baptised there when I've been searching though. >>> >>> Non conformists are a difficult group to track down in Macclesfield, >>> there were so many of them and many of the records haven't survived. >>> >>> I had another look on FMP - nothing so far in Macc, but I found an Ann >>> in Sandbach in 1823, father George, a shoemaker. - I've attached the >>> image. There are two Ann Robinson's on the page, this is the second: >>> >>> >>> First name ANN >>> Last name ROBINSON >>> Gender Female >>> Birth year 1823 >>> Baptism date 03 Dec 1823 >>> Baptism year 1823 >>> Father's first name George >>> Father's last name Robinson >>> Mother's first name Hannah >>> Mother's last name Robinson >>> Place SANDBACH >>> City Or Town Sandbach >>> County Cheshire >>> Country England >>> Record set Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms >>> c1538-1910 >>> Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records >>> Record collection Births & baptisms >>> Collections from Great Britain >>> >>> Cheshire Archives and Local Studies >>> >>> Transcriptions © Family Search >>> >>> Didn't manage to find a Hannah born about 1826 though. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Lesley >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21/05/2014 13:55, Chris Bowden wrote: >>>> Hi Lesley, I have checked out from the Cheshire PR Project and >>>> found at >>>> Macclesfield Thomas Barker Robinson, Elizabeth Barker Robinson and >>>> Mary >>>> Ann Robinson all were children of Thomas and Hannah Robinson so >>>> have now >>>> been eliminated from my search. However I did not find the two >>>> daughters >>>> of George Robinson the shoemaker (Ann c1824 and Hannah 1826) on the PR >>>> database. I assume there must be many more Churches and Chapels in the >>>> Macclesfield which are not covered by the project. >>>> regards >>>> Chris Bowden >> >>

I am searching for place were he was laid to rest .he died in st cathrines hospital in 1925 in birkenhead name was evan Thomas he worked on the tug boats ,also he lived mill street higher tranmere.can any help. Sent from my iPad

Greetings I hope to move to Australia next year and the fiche reader would be rather bulky to take with me. I'd be happy to donate it (plus fiches) to a local FH group or perhaps pass the lot on to an individual. I live in Lancaster - sadly no longer in Cheshire, thought I just had a bonza time in Peckforton Castle this weekend. Please e-mail me if you're interested, or know someone who might be. We could then perhaps discuss things by phone. Good wishes Lynda Burke, nee Chetwood >

Hi Tim, I have them taken from the film at Northwich Library. I also have some supporting notes on the family, so I'll send you a note off-list. regards, Elaine Joseph b.25 MAR 1809 bap 26 JUL 1812 James b.25 NOV 1810 bap 26 JUL 1812 Jane b.31 MAY 1812 bap 26 JUL 1812 Subject: [CHS] Molyneux I have Joseph, James and Jane Molyneux baptised together on 26 July 1812 at Witton, Northwich. Typically FMP has only half of the page copied. Does anyone have the second half that would give me their birth dates please? Regards Tim Moore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Joseph, James and Jane Molyneux baptised together on 26 July 1812 at Witton, Northwich. Typically FMP has only half of the page copied. Does anyone have the second half that would give me their birth dates please? Regards Tim Moore

<<snipped>> On findmypast and familysearch I found a reference to his christening on 23 february 1639 with a father of Johis. <<snipped>> You're in "Latin" names at that point. So far as I can see the letters *are* Johis but with an abbreviation bar above, so I'd transcribe it - rightly or wrongly - as Joh'is. This is short for "Johannis", the Latin form of John. James would be rendered as "Jacobus" or some abbreviation of it. The letter like a reversed "3" is a form for "h" - none of the "b" variants in my book (Hilary Marshall's "Palaeography for Family & Local Historians") look anything like this. Adrian B PS - "Latin" at this point is often referred to as "Church Latin" as it tends not to look too much like Caesar's language, so some English names, with no Roman equivalents, are barely altered.

All, Thank you very much for the prompt replies! This does leave me in a bit of a pickle, since earlier folks researching Thomas's father were convinced he is James, but there's no evidence right now for that. The search continues. I appreciate everyone's help. Cheers,, Tony On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> wrote: > <<snipped>> > On findmypast and familysearch I found a reference to his christening on > 23 > february 1639 with a father of Johis. > <<snipped>> > > You're in "Latin" names at that point. So far as I can see the letters > *are* > Johis but with an abbreviation bar above, so I'd transcribe it - rightly or > wrongly - as Joh'is. This is short for "Johannis", the Latin form of John. > James would be rendered as "Jacobus" or some abbreviation of it. > > The letter like a reversed "3" is a form for "h" - none of the "b" variants > in my book (Hilary Marshall's "Palaeography for Family & Local Historians") > look anything like this. > > Adrian B > PS - "Latin" at this point is often referred to as "Church Latin" as it > tends not to look too much like Caesar's language, so some English names, > with no Roman equivalents, are barely altered. > > >

Thank you to both Ruth and Martin for their information/suggestions re my query regarding sailing dates of the SS Scythia from New York to Liverpool in August 1937. Irene