Hi Eric, Thanks for replying, "My" Mary Hannah is ruled out by the fact that the lady on BMD was married. Mary Hannah was recorded as aged 41, unmarried and head of household, on the 1911 census for Northwich. However Familysearch shows the burial, in Northwich, of a Mary Hannah Burgess in 1952 aged 82 (which makes more arithmetic sense, as she was born in 1869, than looking at 1942). I will have to get myself down to Northwich Library & have a look at the micro-fiches to see what I can find. Regards, & thanks, Bob. In a message dated 04/08/2014 12:21:51 GMT Daylight Time, bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk writes: Bob, A Mary Hannah BURGESS is on the 1911 census at Romiley (adjacent to Bredbury) aged 51, wife of Edward. However she is recorded as being born in Stockport so it may be that this is the person whose death you found on ChesBMD and that she is not the one you are looking for. The oldest child on the 1911 census was born about 1891 so the marriage may have been about that date but there had been 2 other children who had died before 1911. Check for a marriage for Edward to a Hannah around 1880-1890. I also suggest checking earlier censuses to confirm the birth location. A school headmistress would perhaps be more likely to be unmarried and as you have a birth date (as BURGESS?) it would suggest that she was a spinster at death. Good luck Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7978 - Release Date: 08/04/14

Good morning listers, Is there any kind soul who can help me fill in some detail with information regarding my great grandfather's sister? MARY HANNAH BURGESS b. Northwich 1869 on the 1911 census at 3 Elm Street Northwich, 1913, Head mistress, possibly at Castle Girl's School, Northwich, Cheshire BMD records the death in 1941 in the subdistrict of Bredbury, of a Mary Hannah Burgess 82 years. Without buying the certificate, can anyone confirm anything from the actual register? ie marital status, former occupation etc, etc. Many thanks, Bob Mather in sunny Barnton

Ruth and Lynda, If you check out the Cheshire List Archives you will see mention of Rena King's Bible Inscription Index. Not sure if it's still going but we used to send any we found to her.. Cheers, Lyn

snipped: << From: Lynda Burke < lynda@chetwood.org> Subject: Re: [CHS] For your Booklist - Libertys Dawn Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:55:22 +0100 References: <000001cfaefc$941a0ac0$bc4e2040$@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <000001cfaefc$941a0ac0$bc4e2040$@btinternet.com> Yes, Ruth I'm sure many of us have longed to find a way to preserve more such writings. Having seen so many family bibles in junk shops, I wonder of there might be a way to acquire them, and make the family events digitally available to all. A lottery application, perhaps? What do you think? Lynda Burrke, nee Chetwood >> Hi Lynda - great! Your idea may well have legs. I certainly think it's worth consideration and a bit of lateral thinking. I'm pretty sure that the Heritage Lottery Fund might be interested in the idea. We could try to get Emma Griffin on side - it's always useful to have support from an 'expert' when applying to such funders. Hey! I could get excited about this. Thanks, Lynda. Ruth

I recently attended a talk by Dr. Sandra HAYTON on the cellar dwellers of Manchester and neighbouring towns (including Stockport). My tree contains several instances of cellar dwellers in Stockport and it is salutory to read about them . Sandra's PhD thesis is online and Googling her name will bring up several references. Perhaps a talk at one or more FHSC group meetings could be arranged. I think she is based at Salford Heritage centre. To whet your appetites (or kill them?) here is what Friederich ENGELS wrote in 1845: "There is Stockport, too, which lies on the Cheshire side of the Mersey, but belongs nevertheless to the manufacturing district of Manchester. It lies in a narrow valley along the Mersey, so that the streets slope down a steep hill on one side and up an equally steep one on the other, while the railway from Manchester to Birmingham passes over a high viaduct above the city and the whole valley. Stockport is renowned throughout the entire district as one of the duskiest, smokiest holes, and looks, indeed, especially when viewed from the viaduct, excessively repellent. But far more repulsive are the cottages and cellar dwellings of the working-class, which stretch in long rows through all parts of the town from the valley bottom to the crest of the hill. I do not remember to have seen so many cellars used as dwellings in any other town of this district. " Friedrich Engels, The Condition of the Working Class in England, 1845 Enjoy and learn. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7967 - Release Date: 08/02/14

Yes, Ruth I'm sure many of us have longed to find a way to preserve more such wriitings. Having seen so many family bibles in junk shops, I wonder of there might be a way to acquire them, and make the family events digitally available to all. A lottery application, perhaps? What do you think? Lynda Burrke, nee Chetwood On 3 August 2014 10:23, Ruth Genda via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Liberty's Dawn is a book researched and written recently (pub 2014) by Emma > Griffin, suggesting a fresh look at the Industrial Revolution. Griffin is > an academic (Professor of History at University of East Anglia) - but don't > let that put you off. She writes engagingly. > > > > Her premise is that 'The Industrial Revolution brought not simply misery > and > poverty [to the Common People] . it raised incomes, improved literacy, and > offered exciting opportunities for political action. For many this was a > period of new, and much valued, sexual and cultural freedom.' > > > > She attempts to show this through some 350 'autobiographies' written by > working class men and women of the period that she has found - some > published, some held in record offices up and down the UK, some at length > and some merely scraps of paper, and mostly written by self-taught writers. > > > > > Whatever you may think of it, the premise challenges. Griffin makes strong > claims based on slender evidence. But it's certainly an intriguing one and > the stories themselves are fascinating. In other words it's a good read. > > > > The fact that it stirs the brain is not such a bad thing either. There are > many of us who have inherited writings and letters of our ancestors stashed > away in cupboards, under beds, in forgotten files and scrapbooks that we > think are of no value to anyone but ourselves. Recently we have been > seeing > WW1 material on TV. There is also the occasional object which appears on > Antiques Roadshow or (even worse Flog It or e-bay) which made me think > about > a national collection in the making. But beyond that thought I personally > am stuck. I have limited computer skills, a dodgy memory and little time. > Record Offices don't always want to take material which they see as being > only of interest to an individual family but Griffin has shown that such > material can have a wider significance. > > > > Maybe this is a thought for another day - in the meantime, I recommend the > book! > > > > Griffin, Emma, Liberty's Dawn: A people's history of the Industrial > Revolution, Yale University Press, 2014 ISBN 978-0-300-20525-1 > (paperback) > > I borrowed mine from the local library. > > > > Enjoy. > > Ruth > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liberty's Dawn is a book researched and written recently (pub 2014) by Emma Griffin, suggesting a fresh look at the Industrial Revolution. Griffin is an academic (Professor of History at University of East Anglia) - but don't let that put you off. She writes engagingly. Her premise is that 'The Industrial Revolution brought not simply misery and poverty [to the Common People] . it raised incomes, improved literacy, and offered exciting opportunities for political action. For many this was a period of new, and much valued, sexual and cultural freedom.' She attempts to show this through some 350 'autobiographies' written by working class men and women of the period that she has found - some published, some held in record offices up and down the UK, some at length and some merely scraps of paper, and mostly written by self-taught writers. Whatever you may think of it, the premise challenges. Griffin makes strong claims based on slender evidence. But it's certainly an intriguing one and the stories themselves are fascinating. In other words it's a good read. The fact that it stirs the brain is not such a bad thing either. There are many of us who have inherited writings and letters of our ancestors stashed away in cupboards, under beds, in forgotten files and scrapbooks that we think are of no value to anyone but ourselves. Recently we have been seeing WW1 material on TV. There is also the occasional object which appears on Antiques Roadshow or (even worse Flog It or e-bay) which made me think about a national collection in the making. But beyond that thought I personally am stuck. I have limited computer skills, a dodgy memory and little time. Record Offices don't always want to take material which they see as being only of interest to an individual family but Griffin has shown that such material can have a wider significance. Maybe this is a thought for another day - in the meantime, I recommend the book! Griffin, Emma, Liberty's Dawn: A people's history of the Industrial Revolution, Yale University Press, 2014 ISBN 978-0-300-20525-1 (paperback) I borrowed mine from the local library. Enjoy. Ruth

Seems OK here, apart the improved search not finding a match without a lot of fiddling around. At least not as bad as FMP. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mrs L. McCulloch via Sent: 02 August 2014 17:44 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Is Ancestry down? Anyone else having problems with Ancestry.com? I can't get the search facility to work at all. It is very frustrating.The Ancestry website claims that all is well. Cheers, Lyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just tried a search and it worked for me. Can't think why you can't get search results. Sorry Jackie On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Mrs L. McCulloch via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Anyone else having problems with Ancestry.com? I can't get the search > facility to work at all. It is very frustrating.The Ancestry website > claims that all is well. > Cheers, > Lyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anyone else having problems with Ancestry.com? I can't get the search facility to work at all. It is very frustrating.The Ancestry website claims that all is well. Cheers, Lyn

Hi Lesley, Thanks for your reply, In reading the thread it doesn't make it clear if Mosley Moss is in West Heath, or just somewhere near. I now believe, having gone into it in more detail and finding the baptism of the individuals involved says they were from Congleton Moss, that the place referred to must be Mossley Moss though Mowsley is written quite clearly. Thanks again Christine

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD -------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Births: 2,099 for Stockport First, registers at Stockport (1966-1966) Many thanks to Peter Greenwood and colleagues for these. -------- Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Hi Christine, I found a short thread on one of the Rootsweb lists. It gives Mosley Moss, West Heath, which could be it. West Heath is on the A534 out of Congleton towards Sandbach. It would have been in Astbury parish. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENBRIT/2004-06/1087512790 Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 29/07/2014 17:18, Christine Benson via wrote: > Hi All, > > I have on a census Mowsley Moss as a birth place. On other censuses it is > Astbury & Congleton. I can find Mow Lane, which might be a clue, also > Mossley but I cannot see Astbury being given as an alternative to Mossley. > Can anyone pinpoint Mowsley Moss for me? > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Thank you Gill. Very good thought and I hadn't But I have just been having a look and I can't find it. I will come back to that later when I have time. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Gill Gladwin Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:26 PM To: Christine Benson Cc: CHESHIRE mailing list Subject: Re: [CHS] Where is Mowsley Moss near Congleton & Astbury Have you tried the Cheshire Tithe maps ? Gill

Have you tried the Cheshire Tithe maps ? Gill Sent from my iPad > On 29 Jul 2014, at 17:18, Christine Benson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have on a census Mowsley Moss as a birth place. On other censuses it is > Astbury & Congleton. I can find Mow Lane, which might be a clue, also > Mossley but I cannot see Astbury being given as an alternative to Mossley. > Can anyone pinpoint Mowsley Moss for me? > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I have on a census Mowsley Moss as a birth place. On other censuses it is Astbury & Congleton. I can find Mow Lane, which might be a clue, also Mossley but I cannot see Astbury being given as an alternative to Mossley. Can anyone pinpoint Mowsley Moss for me? Any help gratefully received Christine

Thanks for the post, I have just clicked on the link, and put the street address for my gt gt grandmother in, and found her original signature on the census image; very exciting IMO. I hang my clothes in what was this ladies wardrobe, and keep my socks in what was her dressing table. Lxx On 28 July 2014 11:56, Stuart Phethean via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Gill, > > Try going to: > > http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352 > > This will take you to the 1911 England Census search page. Scroll down the > page and enter your street address in the "Street Address" box. If its a > common street name you will perhaps need to add the location in the "Lived > In - Location" box. I just tried it with "Bury New Road" and "Bolton" and > it worked for me. > > Regards, > > Stuart > > > > > On 28/07/2014 09:09, "Gill Gladwin via" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I have tried this but can't find a "street " box on the ancestry site. > > Gill > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 27 Jul 2014, at 09:49, <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> > >> Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on > '1911 > >> England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see > 'Street > >> address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page > for > >> it. > >> > >> David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the advice,yes it works . Gill Sent from my iPad > On 28 Jul 2014, at 11:56, Stuart Phethean <genealogy07@phethean.co.uk> wrote: > > Gill, > > Try going to: > > http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352 > > This will take you to the 1911 England Census search page. Scroll down the > page and enter your street address in the "Street Address" box. If its a > common street name you will perhaps need to add the location in the "Lived > In - Location" box. I just tried it with "Bury New Road" and "Bolton" and > it worked for me. > > Regards, > > Stuart > > > > >> On 28/07/2014 09:09, "Gill Gladwin via" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> I have tried this but can't find a "street " box on the ancestry site. >> Gill >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 27 Jul 2014, at 09:49, <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>> Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on '1911 >>> England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see 'Street >>> address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page for >>> it. >>> >>> David > >

Gill, Try going to: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352 This will take you to the 1911 England Census search page. Scroll down the page and enter your street address in the "Street Address" box. If its a common street name you will perhaps need to add the location in the "Lived In - Location" box. I just tried it with "Bury New Road" and "Bolton" and it worked for me. Regards, Stuart On 28/07/2014 09:09, "Gill Gladwin via" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have tried this but can't find a "street " box on the ancestry site. > Gill > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 27 Jul 2014, at 09:49, <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on '1911 >> England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see 'Street >> address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page for >> it. >> >> David

I have tried this but can't find a "street " box on the ancestry site. Gill Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jul 2014, at 09:49, <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Click on the 1911 census then towards the bottom of the next page on '1911 > England Census'. On the next page towards the bottom you will see 'Street > address' If you enter the address there you should get the census page for > it. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Gill Gladwin via > Sent: 26 July 2014 22:29 > To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Searching on Ancestry > > Hello, I have found some new information about my grandfather's war record. > I would like to check an address that he was living at when he signed up in > 1916. I thought I would look at 1911 census but he was living elsewhere > then,how can I find out who was living in a house without having a > surname,only street name ? > Thanks > Gill > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >