Hi Lillian, Thanks for your reply. Illegitimacy was my favourite solution to the riddle but with the name Sutton, living in Sutton, she could be a foundling, it could be an error, or something else I haven’t thought of. But I left out reasons so as not to put preconceptions in other’s minds. Thanks again Christine From: Lilian Andrew Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:32 AM To: Christine Benson ; Cheshire List Subject: Re: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hello Christine, I may have an explanation for Sarah Sutton stating her father to be James Goodwin. I have a couple of these instances in my tree. It probably means that Sarah was born illegitimately, but she was told her father was James Goodwin and she's had this put on her marriage certificate. In one case I found a bastardy bond taken out by the mother as a way of making the father contribute towards the child's upbringing. Something to consider is that Sarah's mother may have married this James Goodwin after her birth and she passed as Sarah Goodwin in the census return until she came to marry. This happened to my great Grandfather, James Weaver. Good hunting Lilian Andrew Sydney -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Benson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> To: CHESHIRE mailing list <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014, 23:38 Subject: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the Chapelry of Wincle burials there is a burial 23 Apr 1848 of a Sarah Whittaker aged 27, abode Sutton, died April 20th and also (same chapel) June 28th 1848 a burial of Sarah Whittaker aged 1 year, abode Sutton, died June 24th. I did find a Joshua Whitaker in 1851, widower, born Gawsworth fancy trimmer living at Lunt Hill, Sutton, Macclesfield, son in law to head of household Mary Thorp, widow, washerwoman born c1793 at Wincle. Included in the household is Hannah Sutton, grandaughter born c1838 and Mary Whitaker born c1844 at Sutton. The surname Sutton in the household seemed a bt of a coincidence and in 1841 there is a Sarah Sutton born c1821 and Hannah Sutton born c1838 in the household of John and Mary Thorp at Bunker Hill, Prestbury, Macclesfield. I couldn't find them in 1861. In 1871 Josiah is in Manchester with wife Alice and stepdaughters. There is a marriage of John Thorp to Mary Sutton at Prestbury 21 Mar 1825. I would suggest that Sarah is the daughter baptised at Wincle 23 July 1820, mother Sarah Mary Sutton on PR (the Sarah is blotted) and Mary Sutton on Bishop's Transcripts. Presumably, the father was James Goodwin. Mary subsequently married John Thorp. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 02/09/2014 - 14:38 (UTC) To : CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From FMP: James SUTTON, farmer of Macclesfield Forest m Sarah HANDFORD of Rainow 19 Feb 1817 Sarah SUTTON d of James and Sarah SUTTON of Macclesfield Forest, farmer bap 8 Apr 1821 Sarah SUTTON m Josiah WHITTAKER (Sarah's father named as James GOODWIN) 20 Aug 1843 Sarah WHITTAKER of Sutton d/o Josiah & Sarah WHITTAKER bap Oct 1847 (Josiah's occupation F...y Trimmer) Sarah WHITTAKER of Sutton died 20 Apr, bur 23 Apr 1848 Wincle Chapelry Sarah WHITTAKER of Sutton died 24 Jun, bur 28 Jun 1848 aged 1 Wincle Chapelry All appears perfectly legitimate. I suggest Vicar simply made an error/got his wires crossed/had a senior moment. Ruth

Hello Christine, I may have an explanation for Sarah Sutton stating her father to be James Goodwin. I have a couple of these instances in my tree. It probably means that Sarah was born illegitimately, but she was told her father was James Goodwin and she's had this put on her marriage certificate. In one case I found a bastardy bond taken out by the mother as a way of making the father contribute towards the child's upbringing. Something to consider is that Sarah's mother may have married this James Goodwin after her birth and she passed as Sarah Goodwin in the census return until she came to marry. This happened to my great Grandfather, James Weaver. Good hunting Lilian Andrew Sydney ________________________________ From: Christine Benson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> To: CHESHIRE mailing list <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014, 23:38 Subject: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for the second message, meant to go to Clwyd, but forgot to change the TO: heading. Must be that I am too excited. Cheers Graham PS. Cheshire is still my favourite as well. :-[

Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine

Good morning list I've left much of the contents of this email on the Cheshire list, but thought it was worth sharing with my dear old favourite Clwyd list, considering that a marriage or two were carried out at St. Giles, Wrexham. Just wondering if anyone has any connections to the Duckworth family, which lived at The Heys, Eastham in the Wirral, and if the old home is still there? Joseph Battersby Duckworth and his son Walter Battersby Duckworth, though living in Cheshire & Lancashire, were also cotton merchants at Savannah, Georgia. Joseph at one time being the High Sheriff of Cheshire. I have recently discovered that my second cousin twice removed, Kathleen Nancy Jones of Wrexham married William Innes Duckworth at Wrexham in 1938. Both are deceased, William in 1970 and Kathleen in 2007 at the age of 91. So far not known if they had children - Cheshire BMD shows a wide range of unconfirmed Duckworth/Jones births up to the 1950s. In the 2002 electoral rolls I have discovered a person (still living so not named on the list) in the Wirral who was living with Kathleen at the time, so I intend to contact this person, who hopefully, may be able to give me some further details.... only a little nervous about this because the person is 90 years of age. Anyway, this has been an exciting research find, also discovering a website by Clare O'Hare on the Duckworth family, which reveals much but so far doesn't descend any further than Walter Battersby Duckworth 1879-1955. So, just when research seems a little slow and stubborn, bingo, something turns up to lighten the genealogical heart and keep us going. Any further thoughts? Best wishes Graham Melbourne, Oz

Good morning list Just wondering if anyone has any connections to the Duckworth family, which lived at The Heys, Eastham in the Wirral, and if the old home is still there? Joseph Battersby Duckworth and his son Walter Battersby Duckworth, though living in Cheshire & Lancashire, were also cotton merchants at Savannah, Georgia. Joseph at one time being the High Sheriff of Cheshire. I have recently discovered that my second cousin twice removed, Kathleen Nancy Jones of Wrexham married William Innes Duckworth at Wrexham in 1938. Both are deceased, William in 1970 and Kathleen in 2007 at the age of 91. So far not known if they had children - Cheshire BMD shows a wide range of unconfirmed Duckworth/Jones births up to the 1950s. In the 2002 electoral rolls I have discovered a person (still living so not named on the list) in the Wirral who was living with Kathleen at the time, so I intend to contact this person, who hopefully, may be able to give me some further details.... only a little nervous about this because the person is 90 years of age. Anyway, this has been an exciting research find, also discovering a website by Clare O'Hare on the Duckworth family, which reveals much but so far doesn't descend any further than Walter Battersby Duckworth 1879-1955. So, just when research seems a little slow and stubbortn, bingo, something turns up to lighten the genealogical heart and keep us going. Any further thoughts? Best wishes Graham Melbourne, Oz

On 22 July I posted a help request on the list, as I was about to start researching my late father's service in 1918 during which he was wounded - battlefield unknown. Any listers about to start similar research should see the useful instructional video "*Webinar: Tracing British battalions or regiments during the first world war*" which was loaded today on the TNA web-site: http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/tag/webinars/ Also helpful is "*Tracing Your First World War Ancestors*" by Simon Fowler and this explains that you can obtain a soldier's active service Battalion from the medal rolls in TNA Class W329, the appropriate medal roll reference being on the medal index card. Unfortunately these medal rolls have to be consulted at Kew as they are not available on-line. Once the battalion is known the relevant war diaries can be consulted for details of the engagement. Guy Lawton

Many thanks Anne. I think you are absolutely correct with most of them (now why couldn't I see them myself in the first place!!!). The only one I still question is the last one - testatrix - which I was trying to make it into before as it is the word you would expect. But try as I might I cannot make it into that. The style of writing and the out of focus image don't help. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: anne-walsh@sky.com via Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:27 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Will of Mary Ann Whittaker Hi Christine, I think the missing words are remunerated* for any trouble* I may giver her or work she may do, the word after household I think is hereditaments, and finally, signed by the said testatrix* HTH Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine, I think the missing words are remunerated* for any trouble* I may giver her or work she may do, the word after household I think is hereditaments, and finally, signed by the said testatrix* HTH Anne

Hi All, I am having difficulty reading the Will of Mary Ann WHITTAKER of Great King Street, Macclesfield (1825-13 Nov 1891) on Findmypast. Would someone be good enough to take a look for me. Item 5, right hand page (just opposite "Blank in Original" in LH margin. It reads something like 5 I give to Elizabeth Stubbs (Wife of ________ Stubbs of High Street Macclesfield the sum of five pounds and my trustees shall buy for her a suit of black and she shall be ??? also for any ??? I may give her a ??? she may do for me in my lifetime. What is the word in item 6 after houses and h????? What is the word towards the bottom Signed by the said ???? Mary Ann Whittaker Any help greatly appreciated Christine

The first programme is repeated late tonight. HISTORY DOCUMENTARY: The Real Mill with Tony Robinson On: more4 Date: Monday 1st September 2014 (starting tomorrow morning) Time: 01:35 to 02:35 (1 hour long) Tony Robinson explores the true story of the factory workers whose blood, sweat and toil forged the Industrial Revolution. He finds out how they launched a wave of social change that laid the foundation for the country we know today. His investigation focuses on Quarry Bank Mill in Cheshire, which inspired Channel 4's drama series The Mill. In this second episode, Tony and social historian Professor Emma Griffin discover how, as industrialisation transformed Britain, workers across the country joined together to fight for their rights. By the 1810s, steam engines were powering factories as never before, and Quarry Bank was no exception. But the steam-fuelled industrial boom had a tumultuous effect on the social fabric of the nation. (Repeat, Part 2 of 2, Last In Series, Subtitles) Director: Lucy Haken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346 Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Genda via Sent: 31 August 2014 17:46 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Quarry Bank Mill This may be of interest to people researching ancestors during the Industrial Revolution. At 9.00 pm tonight on Channel 4's More 4 Tony Robinson is exploring 'The Real Mill'. http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings/daily/2014/08/31#M4_21:00

This may be of interest to people researching ancestors during the Industrial Revolution. At 9.00 pm tonight on Channel 4's More 4 Tony Robinson is exploring 'The Real Mill'. http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings/daily/2014/08/31#M4_21:00 "New series: The story of how Britain's Industrial Revolution workers fought for the rights we take for granted today, via bloodshed in Manchester and successful demands for change. Tony and social historian Professor Emma Griffin discover who the Quarry Bank mill workers were and where they came from. They included orphan children who were legally bound to work at the mill, and adult workers who trekked hundreds of miles from the deprived south of England to secure work. Tony explores how the mill's visionary founder, Samuel Greg, offered this workforce an extraordinary deal. In exchange for their labour, he provided a factory community, with houses, a church, a school, 'adult education' classes and a shop. But Tony discovers how this close relationship between employer and worker came under pressure when one young girl began to question the system." Ruth

Heres hoping that this series pops up in Canada, Most of Tony's Series show up over here eventually . Dave D. Ontario On 2014-08-31, at 1:08 PM, Martin Briscoe via wrote: > The first programme is repeated late tonight. > > > HISTORY DOCUMENTARY: The Real Mill with Tony Robinson > On: more4 > Date: Monday 1st September 2014 (starting tomorrow morning) > Time: 01:35 to 02:35 (1 hour long) > > Tony Robinson explores the true story of the factory workers whose blood, > sweat and toil forged the Industrial Revolution. He finds out how they > launched a wave of social change that laid the foundation for the country we > know today. His investigation focuses on Quarry Bank Mill in Cheshire, which > inspired Channel 4's drama series The Mill. In this second episode, Tony and > social historian Professor Emma Griffin discover how, as industrialisation > transformed Britain, workers across the country joined together to fight for > their rights. By the 1810s, steam engines were powering factories as never > before, and Quarry Bank was no exception. But the steam-fuelled industrial > boom had a tumultuous effect on the social fabric of the nation. > (Repeat, Part 2 of 2, Last In Series, Subtitles) > > Director: Lucy Haken > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from > http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346 > > Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ruth Genda via > Sent: 31 August 2014 17:46 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Quarry Bank Mill > > This may be of interest to people researching ancestors during the > Industrial Revolution. > > At 9.00 pm tonight on Channel 4's More 4 Tony Robinson is exploring 'The > Real Mill'. > http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings/daily/2014/08/31#M4_21:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Hi List Could you please help, I am interested in anyone researching Davis in the Cheshire area from the mid 1800's to say 1900. I am trying to trace a William Davis who was born about 1866. He lived at Denaby in Yorkshire by the 1901 census. On the 1911 census he said he was from Chester, Cheshire. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Regards John Lindley

Opps. Sorry The link I sent was just for one image (and possibly the least interesting one). To access all of them use https://www.flickr.com/photos/manchesterarchiveplus/5856208917/in/set and navigateogate using the arrows on either side of the images. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8120 - Release Date: 08/29/14

May I recommend a visit to this site: https://www.flickr.com/photos/manchesterarchiveplus/5856208917/in/set-72157626881383599/ where you will find a fascinating series of old sketches etc of old buildings etc in the Stockport area and also further afield. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8120 - Release Date: 08/29/14

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD: ------------ Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 33 for Cheadle Heath, St John's Methodist Church (Stockport Road), registers at Stockport (1991-2011) 504 for Tranmere, St Paul, registers at Wirral (1941-1949) 251 for Prenton, St Stephen, registers at Wirral (1943-1951) 253 for Woodchurch, Holy Cross, registers at Wirral (1942-1951) 53 for Rock Ferry, Trinity Methodist Church (New Chester Road), registers at Wirral (1944-1956) 175 for Upton, United Reformed Church (Ford Road), registers at Wirral (1943-1977) 998 for Bebington, St Andrew, registers at Wirral (1935-1948) Many thanks to Helen Gill, Peter Greenwood and their respective colleagues for these. ----------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Just a few thoughts Tony:- A lot depends if you want Google to find them or if you just want to point a few relatives at the photos. Also if you want to make it easy for others to browse quickly and then click on some pictures to read more about what you know of the dates, places and people. Solutions range from:- . Using your own personal web space . Using a photo sharing system like Flickr or SmugMug . Using a free Blog Mechanism such as Wordpress (but there are many others) that allow you to post pictures, followed by a short bit of text. also blog.com or see review of 6 sites at <http://sixrevisions.com/tools/top-free-online-blogging/> I also mention another mechanism that can be quite effective for noting information relating to a photograph:- For every photo that you scan [with say a name P1234] Use MS Paint to create a second copy of the picture, P1234a (so it sorts next) But overwrite this copy with text indicating a Title, Dates, and even persons. Best regards Gordon +Z ########################### At 11:37 28/08/2014, Tony Vernon via wrote: >Hello, > >Recently I found several hundred family photos of my grandmother's, >including some that date back to the 1800's. I'm very excited about the >find! I have begun scanning them. Many are labelled, which makes things a >lot easier. By comparison I should be able to figure out some folks, and >my dad's cousin is still alive so she may be able to help as well. > >All that aside, I'm trying to figure out how to present these online. I am >scanning front and back (as my grandmother labelled many of them). Can >anyone suggest a website or program that's useful for presenting pictures >online? I have researched ways to preserve the photos themselves but don't >know how to publish the images. Any suggestions would be appreciated! > >Cheers, >Tony [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602