Lynda - this information should be directed to Leslie Rowlands. I've copied the list on this post so she can pick it up. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: George and Lynda [mailto:georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com] Sent: 09 October 2014 21:06 To: 'Ruth' Subject: RE: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Hi Ruth Edward Rowland born 1762 Cheshire died 1813 Alford Hannah Griffiths " 1762 " " MARRIED 10 MARCH 1784 Cheshire Children Thomas Rowland born 1790 Alford George " " 1794 " Edward " " 1796 " Hannah " " 1799 " Elizabeth " " 1802 " Ann " " 1807 " lynda -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth via Sent: 09 October 2014 12:20 To: 'Leslie Rowlands'; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Rowlands via Sent: 09 October 2014 11:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

According to v.3 of the Bertram Merrel Marriage Index, another Hannah GRIFFIES married James BYRON on 7th April 1783 at Prestbury. There is no mention of the marriage to Edward Rowland. Ruth in Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Rowlands via Sent: 09 October 2014 11:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Rowlands via Sent: 09 October 2014 11:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les

According to letters written to her, my great aunt (born in 1884) went to college in Stockport. Unfortunately I don't have the envelopes so I don't know her address at the time. In the 1901 census she is still at school in Newcastle upon Tyne; in the 1911 census she is a Physical Instructress in Newcastle. I don't know if the Stockport college was specifically a PE college or a teachers' training college. If she went there when she was eighteen and it was a three-year course she would have been there between about 1902 and 1905 Would anyone have any idea which college this might have been? Thanks in advance - Tom

I used to live near Wildboarclough; there used to be a carpet mill there (sorry I can't tell you the dates, certainly demolished in the early 20Cent. but the worker's cottages remain to current time) It could be the connection to the textile trade. If he was a pauper could he have been "unloaded" by the Blackburn Poor Authorities back to Macclesfield as his birth parish? David Gregory

<<snipped>> On 07/10/2014 02:02, Chris Burningham via wrote: > ... would it be possible that a pauper or crofter would travel from Blackburn to Wildboarclough (Macclesfield Forest area) and then back up to Macclesfield? <<snipped>> While anything is possible, it strikes me as unlikely **for a pauper / crofter** to go from Blackburn to the Macc. area. However, if the guy had a specialist line of work, say in textiles, then it becomes more likely that, if trade in the Blackburn area was down, one might travel to get work in the silk mills of Macc or whatever else is in the area. However, to avoid the mills of Manchester, which lies between those two places, seems less likely. <<snipped>>... The thought of them not being married is also possible, but why would they get their children baptized...that doesn't usually go hand in hand. <<snipped>> Actually I'd say that does go hand-in-hand quite often. If they were not religious, then they might not get their children baptised but they'd pretty much need to be married for all sorts of civil reasons. And if they were fairly religious, then there might be a simple reason why they couldn't get married (e.g. previous partner still living) but they might still want to join the church and get their children baptised. I have several instances of baptisms to unmarried parents where someone has clearly been lying, as the parents are represented as married. No easy answers for you, I'm afraid! Adrian

Wanting to thank those who have looked at my post for Richard Brindley and Nancy Lowe. I looked at the marriage record for Nancy Law and Richard Brindle and seriously wondered about this record. I keep coming back to it, but it seems so far away from Macclesfield, would it be possible that a pauper or crofter would travel from Blackburn to Wildboarclough (Macclesfield Forest area) and then back up to Macclesfield? doesn't seem practical, but then I don't know the layout in Cheshire and surrounding areas. There is also that child Mary born to a Nancy and Richard Briindle in Blackburn. It could be them, but is it possible? The thought of them not being married is also possible, but why would they get their children baptized...that doesn't usually go hand in hand. I'm very grateful for your checking on this and wonder what other records might be available. Are there more detailed records for the Macclesfield workhouse or school in any archives? On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Elaine Hanson <odessa@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > Chris, > > Might be worth eliminating the following marriage at St Paul's, Blackburn > 5th JAN 1829 Richard Brindle = Nancy LAW, there was a child baptised 11 > MAY 1829 at the same church. > > A Christinna Brindle was baptised at Macclesfield on 5 JUL 1840 dtr of > Richard and Nancy Brindle, pauper. > > regards, > Elaine > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Burningham via > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 6:18 AM > To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Richard & Nancy Brindley Macclesfield Chester, looking for > marriage or death record. > > I'm looking for a* marriage* record for a Richard and Nancy Brindley who > > lived in and around EastMacclesfield, Cheshire. Richard was born about > 1800-1820 in Cheshire -somewhere. Nancy, according to two of her children's > birth records had a maiden name of Lowe, written by the transcriber from > the GRO. I cannot find a Nancy Lowe in a marriage to a Brindley anywhere in > Cheshire. I cannot find a Richard Brindley marrying a Nancy Lowe either. Or > by phonetic spelling. I cannot find either one of them in the 1841 census > in Cheshire, nor the 1851, or any that would make sense. Richard and Nancy > had at least 3-4 children; Thomas b. 1836 at Wilboarclough (Wincle chapel > records); Margaret b. 1838, Macclesfield; Elizabeth Christiana b. 1840 May, > Macclesfield Workhouse (County Chester); and an Ellen, birth ?her father is > listed as a pauper. I can't find them in the 1841 census or thereafter as > Richard and Nancy Brindley, Brindle, Brinly. I have looked for even a clue > anywhere and found none. I'm think that Nancy died before the 1841 census > (after Christinna was born) and the children ended up in > Macclesfield/workhouse school. Family story has that Margaret and Ellen > were at the Macclesfield workhouse/orphanage. Any direction for records or > advice where to look next, would be helpful. Thank you > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Chris, Might be worth eliminating the following marriage at St Paul's, Blackburn 5th JAN 1829 Richard Brindle = Nancy LAW, there was a child baptised 11 MAY 1829 at the same church. A Christinna Brindle was baptised at Macclesfield on 5 JUL 1840 dtr of Richard and Nancy Brindle, pauper. regards, Elaine -----Original Message----- From: Chris Burningham via Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 6:18 AM To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Richard & Nancy Brindley Macclesfield Chester, looking for marriage or death record. I'm looking for a* marriage* record for a Richard and Nancy Brindley who lived in and around EastMacclesfield, Cheshire. Richard was born about 1800-1820 in Cheshire -somewhere. Nancy, according to two of her children's birth records had a maiden name of Lowe, written by the transcriber from the GRO. I cannot find a Nancy Lowe in a marriage to a Brindley anywhere in Cheshire. I cannot find a Richard Brindley marrying a Nancy Lowe either. Or by phonetic spelling. I cannot find either one of them in the 1841 census in Cheshire, nor the 1851, or any that would make sense. Richard and Nancy had at least 3-4 children; Thomas b. 1836 at Wilboarclough (Wincle chapel records); Margaret b. 1838, Macclesfield; Elizabeth Christiana b. 1840 May, Macclesfield Workhouse (County Chester); and an Ellen, birth ?her father is listed as a pauper. I can't find them in the 1841 census or thereafter as Richard and Nancy Brindley, Brindle, Brinly. I have looked for even a clue anywhere and found none. I'm think that Nancy died before the 1841 census (after Christinna was born) and the children ended up in Macclesfield/workhouse school. Family story has that Margaret and Ellen were at the Macclesfield workhouse/orphanage. Any direction for records or advice where to look next, would be helpful. Thank you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No sign on Bertram Merrell Marriage Index either. Lyn

I've tried to find marriages of Brin* to Low* in Findmypast - that should cover Staffordshire as well as Cheshire. Can't see anything that looks like your couple, so there must be a chance they were never married. Adrian On 06/10/2014 06:18, Chris Burningham via wrote: > I'm looking for a* marriage* record for a Richard and Nancy Brindley who > lived in and around EastMacclesfield, Cheshire. Richard was born about > 1800-1820 in Cheshire -somewhere. Nancy, according to two of her children's > birth records had a maiden name of Lowe, ....

I'm looking for a* marriage* record for a Richard and Nancy Brindley who lived in and around EastMacclesfield, Cheshire. Richard was born about 1800-1820 in Cheshire -somewhere. Nancy, according to two of her children's birth records had a maiden name of Lowe, written by the transcriber from the GRO. I cannot find a Nancy Lowe in a marriage to a Brindley anywhere in Cheshire. I cannot find a Richard Brindley marrying a Nancy Lowe either. Or by phonetic spelling. I cannot find either one of them in the 1841 census in Cheshire, nor the 1851, or any that would make sense. Richard and Nancy had at least 3-4 children; Thomas b. 1836 at Wilboarclough (Wincle chapel records); Margaret b. 1838, Macclesfield; Elizabeth Christiana b. 1840 May, Macclesfield Workhouse (County Chester); and an Ellen, birth ?her father is listed as a pauper. I can't find them in the 1841 census or thereafter as Richard and Nancy Brindley, Brindle, Brinly. I have looked for even a clue anywhere and found none. I'm think that Nancy died before the 1841 census (after Christinna was born) and the children ended up in Macclesfield/workhouse school. Family story has that Margaret and Ellen were at the Macclesfield workhouse/orphanage. Any direction for records or advice where to look next, would be helpful. Thank you

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD: ---------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 70 for Heaton Chapel, St Andrews United Reformed Church, registers at Stockport (1991-2009) 58 for High Lane, St Thomas, registers at Stockport (2003-2011) 256 for Marple, All Saints, registers at Stockport (1984-1994) 265 for Mellor, St Thomas, registers at Stockport (1991-2011) Many thanks to Peter Greenwood and colleagues for these. ---------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

I wondered if anyone had any information about the OXFORD STREET METHODIST CHAPEL IN CREWE CHESHIRE. It has long since gone but if anyone has a photo of it I would be most obliged if I could have a copy. My father, GEORGE CLARKE, was baptised there in 1913. Thanks in advance, J. Colclough.

Hi Joy and All, As a result of Joy's reply (below) I decided to send for the birth certificate of Mary WHITTAKER, the presumed daughter of Joshua, according to the 1851 census, but Josiah, from the logic below. I received it yesterday. Marty WHITTAKER b 15 July 1844 Sutton, father Josiah WHITTAKER, mother Sarah WHITTAKER formerly SUTTON father's occupation weaver, informant John THORP Occupier Lowe Street Sutton, registered 16 July 1844. The informant is the most interesting part. Mary was the granddaughter of Mary THORP, widow in 1851, John had been her husband, so that proves that Josiah must be the person shown as Joshua in the census. So that's one little mystery solved. Many thanks again to Joy Christine -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:18 PM To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? On the Chapelry of Wincle burials there is a burial 23 Apr 1848 of a Sarah Whittaker aged 27, abode Sutton, died April 20th and also (same chapel) June 28th 1848 a burial of Sarah Whittaker aged 1 year, abode Sutton, died June 24th. I did find a Joshua Whitaker in 1851, widower, born Gawsworth fancy trimmer living at Lunt Hill, Sutton, Macclesfield, son in law to head of household Mary Thorp, widow, washerwoman born c1793 at Wincle. Included in the household is Hannah Sutton, grandaughter born c1838 and Mary Whitaker born c1844 at Sutton. The surname Sutton in the household seemed a bt of a coincidence and in 1841 there is a Sarah Sutton born c1821 and Hannah Sutton born c1838 in the household of John and Mary Thorp at Bunker Hill, Prestbury, Macclesfield. I couldn't find them in 1861. In 1871 Josiah is in Manchester with wife Alice and stepdaughters. There is a marriage of John Thorp to Mary Sutton at Prestbury 21 Mar 1825. I would suggest that Sarah is the daughter baptised at Wincle 23 July 1820, mother Sarah Mary Sutton on PR (the Sarah is blotted) and Mary Sutton on Bishop's Transcripts. Presumably, the father was James Goodwin. Mary subsequently married John Thorp. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 02/09/2014 - 14:38 (UTC) To : CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] Sarah SUTTON m 1843 father James GOODWIN ??? Hi All, Sarah SUTTON was the first wife of Josiah WHITTAKER. They married 20 Aug 1843 in St George's Chapel, Sutton. Josiah was born 1821, Gawsworth so I presume Sarah was of a similar age. On the parish record Sarah was a spinster at marriage but her father was James GOODWIN. That is strange. He was a farmer and Josiah is shown as a farmer when he married. Sarah presumably died as Josiah remarried in Jun 1851. However although he states he was living in Macclesfield when he remarried I cannot find him in 1851. There is a highly probable daughter of Josiah and Sarah, Sarah bap. Oct 1847 at Sutton. But I cannot trace her thereafter. Can anyone throw more light on Sarah Sutton and/or find any of these people in 1841/51? Any help gratefully received Christine

Looking for any information on Margaret Read b. Abt 1790 died 1839, Chester.  Living in St Olave's churchyard at time of death. Married James Johnson 27 April 1811 at St Johns Chester. I have marriage record and minimal extracted death record but no birth, baptism or other info re Margaret. Margaret and James were my 2nd great grandparents.   Thank you for any info or suggestions.  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 5 ACTIVE™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

Thanks Adrian, I read that word as unmarried right from the start but it was only after you had interpreted some more of the words that I could make it make any sense. I must say the statement is very convoluted and rambling. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:16 PM To: Christine Benson Cc: CHESHIRE Mailing List Subject: Re: [CHS] Mary WHITTAKER to Joseph BLACKSHAW marriage licence 1873 I think you have it.... I did consider whether that squiggle was "unmarried" but couldn't see why it made any sense, so left it out. However, I think your "perhaps" is exactly the right explanation - if mother had remarried, then Mary's step-father would surely be the legal guardian not her real mother. I don't *know* that's what the law was but it fits with the doctrine of man and wife being one, where that means it's the man in charge. I'd be happy, if it was me, to record the word as "married" saying that the *probable* explanation is what you suggest. Adrian On 22/09/2014 23:46, Christine Benson wrote: > Many thanks Adrian, I have had another reply off list with a very similar > interpretation to yours which is encouraging, but it doesn't go as far as > yours. Now, having more of the context, I think the word 7th from the end > could be "unmarried" (with an imaginary comma after it). Ellen was a widow > at this time, she married again later. Perhaps the implication is that if > she had married again then Mary's stepfather would be her legal guardian, > a concept that is alien to me but might have pertained at the time. > > Thanks again > > Christine ....

I think you have it.... I did consider whether that squiggle was "unmarried" but couldn't see why it made any sense, so left it out. However, I think your "perhaps" is exactly the right explanation - if mother had remarried, then Mary's step-father would surely be the legal guardian not her real mother. I don't *know* that's what the law was but it fits with the doctrine of man and wife being one, where that means it's the man in charge. I'd be happy, if it was me, to record the word as "married" saying that the *probable* explanation is what you suggest. Adrian On 22/09/2014 23:46, Christine Benson wrote: > Many thanks Adrian, I have had another reply off list with a very > similar interpretation to yours which is encouraging, but it doesn't > go as far as yours. Now, having more of the context, I think the word > 7th from the end could be "unmarried" (with an imaginary comma after > it). Ellen was a widow at this time, she married again later. Perhaps > the implication is that if she had married again then Mary's > stepfather would be her legal guardian, a concept that is alien to me > but might have pertained at the time. > > Thanks again > > Christine ....

Many thanks Adrian, I have had another reply off list with a very similar interpretation to yours which is encouraging, but it doesn't go as far as yours. Now, having more of the context, I think the word 7th from the end could be "unmarried" (with an imaginary comma after it). Ellen was a widow at this time, she married again later. Perhaps the implication is that if she had married again then Mary's stepfather would be her legal guardian, a concept that is alien to me but might have pertained at the time. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce via Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:51 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Mary WHITTAKER to Joseph BLACKSHAW marriage licence 1873 My interpretations in [] And he further made oath that the consent of Ellen Whittaker Mother of the said Mary Whittaker [?her?] father being dead and [she living her] Guardian of her [person lawfully ??appointed??] and her mother being [??] hath been [obtained] to this marriage So, Ellen is the mother, as you realise. Her father is dead and her mother is living. Her mother is her lawfully appointed guardian (I doubt this means that something legal has been done - it probably simply means that her mother is now, by default, her guardian, rather than her father.) Still a couple of words I'm unclear of. It displays the usual total lack of punctuation. Adrian On 22/09/2014 15:46, Christine Benson via wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to read a marriage licence on Findmypast. It is for Mary > WHITTAKER to Joseph BLACKSHAW on 26 Dec 1873 in Gawsworth. It says, hand > written, just after half way down :- > And he further made oath that the consent of Ellen Whittaker Mother of the > said Mary Whittaker father being dead and ?? ?? ?? Guardian of her ?? ?? > ?? > and her mother being ?? hath been ?? to this marriage >

Looking at this a bit more closely, it may be that I was suffering from confusion over the school names. I just found my note that says "I did not find Bedford St Girls written on the microfilm box (at Chester RO) that was supposed to contain it." However, looking at the front page of the Admissions Register, I see the girls' book is described as "Bedford St School, Girls' Department". So it probably doesn't have "Bedford St Girls" written on the microfilm box at Chester simply because it's all Bedford St School. The Girls' Department is just part of it, not a separate school. Adrian PS - just seen the Register is printed by EJ Arnold of Leeds - ah, the number of exercise books I've used printed by Arnolds! On 22/09/2014 21:00, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > ... I remember failing to find the Bedford St Girls stuff on the microfilm at Chester RO. Yet there it is....