Owen is a Welsh name and most definitely used as a forename. I have one born in 1770. Cheshire is just over the border from Wales, so very possibly your family have Welsh connections. Cheers Diana On 18 October 2014 05:18, Mrs Watson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello > I have a baptism for Owen KENNERLEY, illegitimate son of Lettice KENNERLEY > in Astbury in 1816. > I was wondering whether OWEN could possibly have been his father's > surname, and whether it's worth me trawling to find OWENs in the area, or > if it was being used as a first name at this time. > Many thanks > Jane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ruth, Thank you very much! Another person suggested Billenge is the transcription, and that there is a Billenge Green. That is in a place that makes sense for the family from what I know. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/rudheath.html has Great Budworth parish local to that area, which is where Thomas Vernon was christened (if I have the right Thomas for that). Further, James' father according to some records is Hugh/Hugo/Huguos, who was also baptized in Davenham. If you have time, would you mind looking at the christening records for Thomas Vernon from 1639? They seem to indicate a Johis Vernon instead of James / Jacobus, which leads me to question the accepted wisdom that Thomas's father was James. That was at Great Budworth, which makes sense as Thomas was from Stanthorne. There is also a Torpoley branch of the family that I am looking into. I can't make sense of that yet though. I will have to share with my Mom your phrase 'Victorian malarkey-to-come'. As a former English teacher, she should get a laugh out of it! Cheers, Tony On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Ruth Genda <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > The entry reads: > > > > Marchii Jacobus Vernon de billenge xviii die > > > > It translates as: Of March James Vernon of Billenge 18 day > > > > So James Vernon was baptised on the 18th March. > > > > The writer has confused the reader by adding the Latin ‘ii’ at the end of > the English word March – it should read Martii. You can see that he does > this regularly not only with the month of March but with other months, too, > if you trawl through more pages. He further confuses by using the French > ‘de’ before Billenge. At the time this was written there were no rules set > down. Grammar, punctuation, spelling and all the rest of the > Victorian-malarkey-to-come was still very much a work in progress. > > > > Where would we be without the fun? > > > > Ruth >

Hi Tony, Looking at the structure of other entries on the same page I think the transcription maybe "de Billenge". Possibly James Vernon having been born in what we now know as the tiny hamlet of Billinge Green. Can't help with what appears to be xviii die, although I do know that "die" translates from the Latin to "day" Elaine. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Vernon via Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 8:46 PM To: cheshire-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Christening record from 1603 Hello, I am researching my Quaker ancestor's father, who many believe was a James Vernon of Davenham, Cheshire. I found a christening record that I believe is his, as Davenham lines up with what we know of his son's origins (Stanthorne). With Carole's help the christening reads: March ii [2nd] Jacobus [James] VERNON de [of] Tithings xviii [18] According to the findmypast transcription, this is a March 18th record. But, it makes more sense to me that it's a March 2nd christening and the Tithings 18 refers to the Tithings system, and not a date. Any suggestions as to whether this is March 2nd or March 18th would be appreciated! Cheers, Tony

Hello I have a baptism for Owen KENNERLEY, illegitimate son of Lettice KENNERLEY in Astbury in 1816. I was wondering whether OWEN could possibly have been his father's surname, and whether it's worth me trawling to find OWENs in the area, or if it was being used as a first name at this time. Many thanks Jane

Hello, I am researching my Quaker ancestor's father, who many believe was a James Vernon of Davenham, Cheshire. I found a christening record that I believe is his, as Davenham lines up with what we know of his son's origins (Stanthorne). With Carole's help the christening reads: March ii [2nd] Jacobus [James] VERNON de [of] Tithings xviii [18] According to the findmypast transcription, this is a March 18th record. But, it makes more sense to me that it's a March 2nd christening and the Tithings 18 refers to the Tithings system, and not a date. Any suggestions as to whether this is March 2nd or March 18th would be appreciated! Cheers, Tony

Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES Married 10 March 1784 to Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 age 77 born year 1762 about Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford made mistake on the date of birth on the last message Les

Does SKS live in or near Grappenhall, and would be willing to take a photograph of a plaque inside St Wilfrid's church for me? Many thanks Ruth in Hampshire

Hi Anne, On Friday, October 10, 2014, 10:36:43 AM, you wrote: > The Local Heritage Centre at Stockport Library are very helpful with this > sort of thing and they like a challenge! You can contact them by e-mail. > Regards, Anne Thanks, Anne - appreciated. Now down on my job list! > -----Original Message----- [snipped] -- Best wishes, Tom

On 11/10/2014 10:19, Ruth Genda wrote: > > Thank you, Adrian. I’m curious to know why all the other men’s > records are there but not my ancestors. > I *think* it's probably just an accidental by-product. There were no short-service engagements for most of the 19th century - you were in for "life" unless made redundant. So it seems to me that lots of guys must have served until they were due for a pension of some sort. But if your chap was one of the new guys who were only in for 12y(?) then he wouldn't be entitled to a pension. And presumably the others were old-sweats who served until they got a pension. That's the only thing I can think of... (because yes, it did occur to me to wonder why the others were there!) Adrian

Thank you, Adrian. I'm curious to know why all the other men's records are there but not my ancestors. I'm trawling through the website you recommend - it will take a little time. So thanks for that, too. Fingers crossed for enlightenment re Christine's find next week! Ruth

Found! I missed it because I was determinedly searching in Cheshire in the main. And 'Fulwood' didn't mean anything to me. Only when you gave me 'Barracks' did a light go on. Even though the name has a different spelling and Thomas is declaring himself as unmarried I am not ruling this man out. There was definitely something going on within the family at the time. It just seems a long time for him to return - but return he did. If he was transferred to the Lancashires then maybe his records are to be found in their archives. Hopefully I'll get a favourable answer on Monday. Many thanks, Christine. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson [mailto:christinebenson313@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 October 2014 23:11 To: Ruth Genda; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Thomas DAVENPORT 1838-1893 Hi Ruth, I found it on the 1871 census. So you should be able to find it on FMP if you put in DEVONPORT, or perhaps as I did to check if there were more matches to the name, D?V?NPORT.

Hi Ruth, I found it on the 1871 census. So you should be able to find it on FMP if you put in DEVONPORT, or perhaps as I did to check if there were more matches to the name, D?V?NPORT. If you can't find it I can send the image. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Genda Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 7:23 PM To: 'Christine Benson' ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CHS] Thomas DAVENPORT 1838-1893 Thanks, Christine. An interesting find. It would infer that he could have 'resigned' from the Cheshires and signed up with the Lancashires. But not necessarily. Fulwood seems to have been a very busy centre for all sorts of activities involving other regiments. The Lancashire Infantry Museum will accept telephone calls so I will do that next week with an initial enquiry. In the meantime if you would kindly send me as much detail of this info - and where you found it - I'd be very grateful. You could be on to something. :-) Ruth

<<snipped>> .... Why has his army record disappeared? Is a duplicate copy held somewhere else? <<snipped>> No help to you but soldiers' personnel records (i.e. the attestation form signed on joining, etc) were only kept before 1883 for those soldiers discharged to pension - and I think that pensions needed a 20y minimum service. So if it's before 1883 and no pension - then no detailed records were kept - only things like the muster rolls. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/british-army-soldiers-discharge-and-pension-records.htm Adrian B

Thanks, Christine. An interesting find. It would infer that he could have 'resigned' from the Cheshires and signed up with the Lancashires. But not necessarily. Fulwood seems to have been a very busy centre for all sorts of activities involving other regiments. The Lancashire Infantry Museum will accept telephone calls so I will do that next week with an initial enquiry. In the meantime if you would kindly send me as much detail of this info - and where you found it - I'd be very grateful. You could be on to something. :-) Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson [mailto:christinebenson313@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 October 2014 15:58 To: Ruth Genda; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Thomas DAVENPORT 1838-1893 Hi Ruth, There is a Thomas DEVONPORT born Congleton c 1839 in Fulwood Barracks in 1871. And no matching man in other census years which suggests it is probably your man. However he is shown as unmarried. Also there is a Joseph DEVONPORT b c 1853 Stockport. A relation or his name is right and confused the enumerator? Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Genda via Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:33 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Thomas DAVENPORT 1838-1893 I am returning to my own family history with an unsolved mystery: the gap in *any* records for my ggrandfather Thomas DAVENPORT between 1859 and July 1871. He is not in the 1871 Census as far as I can tell. He was born in Congleton to Levina (nee CURTIS) and Thomas DAVENPORT and was baptised on 2 Dec 1838 in Astbury. [Thomas Sr was a Millman and later a Colliery Railway Plate Layer in Poynton. He had married Levina in Astbury on 19 Sep 1836. Thomas [Jr] was their second child.] In the 1851 Census Thomas Sr and his family are living in Poynton where Thomas Jr aged 12 is shown as a Coal-miner. On 26 July 1858 Thomas Jr married Mary Ellen HULME in St Peter's Prestbury. He was 19 and Mary Ellen was 21. Their first child, also named Mary Ellen, is registered in Qr 1 of 1859. In c1859/1860 Thomas signed up as a Private to the 1st Battallion 12th Cheshire Regiment and served for the next 6 years in New Zealand engaged in the attempts to settle the Maori Wars. I have his medal. Thomas then disappears from all government records. I visited the National Archives in Kew in 1996 to trawl the men of the Cheshire Regiment's records, and all were there - except for just one. And you will have guessed already - it is that of Thomas DAVENPORT! His name appears in the general lists but his individual record has vanished. Thomas does not reappear in Census records until 1881 although his wife Mary Ellen, and their daughter Mary Ellen, are found in the 7th April 1861 Census living with her widowed mother in Midway, Worth (Poynton) and working in a cotton mill. The 2nd April 1871 Census shows them living or visiting with a CLAYTON family in Poynton - but the enumerator has confused her relationship with the Head. Thomas reappears on the birth certificate of his second child, Lavanah (my grandmother), born on 2 March 1872. Thomas and Mary Ellen then have three more daughters at regular 2-year intervals. Thomas was very young when he married and Mary Ellen was already pregnant with their daughter when they did. There is a family story that one of my ggrandfathers 'went missing' for a number of years, always said with Tasmania in the same breath, but no one in my previous generation could remember (or was willing to say) which grandfather it actually was. I suspect that it may have been this man whose family responsibilities weighed too heavily on his young shoulders and he sought escape somewhere. Or, for some yet unknown reason, he was sent . so I am making him my Current Task! I'm completely ignorant re military research. Apart from the one abortive excursion to Kew I have done nothing else with regard to Thomas. My confusions are these: Why has his army record disappeared? Is a duplicate copy held somewhere else? Were soldiers at the time granted regular leave when based in the UK? How were soldiers recorded in Censuses - I'm thinking both 1861 and 1871 here? If he signed for 12 years what did he do in the army after 1866? If he signed for only 6 years (his medal years) what did he do for the next 6 years? The Cheshire Regimental Museum may be able to help but due to a high volume of requests which must be made by post or email they have a backlog of 13+ weeks before they can answer. If anyone has alternative experience to offer I would welcome both their advice and any lateral thinking. Thanks Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth, There is a Thomas DEVONPORT born Congleton c 1839 in Fulwood Barracks in 1871. And no matching man in other census years which suggests it is probably your man. However he is shown as unmarried. Also there is a Joseph DEVONPORT b c 1853 Stockport. A relation or his name is right and confused the enumerator? Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Genda via Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:33 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Thomas DAVENPORT 1838-1893 I am returning to my own family history with an unsolved mystery: the gap in *any* records for my ggrandfather Thomas DAVENPORT between 1859 and July 1871. He is not in the 1871 Census as far as I can tell. He was born in Congleton to Levina (nee CURTIS) and Thomas DAVENPORT and was baptised on 2 Dec 1838 in Astbury. [Thomas Sr was a Millman and later a Colliery Railway Plate Layer in Poynton. He had married Levina in Astbury on 19 Sep 1836. Thomas [Jr] was their second child.] In the 1851 Census Thomas Sr and his family are living in Poynton where Thomas Jr aged 12 is shown as a Coal-miner. On 26 July 1858 Thomas Jr married Mary Ellen HULME in St Peter's Prestbury. He was 19 and Mary Ellen was 21. Their first child, also named Mary Ellen, is registered in Qr 1 of 1859. In c1859/1860 Thomas signed up as a Private to the 1st Battallion 12th Cheshire Regiment and served for the next 6 years in New Zealand engaged in the attempts to settle the Maori Wars. I have his medal. Thomas then disappears from all government records. I visited the National Archives in Kew in 1996 to trawl the men of the Cheshire Regiment's records, and all were there - except for just one. And you will have guessed already - it is that of Thomas DAVENPORT! His name appears in the general lists but his individual record has vanished. Thomas does not reappear in Census records until 1881 although his wife Mary Ellen, and their daughter Mary Ellen, are found in the 7th April 1861 Census living with her widowed mother in Midway, Worth (Poynton) and working in a cotton mill. The 2nd April 1871 Census shows them living or visiting with a CLAYTON family in Poynton - but the enumerator has confused her relationship with the Head. Thomas reappears on the birth certificate of his second child, Lavanah (my grandmother), born on 2 March 1872. Thomas and Mary Ellen then have three more daughters at regular 2-year intervals. Thomas was very young when he married and Mary Ellen was already pregnant with their daughter when they did. There is a family story that one of my ggrandfathers 'went missing' for a number of years, always said with Tasmania in the same breath, but no one in my previous generation could remember (or was willing to say) which grandfather it actually was. I suspect that it may have been this man whose family responsibilities weighed too heavily on his young shoulders and he sought escape somewhere. Or, for some yet unknown reason, he was sent . so I am making him my Current Task! I'm completely ignorant re military research. Apart from the one abortive excursion to Kew I have done nothing else with regard to Thomas. My confusions are these: Why has his army record disappeared? Is a duplicate copy held somewhere else? Were soldiers at the time granted regular leave when based in the UK? How were soldiers recorded in Censuses - I'm thinking both 1861 and 1871 here? If he signed for 12 years what did he do in the army after 1866? If he signed for only 6 years (his medal years) what did he do for the next 6 years? The Cheshire Regimental Museum may be able to help but due to a high volume of requests which must be made by post or email they have a backlog of 13+ weeks before they can answer. If anyone has alternative experience to offer I would welcome both their advice and any lateral thinking. Thanks Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am returning to my own family history with an unsolved mystery: the gap in *any* records for my ggrandfather Thomas DAVENPORT between 1859 and July 1871. He is not in the 1871 Census as far as I can tell. He was born in Congleton to Levina (nee CURTIS) and Thomas DAVENPORT and was baptised on 2 Dec 1838 in Astbury. [Thomas Sr was a Millman and later a Colliery Railway Plate Layer in Poynton. He had married Levina in Astbury on 19 Sep 1836. Thomas [Jr] was their second child.] In the 1851 Census Thomas Sr and his family are living in Poynton where Thomas Jr aged 12 is shown as a Coal-miner. On 26 July 1858 Thomas Jr married Mary Ellen HULME in St Peter's Prestbury. He was 19 and Mary Ellen was 21. Their first child, also named Mary Ellen, is registered in Qr 1 of 1859. In c1859/1860 Thomas signed up as a Private to the 1st Battallion 12th Cheshire Regiment and served for the next 6 years in New Zealand engaged in the attempts to settle the Maori Wars. I have his medal. Thomas then disappears from all government records. I visited the National Archives in Kew in 1996 to trawl the men of the Cheshire Regiment's records, and all were there - except for just one. And you will have guessed already - it is that of Thomas DAVENPORT! His name appears in the general lists but his individual record has vanished. Thomas does not reappear in Census records until 1881 although his wife Mary Ellen, and their daughter Mary Ellen, are found in the 7th April 1861 Census living with her widowed mother in Midway, Worth (Poynton) and working in a cotton mill. The 2nd April 1871 Census shows them living or visiting with a CLAYTON family in Poynton - but the enumerator has confused her relationship with the Head. Thomas reappears on the birth certificate of his second child, Lavanah (my grandmother), born on 2 March 1872. Thomas and Mary Ellen then have three more daughters at regular 2-year intervals. Thomas was very young when he married and Mary Ellen was already pregnant with their daughter when they did. There is a family story that one of my ggrandfathers 'went missing' for a number of years, always said with Tasmania in the same breath, but no one in my previous generation could remember (or was willing to say) which grandfather it actually was. I suspect that it may have been this man whose family responsibilities weighed too heavily on his young shoulders and he sought escape somewhere. Or, for some yet unknown reason, he was sent . so I am making him my Current Task! I'm completely ignorant re military research. Apart from the one abortive excursion to Kew I have done nothing else with regard to Thomas. My confusions are these: Why has his army record disappeared? Is a duplicate copy held somewhere else? Were soldiers at the time granted regular leave when based in the UK? How were soldiers recorded in Censuses - I'm thinking both 1861 and 1871 here? If he signed for 12 years what did he do in the army after 1866? If he signed for only 6 years (his medal years) what did he do for the next 6 years? The Cheshire Regimental Museum may be able to help but due to a high volume of requests which must be made by post or email they have a backlog of 13+ weeks before they can answer. If anyone has alternative experience to offer I would welcome both their advice and any lateral thinking. Thanks Ruth

A very quick search on FMP cannot confirm the events you've suggested other than the burial of Edward ROWLAND of Alford on 28 Feb 1813 aged 50. His baptism may well be this one recorded in St Olave's Parish Register: Edward s/o Thomas & Anne Rowland bap 21 Feb 1762 Where did you get the information about Hannah GRIFFIES? She was not born in 1784. She was married to Edward ROWLAND on 10 March 1784. This is recorded in the St Oswald's registers, Chester. Where did Hannah GRIFFIES die? Is there an address on her 1839 death certificate? If so you could check this address in the 1841 Census. George PRINCE may be a neighbour. One further thought. His name may be PRICE and not PRINCE. Alford is not a large place and a search of the Census would not take long. But if Hannah died somewhere else it may be a much longer search. Hope this helps to untangle some of the story. Ruth

PLEASE everyone - I am not interested in Hannah Griffies!!! I responded to an enquiry, and now everyone is sending me the results of their very kind, but unwanted, searches. Please send them to the right person who originated the enquiry. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Neil Jackson [mailto:jackson_neil_2@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 October 2014 10:44 To: Ruth Cc: "Donald Crewe"; Francis Howcutt; georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Ruth It looks to me as though you might just have linked up with 'my' Edward ROWLANDS - at least a brother of my 4xGt-grandfather, George ROWLANDS of Tilston, CHS.. Please see the following extract from my working narrative of my [recently sadly neglected] researches into my paternal grandmother (Anne CREWE's) ancestors in Tilston, especially the reference near the very end top the baptism on Edward ROWLAND on 26 March 1762: "2L 3xgt-gr-mo Elizabeth CREW(E), née ROWLAND "Outline life: "2L.1 About 1755: Born Carden, Tilston, eldest child of George ROWLAND and Mary 25 May 1755: baptised Tilston, St Mary . 1775 married Robert CREW at Tilston, St Mary 1787-1794, baptised children at Tilston, St Mary. ~1798, reported mother of George at Carden. Family appears to have left Tilston circa 1798, destination NK. 1827: Possibly buried at Tilston “aged [76]”. "2M 4xgt-gr-pts George ROWLAND and Mary (née FURMSTON) "Marriage "2M.1 The Tilston St Mary register reads: 16 August 1752: married George ROWLAND and Mary [illegible] of [illegible]. But BM(MI), based on the BTs, gives her surname as FURMSTON. That was confirmed from the digital image of the BTs at CCRO. But close examination under magnification and UV lighting of the original register archived at CCRO added little, though she might be “of F… “. The surname is found with variants in north SAL (FURMSON and FIRMSTON) and, much later, in Farndon (as FORMSTON(E)). IGI indeed gives a very plausible Mary FURMSON, baptised 13 Sep 1731 at Ellesmere, SAL, to Thomas FURMSON and Sarah. If confirmed, she would also have siblings Thomas (1720) and Margarett (1728). "2M.2 Baptised (“of Carden”) children at Tilston, St Mary: Elizabeth (1755) George 6 Aug 1758 (buried 14 September 1758) John 28 June 1759 . Edward 26 March 1762 Samuel 16 June 1770 . [Note: another George ROWLAND, of Tilston, was baptising in 1740s!] Are we paerhaps cousin? Neil JACKSON Coulsdon, SURREY ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 10/10/2014 - 09:45 (UTC) To : georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com Cc : cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Lynda - this information should be directed to Leslie Rowlands. I've copied the list on this post so she can pick it up. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: George and Lynda [mailto:georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com] Sent: 09 October 2014 21:06 To: 'Ruth' Subject: RE: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Hi Ruth Edward Rowland born 1762 Cheshire died 1813 Alford Hannah Griffiths " 1762 " " MARRIED 10 MARCH 1784 Cheshire Children Thomas Rowland born 1790 Alford George " " 1794 " Edward " " 1796 " Hannah " " 1799 " Elizabeth " " 1802 " Ann " " 1807 " lynda -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth via Sent: 09 October 2014 12:20 To: 'Leslie Rowlands'; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Rowlands via Sent: 09 October 2014 11:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth It looks to me as though you might just have linked up with 'my' Edward ROWLANDS - at least a brother of my 4xGt-grandfather, George ROWLANDS of Tilston, CHS.. Please see the following extract from my working narrative of my [recently sadly neglected] researches into my paternal grandmother (Anne CREWE's) ancestors in Tilston, especially the reference near the very end top the baptism on Edward ROWLAND on 26 March 1762: "2L 3xgt-gr-mo Elizabeth CREW(E), née ROWLAND "Outline life: "2L.1 About 1755: Born Carden, Tilston, eldest child of George ROWLAND and Mary 25 May 1755: baptised Tilston, St Mary . 1775 married Robert CREW at Tilston, St Mary 1787-1794, baptised children at Tilston, St Mary. ~1798, reported mother of George at Carden. Family appears to have left Tilston circa 1798, destination NK. 1827: Possibly buried at Tilston “aged [76]”. "2M 4xgt-gr-pts George ROWLAND and Mary (née FURMSTON) "Marriage "2M.1 The Tilston St Mary register reads: 16 August 1752: married George ROWLAND and Mary [illegible] of [illegible]. But BM(MI), based on the BTs, gives her surname as FURMSTON. That was confirmed from the digital image of the BTs at CCRO. But close examination under magnification and UV lighting of the original register archived at CCRO added little, though she might be “of F… “. The surname is found with variants in north SAL (FURMSON and FIRMSTON) and, much later, in Farndon (as FORMSTON(E)). IGI indeed gives a very plausible Mary FURMSON, baptised 13 Sep 1731 at Ellesmere, SAL, to Thomas FURMSON and Sarah. If confirmed, she would also have siblings Thomas (1720) and Margarett (1728). "2M.2 Baptised (“of Carden”) children at Tilston, St Mary: Elizabeth (1755) George 6 Aug 1758 (buried 14 September 1758) John 28 June 1759 . Edward 26 March 1762 Samuel 16 June 1770 . [Note: another George ROWLAND, of Tilston, was baptising in 1740s!] Are we paerhaps cousin? Neil JACKSON Coulsdon, SURREY ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 10/10/2014 - 09:45 (UTC) To : georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com Cc : cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Lynda - this information should be directed to Leslie Rowlands. I've copied the list on this post so she can pick it up. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: George and Lynda [mailto:georgeandlynda@ntlworld.com] Sent: 09 October 2014 21:06 To: 'Ruth' Subject: RE: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Hi Ruth Edward Rowland born 1762 Cheshire died 1813 Alford Hannah Griffiths " 1762 " " MARRIED 10 MARCH 1784 Cheshire Children Thomas Rowland born 1790 Alford George " " 1794 " Edward " " 1796 " Hannah " " 1799 " Elizabeth " " 1802 " Ann " " 1807 " lynda -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth via Sent: 09 October 2014 12:20 To: 'Leslie Rowlands'; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Rowlands via Sent: 09 October 2014 11:52 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Hannah Griffies Aldford Cheshire Making a fresh search for Hannah GRIFFIES born 10 March 1784 married Edward Rowland St Olave's Chester Hannah Rowland died 5 Feb 1839 Edward died 28 Feb 1813 age 50 On the death cert person present a death was a George PRINCE Aldford looking for information on this person The family lived in Aldford Thanks Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Local Heritage Centre at Stockport Library are very helpful with this sort of thing and they like a challenge! You can contact them by e-mail. Regards, Anne -----Original Message----- From: Tom Piercy via Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:16 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Teachers Training or Physical Education college in Stockportc1902-1905 According to letters written to her, my great aunt (born in 1884) went to college in Stockport. Unfortunately I don't have the envelopes so I don't know her address at the time. In the 1901 census she is still at school in Newcastle upon Tyne; in the 1911 census she is a Physical Instructress in Newcastle. I don't know if the Stockport college was specifically a PE college or a teachers' training college. If she went there when she was eighteen and it was a three-year course she would have been there between about 1902 and 1905 Would anyone have any idea which college this might have been? Thanks in advance - Tom ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message