I stand to be corrected but in the 1940s I think there would be no formal maintenance orders kept in a central place anywhere. Such arrangements would be made privately with or without legal help. Copies of such agreements/orders would therefore be held by individuals or in some solicitor's office. In the 1940s it was deemed there were more important things for our government to be dealing with. The Child Support Agency (CSA) did not come into being until after the Child Support Act of 1991! I agree with Adrian that you would have to have a very good reason for opening up a Court's records - that is if a case ever got to court and you knew exactly in which court the case was heard. I suspect, Rebecca, that you are probably on a hiding to nothing in this particular request. But you never know, a piece of paper turning up in someone's box of memorabilia may turn up one day . Ruth

I have no idea where those records are but suggest there is no way they'll be accessible to anyone other than the child in question. I don't *know* that but that's my belief. Adrian B On 25/10/2014 20:26, Rebecca Line via wrote: > ... > > Please could anyone advise as to where these are held; happy to go and > search if I know where to go! > ...

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rebecca Line <rebecca.line43@gmail.com> Date: 24 October 2014 23:07 Subject: Harry Hastings Sidebottom of Hale, Cheshire To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Hello, Can anyone tell me anything about Harry Hastings Sidebottom who was a produce broker and lived in a big house called "The Orchard" in Hale in late 1930s and 1940s. Apparently he was quite a prominent person at the time and was Consul of Lithuania in Manchester. He was married and had. a son, John McCallum Sidebottom. He lived in Manchester prior to living at The Orchard in Hale. Any information gratefully received! Thanks, Rebecca

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rebecca Line <rebecca.line43@gmail.com> Date: 19 October 2014 22:16 Subject: Child Maintenance Records - Cheshire - 1940s To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Please could anyone advise as to where these are held; happy to go and search if I know where to go! Thanks, Rebecca

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rebecca Line <rebecca.line43@gmail.com> Date: 19 October 2014 22:16 Subject: Child Maintenance Records - Cheshire - 1940s To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Please could anyone advise as to where these are held; happy to go and search if I know where to go! Thanks, Rebecca

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rebecca Line <rebecca.line43@gmail.com> Date: 24 October 2014 23:07 Subject: Harry Hastings Sidebottom of Hale, Cheshire To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Hello, Can anyone tell me anything about Harry Hastings Sidebottom who was a produce broker and lived in a big house called "The Orchard" in Hale in late 1930s and 1940s. Apparently he was quite a prominent person at the time and was Consul of Lithuania in Manchester. He was married and had. a son, John McCallum Sidebottom. He lived in Manchester prior to living at The Orchard in Hale. Any information gratefully received! Thanks, Rebecca

Hello, Can anyone tell me anything about Harry Hastings Sidebottom who was a produce broker and lived in a big house called "The Orchard" in Hale in late 1930s and 1940s. Apparently he was quite a prominent person at the time and was Consul of Lithuania in Manchester. He was married and had. a son, John McCallum Sidebottom. He lived in Manchester prior to living at The Orchard in Hale. Any information gratefully received! Thanks, Rebecca

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD -------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Births: 1,003 for Altrincham, registers at Trafford (1957-1957) 2,006 for Urmston, registers at Trafford (1952-1953) Marriages: 78 for Stockport, Yeshurun Synagogue (Chestergate), registers at Stockport (1995-2011) 32 for Stockport, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Bramhall Lane), registers at Stockport (1997-2012) 23 for Stockport, St Joseph's RC Church (St Petersgate), registers at Stockport (2002-2009) 25 for Stockport, Wycliffe Chapel (Wellington Road North), registers at Stockport (1968-2005) 63 for Offerton, St Philip's RC Church (Half Moon Lane), registers at Stockport (1976-1998) 117 for Norbury (Hazel Grove), St Thomas, registers at Stockport (2008-2014) 80 for Werneth, St Paul, registers at Stockport (1989-2014) 33 for Marple, Methodist Church (Marple Ridge), registers at Stockport (2002-2008) 47 for Bramhall, Methodist Church (Bramhall Lane South), registers at Stockport (2006-2014) 82 for Marple Bridge, St Mary's RC Church, registers at Stockport (1993-2008) 252 for Bidston, St Oswald, registers at Wirral (1942-1947) 251 for Birkenhead, St Peter, registers at Wirral (1948-1968) 251 for Birkenhead, Holy Trinity, registers at Wirral (1948-1962) 105 for Upton, United Reformed Church (Ford Road), registers at Wirral (1977-1988) 196 for Claughton, All Saints and St Bede, registers at Wirral (1945-1971) 162 for Birkenhead, St John, registers at Wirral (1946-1968) 253 for Heswall, St Peter, registers at Wirral (1943-1950) 101 for West Kirby, St Andrew, registers at Wirral (1948-1959) 252 for West Kirby, St Bridget, registers at Wirral (1944-1959) 106 for West Kirby, United Reformed Church (Meols Drive), registers at Wirral (1945-1954) Deaths: 2,351 for Sale, registers at Trafford (1953-1960) Many thanks to Geoff Oultram, Peter Greenwood, Helen Gill and their respective colleagues for these. -------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Not only was Owen definitely a given name before it became a family name, the name "Bowen" is also derived from it - "ab Owain": 'son of Owen'. Graham On 18/10/2014 15:15, Joy Langdon via wrote: > You are right, Liz, it is an example of a patronymic surname which is where the father's first name is used as his chidren's surname. > http://www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=owen > > There are certainly several baptisms around the same time at Astbury with Owen used as a first name. > > Joy > > > ----Original message---- > >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com > Date : 18/10/2014 - 14:29 (GMTST) > To : familytree29@hotmail.com > Cc : cheshire-l@rootsweb.com > Subject : Re: [CHS] Owen as a first name 1816 > > Centuries ago, one of the Welshmen involved in border disputes was Owain > Glendower, Owen may have been a Christian name before it was a surname. > > Lxx > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

BBC4's World War I at Home was about Dunham Massey tonight, excellent programme and worth watching on iPlayer. It is repeated tonight and again in a couple of days time HISTORY DOCUMENTARY: World War I at Home On: BBC 4 (Freeview) Date: Wednesday 22nd October 2014 (starting in 4 hours and 55 minutes) Time: 01:55 to 02:25 (30 minutes long) The Safe House. Louise Minchin explores how Dunham Massey stately home in Cheshire was turned into a hospital for injured British soldiers during WWI. (Stereo, Repeat, Widescreen, Subtitles) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346 Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

There is this baptism on Familysearch: Chester St Werburghs Catholic Church 12 Oct 1817 Edwardus Bateman SWEENEY, parents Joane and Martha Bateman SWEENEY. And a John SWEENEY married Martha BATEMAN at Manchester 09 Jan 1809. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ48-4ZN Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 19/10/2014 - 16:45 (GMTST) To : cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] Edward Sweeney Hello, Please can anyone help me? I am looking for Edward Sweeney, born Chester 1816/1817. He married in Agnes Lofthouse in Manchester 1837. Be grateful of any help. Thanks in advance, Regards, Beatrice. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please could anyone advise as to where these are held; happy to go and search if I know where to go! Thanks, Rebecca

Hello, Please can anyone help me? I am looking for Edward Sweeney, born Chester 1816/1817. He married in Agnes Lofthouse in Manchester 1837. Be grateful of any help. Thanks in advance, Regards, Beatrice.

There is also a copy of Ellesmere Port CE Primary (Christchurch School) 1873-1906 with the record office in Chester Gill Sent from my iPad

Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Gill Gladwin <maygladwin@gmail.com> > Date: 18 October 2014 17:42:48 BST > To: CHESHIRE mailing list <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re:[CHS] Cheshire schools admission registers > > The register for Christ Church CE primary Ellesmere Port 1873-1906 is on disc. I have given copies to the Boat Museum and Ellesmere Port Library. > I am willing to search my copy for names. > Gill > > Sent from my iPad

Many thanks to all of you, really interesting to find out the history of this name. Jane > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:57:53 -0700 > To: cheshire-l@rootsweb.com > CC: cheshire-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Owen as a first name 1816 > From: cheshire@rootsweb.com > > > > In Ireland, Owen is also used for people named Eugene > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > >________________________________ > > From: Liz Parkinson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> > >To: Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> > >Cc: "cheshire-l@rootsweb.com" <cheshire-l@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM > > Centuries ago, one of the Welshmen involved in border disputes was Owain > >Glendower, Owen may have been a Christian name before it was a surname. <snip> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are right, Liz, it is an example of a patronymic surname which is where the father's first name is used as his chidren's surname. http://www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=owen There are certainly several baptisms around the same time at Astbury with Owen used as a first name. Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 18/10/2014 - 14:29 (GMTST) To : familytree29@hotmail.com Cc : cheshire-l@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [CHS] Owen as a first name 1816 Centuries ago, one of the Welshmen involved in border disputes was Owain Glendower, Owen may have been a Christian name before it was a surname. Lxx

Centuries ago, one of the Welshmen involved in border disputes was Owain Glendower, Owen may have been a Christian name before it was a surname. Lxx On 17 October 2014 20:18, Mrs Watson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello > I have a baptism for Owen KENNERLEY, illegitimate son of Lettice KENNERLEY > in Astbury in 1816. > I was wondering whether OWEN could possibly have been his father's > surname, and whether it's worth me trawling to find OWENs in the area, or > if it was being used as a first name at this time. > Many thanks > Jane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tony, The entry reads: Marchii Jacobus Vernon de billenge xviii die It translates as: Of March James Vernon of Billenge 18 day So James Vernon was baptised on the 18th March. The writer has confused the reader by adding the Latin 'ii' at the end of the English word March - it should read Martii. You can see that he does this regularly not only with the month of March but with other months, too, if you trawl through more pages. He further confuses by using the French 'de' before Billenge. At the time this was written there were no rules set down. Grammar, punctuation, spelling and all the rest of the Victorian-malarkey-to-come was still very much a work in progress. Where would we be without the fun? Ruth

In Ireland, Owen is also used for people named Eugene Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Liz Parkinson via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> >To: Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> >Cc: "cheshire-l@rootsweb.com" <cheshire-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM > Centuries ago, one of the Welshmen involved in border disputes was Owain >Glendower, Owen may have been a Christian name before it was a surname. <snip> > > >