[This is now half of Part 2. I did say it was a long posting! Part 3 will follow.] First, a diversion. Hannah BUXTON's history goes something like this: . Betty BUXTON w/o Francis of Bollington bur 2 Jun 1811 . Francis BUXTON, husbandman, wid'r = Hannah POWNALL wid 30 Mar 1813. . Francis BUXTON, butcher of Bollington, bur 3 Feb 1828 aged 64. . Hannah BUXTON wid = Thomas BROUGH miller of Bollington 23 Jun 1828 It is possible that Hannah may have brought children with her when she married Thomas BROUGH, her third husband. There may have been changes in the last names of the older children as she moved through her marriages. I have not checked. I did check Thomas & Hannah's children mentioned in the 1841 and could not find Robert again. Benjamin was buried on 13 Feb 1843 in Christ Church, Macclesfield but Elias, an ornamental wood carver, can be followed through all the Censuses through 1891 to his death in 1st qr 1899 in West Derby. So back to William and the question of whether he might be a child of an earlier marriage. In 1841 William is living with another Thomas BROUGH and his wife (also Hannah) both of whom were 30 years old. Thomas is a Cabinet Maker and William is also a Cabinet Maker. Are William & Thomas brothers? A Thomas BROUGH married Hannah POINTON in Astbury on 6 May 1833. The Census shows 4 children and a third Cabinet Maker, Joel POINTER, aged 30 living with them. POINTON/ POINTER - close name? I think so. This younger Thomas BROUGH can be followed through the Censuses in Liverpool. He had a thriving business in 1861 but by 1871 he was a chair maker working on his own. In 1871 William, too, is a chair maker. Ruth

This posting is now being sent in 2 parts as it was very long. Apologies. Hi Allan The people in your search were living in the time and the area in which non-conformist churches flourished. I suspect that this is why there is a dearth of baptismal entries for them as they may have been members of those rather than the established church. Only marriages and burials can be found as yet on FMP and Family Search. You were searching for Thomas BROUGH, a Miller. The following can be verified on FMP which shows the original documents: A Thomas BROUGH was baptised 16 Jul 1780 the son of Samuel & Mary BROUGH of Smallwood in the parish church of Astbury, near Congleton. A Thomas BROUGH, miller in Bollington, married Hannah BUXTON, widow, on 23 Jun 1828 in Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Prestbury. The 1841 Census has a Thomas & Hannah BROUGH (both 64) + children Robert, Benjamin and Elias living at Five Ashes in Bollington where Thomas is a Miller. Hannah BROUGH of Bollington was bur 31 Aug 1845 aged 66. A Thomas BROUGH of Bollington was buried aged 67 in Christ Church, Macclesfield on 9 Feb 1847. These 4 Thomas BROUGHs could all be the same man. There are no other Thomas BROUGHs who are Millers found anywhere, and those figures stack up. If Thomas BROUGH was 48 when he married Hannah BUXTON it is likely that this is (at least) a second marriage for him and therefore it's possible that there are older children born to him. I was unable to find an earlier marriage for Thomas in Cheshire. But, for what it's worth, I'll mention one 'wild possibility' at the end of this mailing. [See Part 2}

Hi folks, I am a fairly new List-er and love the way it runs - all so friendly and helpful - and I hope someone might be able to help me with the following: I am researching my BROOKE roots in Cheshire in the early 1700s. (Difficult as the name seems indiscriminately spelled Brook/Brooke/Brooks/Brookes.) Does anyone have any of the following people in their tree? Most of the information comes from Ancestry and the IGI with no other corroboration as yet. John BROOKS, married Esther/Hester Horton 17 Nov 1734 at Gt Budworth. (She was baptised there 17 July 1712.) They had son John baptised at Weaverham 17 Sep 1735; married Martha Woodward 20 Sep 1754 at Frodsham. daughter Martha baptised at Weaverham 6 Nov 1737. I'm looking for any information on these people (or any relatives obviously), particularly the birth/baptism and anything more on John senior. Happy hunting in your own research, Judith Mooney (nee Brooke)

Correction to previous posting: Last sentences in last para: This should read - <<No baptisms of *children born to* this couple are recorded, I suspect for the same reasons that I gave above. This may or may be not worth exploring further.>> Ruth

Thanks very much; will try your ideas; much appreciated. Rebecca On 5 November 2014 16:32, Lesley Baxendale via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Rebecca, > > You could try contacting the main library closest to the place you are > looking for. They often have old electoral rolls. > > Regards > > Lesley Baxendale > Colwyn Bay > > > On 05/11/2014 11:24, Rebecca Line via wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know if the above are available anywhere online before I set > > off for the Records Office in Chester - long journey for me! > > > > Thanks, > > Rebecca > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rebecca, You could try contacting the main library closest to the place you are looking for. They often have old electoral rolls. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 05/11/2014 11:24, Rebecca Line via wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know if the above are available anywhere online before I set > off for the Records Office in Chester - long journey for me! > > Thanks, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

I **think** the British Library has microfilms of the parliamentary registers - depends whether the BL is any closer than Chester to you. Adrian B On 05/11/2014 11:24, Rebecca Line via wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know if the above are available anywhere online before I set > off for the Records Office in Chester - long journey for me! > > Thanks, > Rebecca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

... and I've just had an email from Findmypast stating that it's free this weekend, midday Friday to Monday. HTH. Arthur -- On 05/11/2014 11:35, Marjorie Ward via wrote: > Find My Past website says they have them for Cheshire from 1842 to 1900. > > best wishes > > Marjorie Ward > Derbyshire, UK > Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net > Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net > Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; > Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk > John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thought I would share below. http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2014/enjoy-a-free-findmypast-world-subscription-this-weekend/ Jean Flanagan, Liverpool.

Thanks Marjorie; it is 1930s/1940s I am trying to find somewhere though. I did see these but are not recent enough to help me. Thanks anyway though; appreciate the reply. Rebecca On 5 November 2014 11:35, Marjorie Ward <marjorie.ward2@btinternet.com> wrote: > Find My Past website says they have them for Cheshire from 1842 to 1900. > > best wishes > > Marjorie Ward > Derbyshire, UK > Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net > Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net > Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; > Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy. > rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com >

Find My Past website says they have them for Cheshire from 1842 to 1900. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Hello, Does anyone know if the above are available anywhere online before I set off for the Records Office in Chester - long journey for me! Thanks, Rebecca

Hello Listers, William Brough, born abt 1822 died 1881 is my 2nd great grandfather. For most of his life he lived in Liverpool as a Cabinet Maker. According to the 1851 and 1871 census he was born in Sutton Cheshire. The 1841 census indicates that he was "not born in Lancashire". I have not been able to find any reference to him in the 1861 census. He was married twice, both marriage certificates state that his father was Thomas Brough and that he was a miller. I have not been able to find any records, e.g. baptismal record, which will link William to his father Thomas. There is a Brough family webpage which details many broughs in and around the Sutton area. One of which is Thomas Brough, born abt 1777 and working as a miller. He is stated as having 4 sons, none however as being a William. Any help/suggestions in tracing 'the' Thomas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Allan Brough

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Would any member of the Cheshire list know if there was a home for unmarried mothers in the Macclesfield area in the 1950's please? An unmarried relative died at the age of 18years in childbirth, I know the baby was adopted but just wondered whether she was in a hospital or a home for unmarried mothers. I could, of course, order the death certificate but the costs do mount up. There was an inquest so I will check out newspapers for the result of the inquest. Any help with this will be very much appreciated. Many thanks, in anticipation Norma Turner Dukinfield.

Thanks Adrian! Ooh, maybe I shall find something after all. I shall keep digging anyway and let you know if I find anything. The person I am interested in was born 1941. A huge thank you to you and Ruth. :) Rebecca On 30 October 2014 10:27, Adrian Bruce via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > How interesting - I realise now that I was also far too pessimistic > about the possibilities and completely missed the possibilities of > bastardy orders. D'uh. Sorry about that. > > I think that I mislead myself by thinking of Maintenance Orders only in > the context of divorced or separated couples. But orders have been made > and documented for illegitimate children for centuries. > > I've seen such orders in the files of Lancashire Record Office. But I > have a vague idea that I have read that survival rates of such orders in > Cheshire is not good. Anyone care to comment on that? (especially about > the 1850s and 1860s?) > > Adrian > > On 29/10/2014 18:38, Ruth Genda via wrote: > > ... documented court case resulting from a Bastardy Application brought > by his mother. The programme mentioned the law behind it - the Bastardy > Bill of 1920. ... I thought it might be worth mentioning as I got it very > wrong in my earlier reply. > > ... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How interesting - I realise now that I was also far too pessimistic about the possibilities and completely missed the possibilities of bastardy orders. D'uh. Sorry about that. I think that I mislead myself by thinking of Maintenance Orders only in the context of divorced or separated couples. But orders have been made and documented for illegitimate children for centuries. I've seen such orders in the files of Lancashire Record Office. But I have a vague idea that I have read that survival rates of such orders in Cheshire is not good. Anyone care to comment on that? (especially about the 1850s and 1860s?) Adrian On 29/10/2014 18:38, Ruth Genda via wrote: > ... documented court case resulting from a Bastardy Application brought by his mother. The programme mentioned the law behind it - the Bastardy Bill of 1920. ... I thought it might be worth mentioning as I got it very wrong in my earlier reply. > ...

Hi Rebecca Further to your enquiry and my response on 26 Oct this may be of interest to you. On BBC2 today a repeat showing of the actor Patrick Stewart's 'Who do you think you are?' explained his own quest for a maintenance record for his older brother born 'out of wedlock' in 1925. Patrick went to the Registry of Deeds in the area that his brother was born (in this case, Wakefield in Yorkshire) and was able to review the carefully documented court case resulting from a Bastardy Application brought by his mother. The programme mentioned the law behind it - the Bastardy Bill of 1920. You can Google this law and discover more. The BBC programme should be available on I-player. Of course this case may not be applicable in your own search but I thought it might be worth mentioning as I got it very wrong in my earlier reply. Incidentally, it was a very interesting programme. Patrick Stewart's parents went on to marry (unhappily) - it was a complicated story and, although it didn't have a fairy-tale ending, as a result of the search and research much healing was able to take place simply through understanding events. Hope this helps. Ruth

Many thanks for all that information Ruth - and to Adrian too for his reply. I do appreciate the help and completely agree that it is a very long shot in respect of finding this! :) Thanks again. Rebecca On 26 October 2014 11:16, Ruth Genda <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> wrote: > I stand to be corrected but in the 1940s I think there would be no formal > maintenance orders kept in a central place anywhere. Such arrangements > would be made privately with or without legal help. Copies of such > agreements/orders would therefore be held by individuals or in some > solicitor’s office. In the 1940s it was deemed there were more important > things for our government to be dealing with. The Child Support Agency > (CSA) did not come into being until after the Child Support Act of 1991! > > I agree with Adrian that you would have to have a very good reason for > opening up a Court’s records – that is if a case ever got to court and you > knew exactly in which court the case was heard. > > I suspect, Rebecca, that you are probably on a hiding to nothing in this > particular request. But you never know, a piece of paper turning up in > someone’s box of memorabilia may turn up one day … > > Ruth > > >