Hello List, I have a marriage of John Beswick to Hannah Gibson on 29th Dec 1812 in St Mary's Astbury.Could anyone confirm if Hannah was a minor or not as I have two possible births,one in Astbury 1783 and one in Church Lawton 1793. regards Mike Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The missing right-hand pages were photographed in the sense that they are on the microfilm. The missing pages were digitally imaged by FamilySearch - I know that because on a couple of occasions I have persuaded FMP to concoct a combined image of the left and right-hand pages and replace the left-hand image with the mash-up. It is *probable* that a combination of FS's indexing and FMP's software mean the missing images are not accessible. FMP have an item on their feed-back forum (raised by myself) for the missing images. http://feedback.findmypast.co.uk/forums/222583-ideas-and-improvements/suggestions/5718885-double-page-documents-should-show-correctly This item actually shows as started - Whether the solution is wholly software driven or needs some re-indexing I have no idea but I can imagine it is a tricky one to sort out, especially when you consider the need to get it right within the context of pay-per-view. Adrian On 02/12/2014 09:15, Ruth Genda wrote: > > ... Hopefully CRO might be able to fix the problem with FMP through an > intervention from their side – they hold more sway than us mere > mortals. I can’t believe it wasn’t photographed. But who knows?... >

A suggestion - an email to Chester RO asking for a look-up might produce an answer. The register appears to be of the 'Dade' type and if you explain the problem the archivist may provide the service free in this instance. Hopefully CRO might be able to fix the problem with FMP through an intervention from their side - they hold more sway than us mere mortals. I can't believe it wasn't photographed. But who knows? Good luck. Ruth

Adrian and Tim, The Thomas COLECLOUGH and Jane PEMBERTON may be mine (except that I have aka PENLINGTON). Their son Thomas (b 1783) seems to have had a son David b 1828 and in 1837 Thomas married Hannah WILLIAMSON nee ANDREW (or CHEETHAM) at Manchester Cathedral. Hannah WILLIAMSON was my 3xg grandmother. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8666 - Release Date: 12/02/14

Regrettably I don't have the answer to this one. However - for interest's sake - have you worked out the true parentage of John Pemberton? I'm still not sure.... He married Sarah Pickstock (hence my interest) who died in childbirth in March 1810. In the baptisms of children born to John and Sarah Pemberton, John's parents are described as - "Thomas & Jane Pemberton of Warmingham" (John P, bap 1799); - "Jane Pemberton of Warmingham" (Samuel P, bap 1802); - "Jane Pemberton of Minshull" (Mary P, bap 1805); - "Thomas & Jane ?Cokely? of Lordship" (Thomas P, bap 1808); My suspicion is that the last gives us a clue in that the Warmingham BTs for 22 Feb 1782 records a marriage of a Jane Pemberton to Thomas "Coleclough". So this might explain where the Thomas bit comes from. As John Pemberton isn't a relative of mine, except by marriage, and there isn't an obvious baptism for him in FamilySearch, I've never gone deeper into this one. Adrian On 01/12/2014 16:30, Tim Moore via wrote: > Hi Listers > I am researching Joseph Pemberton, born 30/11/1816 and baptised > 12/01/1817 at Witton Church, Northwich, son of John and Elizabeth > Pemberton of Witton. Unfortunately Find My Past has only copied one > half of the parish register (yet again although they have done it > twice!), which gives details of John, and John's parents, Thomas > (crossed out) and Jane Pemberton from Warmingham. > Does anyone have access to the info on the other half of the register > for Elizabeth please? > Regards > Tim Moore > >

Hi Listers I am researching Joseph Pemberton, born 30/11/1816 and baptised 12/01/1817 at Witton Church, Northwich, son of John and Elizabeth Pemberton of Witton. Unfortunately Find My Past has only copied one half of the parish register (yet again although they have done it twice!), which gives details of John, and John's parents, Thomas (crossed out) and Jane Pemberton from Warmingham. Does anyone have access to the info on the other half of the register for Elizabeth please? Regards Tim Moore

Hi Jane, Thank you! That adds another piece to the jigsaw. I don't know why I didn't turn that up - I have a month's sub with FMP but I do find their search engine quite frustrating at times - I suppose I had narrowed the search too much. It certainly confirms the BROSTER connection - now to find the guilty party! Thanks again, Martin On 27/11/2014 21:51, Jane Greenaway wrote: > Martin > > According to Find My Past, Clemetina Broster Smith was baptised in > Prestbury on May 12 1861 > and was the daughter of Ann Smith, singlewoman of Hurdsfield. > > That doesn't really help does it ?! > > Jane > Chelteham > > On 27 November 2014 at 20:01, BwUK via <cheshire@rootsweb.com > <mailto:cheshire@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > In 1861 Clementina B SMITH aged 4 is living in Kerridge with her widowed > Grandmother, Mary BROSTER (nee BRACEGIRDLE bn 1795 in Adlington) - it's > tempting to assume that the middle initial B stands for Broster. > > Mary had married Joseph BROSTER (1802-1859) in 1823 at Manchester > Collegiate church, but prior to that she had had a daughter Nanny > BRACEGIRDLE in 1817. Nanny married Samuel GREEN at Prestbury in 1840 and > the two families were living with, or next to each other, in three > subsequent censuses. (Joseph was also a witness at Nanny's wedding so it > would appear that she may have been brought up by he and Mary). > > When Clementina married Samuel JOHNSON at Prestbury in 1874 she did not > disclose a father but Alfred & Eleanor Ann GREEN (son & daughter of > Samuel & Nanny) were witnesses. > > Clearly this seems a close knit family, but where does Clementina SMITH > fit in? The simplest explanation is that one of Joseph & Mary's > surviving sons (Joseph & Peter William) may have fathered her and maybe > the mother died soon after, but I cannot find any Christening for her. > It's not worth buying her birth certificate (which at least would name > her mother) because this is just an annoying loose end (I'm actually > researching the family origin of the name Clementina which came to be so > often repeated in the BROSTERs and TURNERs and their descendants down to > my mother's generation). > > I present this as the sort of puzzle so loved of us all - any > suggestions or solutions gladly welcomed :-) > > - Martin > Still a Cheshire lad. > > -- > "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Psa.37) > Web: http://www.biblewitness.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > -- "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Psa.37) Web: http://www.biblewitness.org

Dear Listers, In 1861 Clementina B SMITH aged 4 is living in Kerridge with her widowed Grandmother, Mary BROSTER (nee BRACEGIRDLE bn 1795 in Adlington) - it's tempting to assume that the middle initial B stands for Broster. Mary had married Joseph BROSTER (1802-1859) in 1823 at Manchester Collegiate church, but prior to that she had had a daughter Nanny BRACEGIRDLE in 1817. Nanny married Samuel GREEN at Prestbury in 1840 and the two families were living with, or next to each other, in three subsequent censuses. (Joseph was also a witness at Nanny's wedding so it would appear that she may have been brought up by he and Mary). When Clementina married Samuel JOHNSON at Prestbury in 1874 she did not disclose a father but Alfred & Eleanor Ann GREEN (son & daughter of Samuel & Nanny) were witnesses. Clearly this seems a close knit family, but where does Clementina SMITH fit in? The simplest explanation is that one of Joseph & Mary's surviving sons (Joseph & Peter William) may have fathered her and maybe the mother died soon after, but I cannot find any Christening for her. It's not worth buying her birth certificate (which at least would name her mother) because this is just an annoying loose end (I'm actually researching the family origin of the name Clementina which came to be so often repeated in the BROSTERs and TURNERs and their descendants down to my mother's generation). I present this as the sort of puzzle so loved of us all - any suggestions or solutions gladly welcomed :-) - Martin Still a Cheshire lad. -- "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Psa.37) Web: http://www.biblewitness.org

Do the marriage witnesses provide any clues? Also, have you checked out other Beswicks living in Wolstanton? A quick look at the 1851 census did find a John Beswick born c1791 Congleton and wife Hannah born c1791 Astbury which looked promising. Joy On Thursday, 27 Nov, 2014 at 15:31, mike smith<mike.smith123@talktalk.net> wrote: Hello Joy, Yes I think this is the one but can't find Georges birth in Wolstanton c1819. Ann remarried in 1861 Sept Qtr after the census to a Baxter and just to confuse the issue, another George who to confuse the matter further died before the 1871 census in 1870.In passing ,in the 1861 census was there a child Ann aged 4/5 living with her mother. regards Mike Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [CHS] Beswick/Winkle > Hi Mike, > > You mention a burial in Wolstanton and there is a George Beswick with > wife Ann living in Wolstanton on the 1841 and 1851 census. Children > James, Hannah and David. The 1841 census has them both born in county > and the 1851 has them both born Wolstanton (George c1819 and Ann > c1821). In 1861 Ann is a widow, born Kidsgrove Staffs so it does look > as if the burial in 1857 is this George. > > Regards, > > Joy > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello Joy, Yes I think this is the one but can't find Georges birth in Wolstanton c1819. Ann remarried in 1861 Sept Qtr after the census to a Baxter and just to confuse the issue, another George who to confuse the matter further died before the 1871 census in 1870.In passing ,in the 1861 census was there a child Ann aged 4/5 living with her mother. regards Mike Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [CHS] Beswick/Winkle > Hi Mike, > > You mention a burial in Wolstanton and there is a George Beswick with wife > Ann living in Wolstanton on the 1841 and 1851 census. Children James, > Hannah and David. The 1841 census has them both born in county and the > 1851 has them both born Wolstanton (George c1819 and Ann c1821). In 1861 > Ann is a widow, born Kidsgrove Staffs so it does look as if the burial in > 1857 is this George. > > Regards, > > Joy > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Mike, You mention a burial in Wolstanton and there is a George Beswick with wife Ann living in Wolstanton on the 1841 and 1851 census. Children James, Hannah and David. The 1841 census has them both born in county and the 1851 has them both born Wolstanton (George c1819 and Ann c1821). In 1861 Ann is a widow, born Kidsgrove Staffs so it does look as if the burial in 1857 is this George. Regards, Joy On Thursday, 27 Nov, 2014 at 13:38, mike smith via<cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello List, With regard to the marriage of the above in St Mary's Astbury 1838,I have traced the birth of Ann Winkle to Church Lawton in 1821 but for the life of me can't find George Beswicks birth anywhere. His father was John but he has evaded me. Any ideas?His death was registered in March Qtr 1857in Wolstanton. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, With regard to the marriage of the above in St Mary's Astbury 1838,I have traced the birth of Ann Winkle to Church Lawton in 1821 but for the life of me can't find George Beswicks birth anywhere. His father was John but he has evaded me. Any ideas?His death was registered in March Qtr 1857in Wolstanton. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD ------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Births: 507 for Birkenhead North, registers at Wirral (1916-1938) 1,008 for East Wirral, registers at Wirral (1937-1939) 1,562 for Wallasey, registers at Wirral (1914-1944) 1,021 for West Wirral, registers at Wirral (1941-1942) Many thanks to Helen and Roger Gill and their colleagues for these. ------------- Forwarded by : Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

Hello All, Thanks for your replies,will keep digging. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Half the problem is because the registers are still at the church. However, there are microfilm copies available at Cheshire RO, Manchester Central Library and Congleton Library. I'm on the MLFHS e-mail list, so I'll ask for a look-up at MCL for you. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 26/11/2014 13:41, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > Looks like the Astbury BTs only go up to 1805 on FindMyPast and the > Astbury PRs are not on FMP. It was the BTs that were used to compile the > BM Index. > > Astbury! It might as well be caught in a time-vortex that even Dr Who > can't sort out - whenever there's a register problem, it's always Astbury! > > The marriage is on CheshireBMD there, so it really does exist..... > > Adrian > > On 26/11/2014 12:57, Ruth via wrote: >> This marriage does not appear in the Bertram Merrell index. >> Ruth >> >> ... >> Sent: 26 November 2014 12:32 >> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CHS] Marriage of Beswick/Winkle >> >> Hello List, >> I have a marriage of George Beswick to Ann Winkle in St Mary's Astbury in >> 1839.I have been unable to find a more definite date > ... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The marriage is indexed on FreeBMD Sep quarter 1839. If you get the marriage certificate it will give the date and the bride and groom's residences. Nothing on FMP. Joy On Wednesday, 26 Nov, 2014 at 12:31, mike smith via<cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello List, I have a marriage of George Beswick to Ann Winkle in St Mary's Astbury in 1839.I have been unable to find a more definite date and hope sks could help.The residence of the couple prior to the marriage would also help.Thanks in advance. regards Mike Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like the Astbury BTs only go up to 1805 on FindMyPast and the Astbury PRs are not on FMP. It was the BTs that were used to compile the BM Index. Astbury! It might as well be caught in a time-vortex that even Dr Who can't sort out - whenever there's a register problem, it's always Astbury! The marriage is on CheshireBMD there, so it really does exist..... Adrian On 26/11/2014 12:57, Ruth via wrote: > This marriage does not appear in the Bertram Merrell index. > Ruth > > ... > Sent: 26 November 2014 12:32 > To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Marriage of Beswick/Winkle > > Hello List, > I have a marriage of George Beswick to Ann Winkle in St Mary's Astbury in > 1839.I have been unable to find a more definite date ...

This marriage does not appear in the Bertram Merrell index. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike smith via Sent: 26 November 2014 12:32 To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Marriage of Beswick/Winkle Hello List, I have a marriage of George Beswick to Ann Winkle in St Mary's Astbury in 1839.I have been unable to find a more definite date and hope sks could help.The residence of the couple prior to the marriage would also help.Thanks in advance. regards Mike Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I have a marriage of George Beswick to Ann Winkle in St Mary's Astbury in 1839.I have been unable to find a more definite date and hope sks could help.The residence of the couple prior to the marriage would also help.Thanks in advance. regards Mike Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Tony - I don't think that anyone is saying that Quakers do not register births. They do, but what they do NOT do is then hold a baptism or christening ceremony, which is a different thing entirely. I do not claim to have any faith myself, but as I understand it, baptism is to receive the recipient, whether child or adult, into the church. Avowed Christians may correct me on this. Graham On 25/11/2014 20:39, Tony Vernon via wrote: > Hello, > > As a follow-on to the Quaker choice to not baptise or christen, does anyone > know when they went away from that practice? In Hinshaw's index in the > U.S., there are birth records recorded, but I have been unable to find a > birth record for an ancestor presumed born in 1799 so am wondering if that > lack of documentation is due to this practice, or something else like > leaving the faith. Thanks! > > Tony > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Ruth Genda <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> But Quakers don’t baptise or christen children. I’m afraid you will >> search in vain. >> >> From Wikipedia: … Friends do not practice water baptism >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism>, Christening >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_baptism>, or other initiation >> ceremonies to admit a new member or a newborn baby. Children are often >> welcomed into the meeting at their first attendance. Formerly, children >> born to Quaker parents automatically became members (sometimes called *Birthright >> membership*), but this is no longer the case in many areas. Some parents >> apply for membership on behalf of their children, while others allow the >> child to decide whether to become a member when they are ready, and older >> in age. Some meetings adopt a policy that children, some time after >> becoming young adults, must apply independently for membership. >> >> You will find a gentle explanation here: >> >> http://www.hitchin.plus.com/Quakers/Newkids.htm >> >> Ruth >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message