Try looking at the war memorials on Carlscam.com . There isn't one for Rudheath but he may appear on one for the surrounding parishes. Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad > On 30 Dec 2014, at 22:26, Mike Morris via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Gill, > Just a thought but wouldn't it be easier if they looked for a wedding certificate for their parents or better still get the birth certificate of the person who is related to this grandfather. This record would show the grandparents names address and occupation. From this we can start to look at the forces death records or earlier census starting at 1901. > Kind regards > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > ________________________________ > From: GILLIAN52 via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> > To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:08 PM > > This is probably a lost cause but a cousin who lives in South Africa was > trying to find information on her grandfather who was killed in WW1 his son > was also killed in WW1 she has no other information other than the name was > Robinson, they came from Rudheath in Northwich she only knew her > grandmother as Granny Robinson and that she had a daughter Elsie. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gill, Just a thought but wouldn't it be easier if they looked for a wedding certificate for their parents or better still get the birth certificate of the person who is related to this grandfather. This record would show the grandparents names address and occupation. From this we can start to look at the forces death records or earlier census starting at 1901. Kind regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: GILLIAN52 via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:08 PM This is probably a lost cause but a cousin who lives in South Africa was trying to find information on her grandfather who was killed in WW1 his son was also killed in WW1 she has no other information other than the name was Robinson, they came from Rudheath in Northwich she only knew her grandmother as Granny Robinson and that she had a daughter Elsie.

I should have looked closer. At this address were Elsie's parents, Herbert age 27 and Elizabeth age 25, Elizabeth was born in Rudhearth. They were living with Elizabeths parents. Elsie was listed as a grandchild and Elizabeth as a daughter. However, hate to put a damper on this. The census was 1911. I think if they had a son he would have been to young to enlist in the 1st world war. Pity your cousin cannot come up with some other names. A major clue I found for my family was a family name on a Knutsford cenotaph. It enabled me to search the British Commonwealth Forces grave site. This gave me his parents and their address.  Mike Morris Toronto, Canada   From: Gill Walsh <GILLIAN52@aol.com> To: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:54 PM   That is brilliant thank you so much Mike really appreciate it. On 30 Dec 2014, at 19:49, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: I did locate an Elsie Robinson age 2 born in Rudheath in the 1911 census. She was with her grandparents John and Mary Tideswell  living at  36 Middlewich Rd, Rudheath, Northwich, Cheshire. Will try and locate the rest of the Robinson family.  From: GILLIAN52 via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:08 PM   This is probably a lost cause but a cousin who  lives in South Africa was trying to find information on her grandfather who was  killed in WW1 his son was also killed in WW1 she has no other information other  than the name was Robinson, they came from Rudheath in Northwich she only knew  her grandmother as Granny Robinson and that she had a daughter  Elsie.

They appear to be transcribed on Ancestry as Verton. Living in Stockton Heath. Piece number 21606. Searched for Dorothy with parents Herbert and Mary. Did not use any surname. Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Bob Owen via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:26 PM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Missing 1911 Census Record - Mary Elizabeth Turton I’m trying to find the 1911 Census Record for my ancestor Mary Elizabeth Turton (nee Preston). Perhaps someone has come across this family. Details are: Mary Elizabeth Preston born 29/03/1881 Aston by Budworth, baptised 29/05/1881 at St Mary’s and All Angels Great Budworth. Married Herbert Turton at St Cross Appleton Thorn in 1903. Known children: Florence Mary born 22/02/1904 Stockton Heath Thomas Herbert Hargreave born 3rd Qtr 1905 Stockton Heath Dorothy Rhodes born 10/01/1911 Stockton Heath The family were probably in the Warrington area in 1911 as both Mary & Herbert died in Stockton Heath (1940 & 1971). The children’s full names are fairly uncommon which I would have thought made searching easier. I’m wondering whether this is one of those Census records with spelling errors so I've tried a few variations of Turton, without success. Any ideas welcome! Bob Owen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8838 - Release Date: 12/30/14

I’m trying to find the 1911 Census Record for my ancestor Mary Elizabeth Turton (nee Preston). Perhaps someone has come across this family. Details are: Mary Elizabeth Preston born 29/03/1881 Aston by Budworth, baptised 29/05/1881 at St Mary’s and All Angels Great Budworth. Married Herbert Turton at St Cross Appleton Thorn in 1903. Known children: Florence Mary born 22/02/1904 Stockton Heath Thomas Herbert Hargreave born 3rd Qtr 1905 Stockton Heath Dorothy Rhodes born 10/01/1911 Stockton Heath The family were probably in the Warrington area in 1911 as both Mary & Herbert died in Stockton Heath (1940 & 1971). The children’s full names are fairly uncommon which I would have thought made searching easier. I’m wondering whether this is one of those Census records with spelling errors so I've tried a few variations of Turton, without success. Any ideas welcome! Bob Owen

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD ---------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Deaths: 3,480 for Urmston, registers at Trafford (1954-1958) Births: 2,005 for Urmston, registers at Trafford (1955-1956) Marriages: 253 for Claughton, Christ Church, registers at Wirral (1949-1961) 252 for Upon (Overchurch), St Mary, registers at Wirral (1947-1961) 29 for Birkenhead, Welsh Congregational Church (Clifton Road), registers at Wirral (1949-1979) 503 for Birkenhead, St James, registers at Wirral (1943-1951) 249 for Birkenhead, St Mark, registers at Wirral (1948-1963) 100 for Thurstaston, St Bartholomew, registers at Wirral (1949-1961) 103 for Caldy Grange, Church of the Resurrection, registers at Wirral (1948-1968) 250 for Birkenhead, St Mary, registers at Wirral (1947-1955) 100 for Lower Bebington, Methodist Church (Bromborough Road), registers at Wirral (1950-1965) 249 for Birkenhead, St Matthew, registers at Wirral (1946-1953) Many thanks to Geoff Oultram, Helen Gill and their respective colleagues for these. ---------------- Forwarded by: Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad

This is probably a lost cause but a cousin who lives in South Africa was trying to find information on her grandfather who was killed in WW1 his son was also killed in WW1 she has no other information other than the name was Robinson, they came from Rudheath in Northwich she only knew her grandmother as Granny Robinson and that she had a daughter Elsie. Regards Gill

I have just returned to Stockport after a couple of days staying with family in Bristol during which we visited the M.shed museum and learned that the ex-Stockport VERNONs on my tree very likely worked at the Great Western Cotton Mill. A web search for the mill produced this item by Paul Townsend 1872 The weaving shed of the Great Western Cotton Works covered nearly an acre of ground and housed more than 800 looms. More than 500, mainly female, employees worked in the shed. Machinery in the adjacent sheds was powered by a revolving shaft, some 180ft in length, which weighed several tons. The shaft crossed the weaving shed, fixed to a solid ceiling beam by heavy iron bearings. The beam itself was supported by cast-iron columns. Shortly after two o’clock, one end of the beam broke away from its fastenings. As it swung slowly round, more bearings and columns were broken and within seconds, the shaft and beam crashed onto the looms below, completely crushing them. More than seventy girls were working directly below the beam but miraculously only ten were injured. Five were well enough to be sent home but the remaining l five were sent to the Infirmary, where Clara Robins (15) died from her injuries. An inquest on her death held by coroner Mr H.S. Wasbrough recorded a verdict of ‘accidental death'. Martha Vernon (19) escaped the first fall, but a piece of iron fell onto her head as she was trying to pull a little girl out of the debris. Martha later died from a fractured skull. I can't believe it .....poor young Martha is one of mine born in Stockport in 1853! Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8826 - Release Date: 12/28/14

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house, Not a creature was stirring........ Except yours truly, who's just finished being Santa's little helper & is now waiting up for Hubby to come back from Midnight Mass, to make sure he locks the door! So..... Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night. All the best everyone. Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay

Many thanks to those of you who replied to my query about Great Budworth Church midnight mass. Perhaps we will see some of you there. Again thanks and best wishes, Bob Mather. In a message dated 22/12/2014 17:47:15 GMT Standard Time, che shire@rootsweb.com writes: Off-list I know, but I do have quite a few forebears there...does anyone know if there is a midnight service on Christmas Eve at St. Marys Seasons greetings all over the world, Bob Mather, Northwich. Sent from Samsung tablet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi ,just googled for the website and it looks as if there is a service, maybe you could ring to check,,but couldn't find a number myself. Happy Christmas Sent from my iPad > On 22 Dec 2014, at 17:40, bob12743 via <cheshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Off-list I know, but I do have quite a few forebears there...does anyone know if there is a midnight service on Christmas Eve at St. Marys > > Seasons greetings all over the world, > Bob Mather, > Northwich. > > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Off-list I know, but I do have quite a few forebears there...does anyone know if there is a midnight service on Christmas Eve at St. Marys Seasons greetings all over the world, Bob Mather, Northwich. Sent from Samsung tablet

He was baptised 15 Dec 1805, Stockport, name spelt CONSTERDINE https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7KL-695 His parents married in Lancashire 8th Nov 1802: Bow Lane, Preston, Lancashire, 08 Nov 1802, Job Consterdine and Betty Scholfield https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF8N-J82 Joy ----Original message---- >From : cheshire@rootsweb.com Date : 21/12/2014 - 11:09 (GMTST) To : cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject : [CHS] constantine *Hi List I am trying to trace the Baptism of a George Constantine at Stockpot St Mary. He was born in 1805. He was born in December 1805 and baptised at Stockpot St Mary's, but not sure when. Any help would be appreciated. His parents were Job Constantine and his mother was a Betty Schofield. Many thanks Regards John Lindley * ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*Hi List I am trying to trace the Baptism of a George Constantine at Stockpot St Mary. He was born in 1805. He was born in December 1805 and baptised at Stockpot St Mary's, but not sure when. Any help would be appreciated. His parents were Job Constantine and his mother was a Betty Schofield. Many thanks Regards John Lindley *

Hi This is comparatively recent history, but I believe a church in Altrincham area erected a large external cross for the Millennium. I think it was St Margaret's on Dunham Road, but not sure. It was only up a short while and was then taken down. Does anyone have any photos of the cross, or know why it was taken down please Many thanks LIz P

Hello everyone. New to this list and am making enquiries for my LINDSAY family. May at one time have emigrated to Australia and could have returned. They would be descendants of JOHN and ELSIE (nee PRESSEY) LINDSAY. deceased. Elsie died Monmouthshire. Hopeful of making contact with a descendant. April nee Morris. Grandfather was Philip Henry Pressey.

I have received this from another list. ""NEW.FAMILYSEARCH.ORG WILL BE TURNED OFF ON FEBRUARY 1, 2015 The next step to fully implement FamilySearch Family Tree on FamilySearch.org is to disable the ability for users to login to and access new.FamilySearch.org. This milestone is planned to occur on February 1, 2015. On February 1, all public APIs (application programming interfaces) will be turned off, as will be the ability to access the program. This step is necessary as we enter the final phase, which is to transfer and synchronize all of the remaining data from new.FamilySearch.org to FamilySearch Family Tree. It is anticipated that this final phase of data testing, transfer, and retesting will require a year to complete. Once this phase is completed in early 2016, new.FamilySearch.org will be completely shut down. It is important to note that many highly desired features of FamilySearch Family Tree cannot begin to be developed until new.FamilySearch.org has reached the final milestone and is completely shut-off. Once that has happened, work can begin on features such as: Merging of gateway ancestors and other people with large records. Highlighting and fixing other data eccentricities, such as when a person appears to have been married before birth, a child older than a parent, a child who is the spouse of parent or grandparent, and so on. The ability for users to change the gender of an ancestor. The ability to see a spouse's ancestral line by default. The patron submissions as well as the extracted data have always been and continue to be included and accessible, but one has to know where to find them. They can be accessed at the following URL: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi You will see two categories to be searched, (1) Community Contributed IGI (Personal family information submitted to the LDS Church) (these are the patron submissions), and (2) Community Indexed IGI (Vital and church records from the early 1500s to 1885), the indexed (extracted) records, nearly all of which are baptisms (christenings) and marriages. So the marriages that were extracted data and found in the IGI are still found there, as well as the baptisms. One can search by name, date, place, and/or batch numbers using the IGI, and you can search either patron submitted or extracted data, or both. The IGI is not being updated (and has not been added to for some time), but Family Search has expressed a commitment to keep all the information in the IGI on the Family Search website and to keep it available and searchable. All new data is going directly into Family Search Family Tree, with older data migrated to Family Tree. There are redundant ways to find much of the information, but hopefully this short summary will be helpful to those trying to find record data on Family Search."" Yeterday I found the burial of my 3x g grandmother in Stockport using this link: I have received this from another list. ""NEW.FAMILYSEARCH.ORG WILL BE TURNED OFF ON FEBRUARY 1, 2015 The next step to fully implement FamilySearch Family Tree on FamilySearch.org is to disable the ability for users to login to and access new.FamilySearch.org. This milestone is planned to occur on February 1, 2015. On February 1, all public APIs (application programming interfaces) will be turned off, as will be the ability to access the program. This step is necessary as we enter the final phase, which is to transfer and synchronize all of the remaining data from new.FamilySearch.org to FamilySearch Family Tree. It is anticipated that this final phase of data testing, transfer, and retesting will require a year to complete. Once this phase is completed in early 2016, new.FamilySearch.org will be completely shut down. It is important to note that many highly desired features of FamilySearch Family Tree cannot begin to be developed until new.FamilySearch.org has reached the final milestone and is completely shut-off. Once that has happened, work can begin on features such as: Merging of gateway ancestors and other people with large records. Highlighting and fixing other data eccentricities, such as when a person appears to have been married before birth, a child older than a parent, a child who is the spouse of parent or grandparent, and so on. The ability for users to change the gender of an ancestor. The ability to see a spouse's ancestral line by default. The patron submissions as well as the extracted data have always been and continue to be included and accessible, but one has to know where to find them. They can be accessed at the following URL: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi You will see two categories to be searched, (1) Community Contributed IGI (Personal family information submitted to the LDS Church) (these are the patron submissions), and (2) Community Indexed IGI (Vital and church records from the early 1500s to 1885), the indexed (extracted) records, nearly all of which are baptisms (christenings) and marriages. So the marriages that were extracted data and found in the IGI are still found there, as well as the baptisms. One can search by name, date, place, and/or batch numbers using the IGI, and you can search either patron submitted or extracted data, or both. The IGI is not being updated (and has not been added to for some time), but Family Search has expressed a commitment to keep all the information in the IGI on the Family Search website and to keep it available and searchable. All new data is going directly into Family Search Family Tree, with older data migrated to Family Tree. There are redundant ways to find much of the information, but hopefully this short summary will be helpful to those trying to find record data on Family Search."" This is in itself interesting news but yesterday I found the death and burial of my 3x g grandmother, Hannah COALCLOUGH in Stockport sin 1859 using this link: https://familysearch.org/ I have just tried the link quoted above (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi) but the record does not appear in either submissions or extractions. Can I assume that this is because it is one of the records which have been collected recently and therefore it has been entered in Family Search but not in IGI? Eric Millward https://familysearch.org/ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8735 - Release Date: 12/14/14

Hello Recently I have done research on a couple of members of a French family from the Isère. One of them, Joseph Gaspard, came to England in the early 1900s to work as a guide (and general dogsbody I think) at the Wasdale/ Wastwater Hotel in Cumbria. He’s on the 1911 census for that place, and he’s also on the Roll of Honour in the church at Nether Wasdale; he was killed on the Somme in 1916. Also on the census for that year is Alexandre Gaspard; his father was Joseph’s grandfather, though the two were much of an age. Alexandre is boarding with Mary Jane Hewitt at 58 Byram Street, Altrincham; he’s a rock climber, working on his own account (rg_20528_0121_03) The two Gaspards must have met up at the end of the previous year because Alexandre was busy on 30th Dec 2010 opening new routes on Great Gable with two English climbers. What I would like to find out, if there’s any way of doing that, is why a rock climber would be living in Altrincham. I know there are places close by which would test some of today’s “crag rats”, but the early part of the 20th century? And if Byram Street still exists, is there anyone who could take a photo of no 58. I’m trying to provide as much info as I can about these two for the Musée d’Alpinisme in in St Christophe en Oisans Liz Owen (on a day excursion from the Cumberland List)

My thanks to Adrian, Eric and Ruth for their prompt replies re Joseph Pemberton. Regards Tim On 01/12/2014 21:46, Adrian Bruce wrote: > Regrettably I don't have the answer to this one. > > However - for interest's sake - have you worked out the true parentage > of John Pemberton? I'm still not sure.... > > He married Sarah Pickstock (hence my interest) who died in childbirth > in March 1810. In the baptisms of children born to John and Sarah > Pemberton, John's parents are described as > - "Thomas & Jane Pemberton of Warmingham" (John P, bap 1799); > - "Jane Pemberton of Warmingham" (Samuel P, bap 1802); > - "Jane Pemberton of Minshull" (Mary P, bap 1805); > - "Thomas & Jane ?Cokely? of Lordship" (Thomas P, bap 1808); > > My suspicion is that the last gives us a clue in that the Warmingham > BTs for 22 Feb 1782 records a marriage of a Jane Pemberton to Thomas > "Coleclough". So this might explain where the Thomas bit comes from. > As John Pemberton isn't a relative of mine, except by marriage, and > there isn't an obvious baptism for him in FamilySearch, I've never > gone deeper into this one. > > Adrian > > On 01/12/2014 16:30, Tim Moore via wrote: >> Hi Listers >> I am researching Joseph Pemberton, born 30/11/1816 and baptised >> 12/01/1817 at Witton Church, Northwich, son of John and Elizabeth >> Pemberton of Witton. Unfortunately Find My Past has only copied one >> half of the parish register (yet again although they have done it >> twice!), which gives details of John, and John's parents, Thomas >> (crossed out) and Jane Pemberton from Warmingham. >> Does anyone have access to the info on the other half of the register >> for Elizabeth please? >> Regards >> Tim Moore >> >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3495 / Virus Database: 4189/8662 - Release Date: 12/01/14 > >