Hello Christine A Richard WHITAKER married Mary SWINDELS of Leek at Gawsworth Parish Church by Licence in 11 Feb 1752 according to the Phillimore Transcript. I have WHIT(T)AKERS in Disley but the furthest I have got back is to Robert who was born c1744 and who died in Disley in 1829. He probably came to Disley from the Torkington area as one of his children is given that address when baptised at Marple church. Incidentally there are a couple of Joshua (& Lydia) baptisms at Poynton. Presumably this is a different one. best wishes Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com

Perhaps there were several possible reasons for exemption, such as long-term illness, some handicap such as being deaf and dumb or even living beyond walking distance of the school. Lynda Burke, nee Chetwood On 18 August 2013 22:08, Gill Gladwin <maygladwin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Gill Gladwin <maygladwin@gmail.com> > > Date: 18 August 2013 15:54:33 BST > > To: cheshire list <cheshire-request@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: may.gladwin@talk21.com > > Subject: Education in the 19c > > > > I am attempting to transcribe a school admission register covering the > period 1873-1906 .I keep seeing the term "Exempt " in the column marked > "reason for leaving". It once said "Exempt due to attendance record". I > would love to know what the term refers to,can anyone help please? > > Gill > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Gill Gladwin <maygladwin@gmail.com> > Date: 18 August 2013 15:54:33 BST > To: cheshire list <cheshire-request@rootsweb.com> > Cc: may.gladwin@talk21.com > Subject: Education in the 19c > > I am attempting to transcribe a school admission register covering the period 1873-1906 .I keep seeing the term "Exempt " in the column marked "reason for leaving". It once said "Exempt due to attendance record". I would love to know what the term refers to,can anyone help please? > Gill > > Sent from my iPad

Hi All, The parish registers for Gawsworth show Martha Whitaker, daughter of Joshuah, bap 16 Oct 1756. The bishop's transcripts show Martha Whittaker daughter of Richard, bap 16 Oct 1756. The entries either side appear to be the same. I assume the bishop's transcripts are in error, especially as I know from the will that Joshua had a daughter Martha. Do other people agree with my assumption? Does anyone know Richard's family as I am trying to connect all these Gawsworth Whittaker's together. Any help greatly appreciated. Christine

Hi, thanks to everyone who responded to my query, I think that the child or mother must have been ill or otherwise indisposed as there 8 other children in the family but none of them have had a private baptism. Mary was the 5th child. I'm still not quite sure if they are my Ikin's, a bit more digging I think!! Jo C.

Hello Joe The private baptism will have taken place somewhere other than in the church - probably the place of birth which is likely to have been the mother's home. The child was later received into the church by actually going there. Whilst many private baptisms took place just in case the child should die before being baptised in church I have wondered whether there were cases where it was done almost as a status thing. I can't believe it was necessary to privately baptise every baby in a family on health grounds. Mike Shropshire, UK _____________________________________________ On 17/08/2013 15:17, jocol44@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Hello, I have found on the Cheshire parish database a baptism for > Mary Ikin, Father William, Mother Jane dated 16-3-1794the dob states > 13-12-1793 and a private baptism the same day 13-12-1793, then the > letters RECD (received). Does anyone know what this would mean, > perhaps the child wasn't expected to live, any help would be > appreciated, thanks, Jo C. >

<<snipped>> a private baptism the same day 13-12-1793, then the letters RECD (received). Does anyone know what this would mean, perhaps the child wasn't expected to live <<snipped>> The usual reason for a private baptism is that the child was too ill to be brought to church, including, as you suggest, cases where it was distinctly possible that the child would die. No doubt there were other reasons - one case in my tree has a private baptism where the mother died the next day. One can imagine a distraught father requesting the priest to come round so that his wife could see their child baptised before she died, though clearly I know nothing of the baby's health. I also would be willing to bet there are cases hushed up with a private baptism. After a private baptism, the child should be publically received into the church - that's what the "RECD" refers to. My gut feeling is that records of this happening are less frequent than private baptisms and there are often discussions about whether a second entry in the baptismal register for a child really is a second baptism (which shouldn't happen) or the reception into the Church. Adrian B

Hi Jo, The BT for this baptism is on FMP, but doesn't have a note next to it. "Received" in a parish register usually means "Received into the Church". That would seem to indicate that the child did survive and was taken to church to be formally received at a later date. There is a marriage for Mary Ikin to Samuel Fryer Johnson, at Acton on 28 Dec 1826. The only burial I could find in Acton was for a Mary Ikin, Widow of Pool, on 5 Oct 1808, possibly Mary's mother? Hope this helps. Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 17/08/2013 15:17, jocol44@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Hello, I have found on the Cheshire parish database a baptism for Mary Ikin, Father William, Mother Jane dated 16-3-1794the dob states 13-12-1793 and a private baptism the same day 13-12-1793, then the letters RECD (received). Does anyone know what this would mean, perhaps the child wasn't expected to live, any help would be appreciated, thanks, Jo C. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I have found on the Cheshire parish database a baptism for Mary Ikin, Father William, Mother Jane dated 16-3-1794the dob states 13-12-1793 and a private baptism the same day 13-12-1793, then the letters RECD (received). Does anyone know what this would mean, perhaps the child wasn't expected to live, any help would be appreciated, thanks, Jo C.

The Benjamin Kay who married in Runcorn in 1905 appears in the 1911 census with the birthplace Atherton, Lancs. He is a chemical works labourer. His wife Clara was born in Weston, Runcorn. The 1871 census has William Kay, Blacksmith, living in Bolton,Lancs, aged 36, born Little Lever, Lancs Wife Elizabeth 22 born Scotland. William J. Kay 3 days born Bolton. William Kay married Elizabeth Notman in June 1/4 of 1870 in Bolton Registration Dist. In 1881 she is living in Atherton in the household of a John Schofield 42, Collier born Atherton.She is described as lodger, married, age 30 Charwoman, born Edinburgh Benjamin Kay is aged 3 and Robert Notman Kay aged 10 months, both born Atherton. Hope this is of some use. Let me know if it is. Regards, Lyn PS This might avoid the cost of buying a marriage certificate!

<<snipped>> Would some kind person have access to a marriage record ? The Marriage is for Benjamin Kay and Clara Price Charlesworth They were married the June quarter of 1905 in Runcorn Cheshire 8a 510 ... I would need the parents listed on Bens marriage to determine a connection <<snipped>> Unfortunately, according to CheshireBMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi the marriage is a Civil Marriage in Runcorn. I think this may still cover the possibility of a chapel wedding where the registrar attended to do the legal bit, but the point is that the only official record will be held by the registrars. Since registrars' records are not on general release to the public, the only way anyone can give you that information would be to order the certificate - which you could do yourself through the GRO. English marriage certificates, by the way, only give the name and occupation of the father, not the mother. Adrian B PS - the obvious other way of getting the data is if someone is researching the same family and already has the certificate, but that's only by luck. PPS - looking at the 1911 census, your couple appear to be at Clifton, Weston, Cheshire. (Ancestry's index is a muddle here since it combines 2 households). The index says "Alberton, Lancashire" for his birthplace - and I couldn't blame anyone for misreading that. If you follow Ben* Kay b in Lancashire in 1878 +/- 5y through the censuses, then my best bet is that he is in the 1881 on Class: RG11; Piece: 3809; Folio: 81; Page: 21; - lodging in ATHERTON with his mother, Elizabeth Kay, who claims to be married but who knows? This is just on the basis of a quick look....

The marriage is listed as Civil on Cheshire B M D Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference KAY Benjamin CHARLESWORTH Clara Price Runcorn, Civil Marriage Halton If it were in the R/o and not a building authorised for marriages then your only option is to purchase the entry Good Luck Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of familyhistory Sent: 14 August 2013 21:42 To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] marriage info of parents listed Hello folks Would some kind person have access to a marriage record ? The Marriage is for Benjamin Kay and Clara Price Charlesworth They were married the June quater of 1905 in Runcorn Cheshire 8a 510 Ben could be my grandfathers brother who was left behind in England when grandfather was sent as home child to Canada and I would need the parents listed on Bens marriage to determine a connection Thankyou in advance for any help ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello folks Would some kind person have access to a marriage record ? The Marriage is for Benjamin Kay and Clara Price Charlesworth They were married the June quater of 1905 in Runcorn Cheshire 8a 510 Ben could be my grandfathers brother who was left behind in England when grandfather was sent as home child to Canada and I would need the parents listed on Bens marriage to determine a connection Thankyou in advance for any help

Janie, the Findmypast website has the Bishops Transcript of Owen's birth - the details of which you've already been given from Family Search - with the additional information that Owen was 'Illeg'. All the original documents can be seen on FMP and I can see that the Kinnersley family lived in Astbury/Congleton for several generations. If you are researching Cheshire families then (for now at least) FMP is the website which shows all surviving Cheshire parish registers in the original. It allows you to scroll through a register page by page so that you can begin to put your family into context. This comes at a cost however. And that is something only you can weigh up for yourself. It is a website not without its own problems and idiosyncrasies - but for me, and my needs, it has been invaluable. I recommend it. Do you know about the Cheshire Parish Register Project being undertaken by Liverpool University? See here: http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ This is a long-term project and at present covers only some areas of Cheshire. But if you are lucky the transcriptions are full and accurate (no originals) and can be 99.9% relied on. Good hunting. Ruth

Hi Janie, Welcome to Cheshire-L Family Search has a baptism (Bishop's Transcripts) indexed 16 AUG 1818 at Astbury, mother Lettice Kennerley, no father noted - there are quite a few events for the names Owen Kennerley and Lettice Kennerley on Family Search, perhaps the same family? you can find Family Search at https://familysearch.org/ but would recommend checking the actual register entry where you can. regards, Elaine -----Original Message----- From: Mrs Watson Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:52 PM To: cheshire-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] KENNERLEY of Astbury/Congeton Good eveningI'm new to this list, and trying to break down my Kennrley brick wall!I have Owen Kennerley, born Astbury/Congleton about 1816. He married Sarah Bailey. I simply cannot find any parents for Owen - and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.Thank youJanie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good eveningI'm new to this list, and trying to break down my Kennrley brick wall!I have Owen Kennerley, born Astbury/Congleton about 1816. He married Sarah Bailey. I simply cannot find any parents for Owen - and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.Thank youJanie

Hi Joy, Many thanks for your reply. I was so wrapped up in why the 1903 one wasn’t on Ancestry I overlooked the obvious. I will remove the extra Jessie from my tree. Thanks again, Christine From: Joy Langdon Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:45 PM To: Christine Benson ; CHESHIRE mailing list Subject: Re: [CHS] Jessie SALT Hi Christine, There are two Jessie Salts in the Stockport registration district about the right age on the 1911 census. One aged 8, birthplace Stockport is living at 9 Norris St, Heaton Lane, Stockport with mother Annie SALT, widow etc. The other aged 9 is living at 60 Castle St, Stockport with parents George and Mary Jane SALT etc. There is no birthplace for Jessie but Mary Jane's birthplace is Stockport and there are dittos down the page for the children so I suspect Jessie's birthplace is also Stockport and whoever filled out the census just didn't ditto down far enough. This seems to account for the two birth registrations on FreeBMD. Joy

Hi Christine,   There are two Jessie Salts in the Stockport registration district about the right age on the 1911 census.   One aged 8, birthplace Stockport is living at 9 Norris St, Heaton Lane, Stockport with mother Annie SALT, widow etc.   The other aged 9 is living at 60 Castle St, Stockport with parents George and Mary Jane SALT etc.  There is no birthplace for Jessie but Mary Jane's birthplace is Stockport and there are dittos down the page for the children so I suspect Jessie's birthplace is also Stockport and whoever filled out the census just didn't ditto down far enough.   This seems to account for the two birth registrations on FreeBMD.   Joy ________________________________ From: Christine Benson <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: CHESHIRE mailing list <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2013, 17:47 Subject: [CHS] Jessie SALT Hi All, According to FreeBMD there are 2 births for Jessie SALT, Q3 1901 and Q2 1903, both in Stockport. So I presumed the first had died, although I cannot find the death, and the second one had been given the same name. And her age in 1911 matches the 1903 birth. But Ancestry only gives the 1901 birth! So that makes me wonder if I am missing something here. I thought the Ancestry births were taken straight from FreeBMD. Notes There is a death in Aston but that matches a birth in Aston I have tried wild card searches for Jessie 1903 without success. Can anyone explain this? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, According to FreeBMD there are 2 births for Jessie SALT, Q3 1901 and Q2 1903, both in Stockport. So I presumed the first had died, although I cannot find the death, and the second one had been given the same name. And her age in 1911 matches the 1903 birth. But Ancestry only gives the 1901 birth! So that makes me wonder if I am missing something here. I thought the Ancestry births were taken straight from FreeBMD. Notes There is a death in Aston but that matches a birth in Aston I have tried wild card searches for Jessie 1903 without success. Can anyone explain this? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine

I am wondering what has happend to the pages for Bapts, Marriage and burial for Cheshire parish project I have used the pages in the past, but now I cannot do so Can anyone tell me what has happpened THanks Elaine