Stockport cemetery for historic burials definitely has a "Church" section and a "Catholic" section. I do not know if that discrimination still exists. Eric Millward

<<snipped>> I've seen cemeteries zoned by religion of the deceased, which is also clearly indicated on cemetery plans. <<snipped>> I'm not sure if there is / was a laid-down requirement but I've only seen reference to "consecrated" and "unconsecrated", where "consecrated" refers to the Anglican church (CofE). I've never yet seen any other denomination though I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some somewhere. I wonder if the practice might not simply come from the local Anglican church taking a "block booking" on part of the new cemetery as its own churchyard filled up, in order to accommodate funerals in its own churches? Rather than deliberately providing an option to, ahem, new arrivals. That might explain the lack of current segregation. Adrian PS - I've never been quite sure when a church makes an entry in its burial register these days. I convinced myself from looking at the entries that a funeral on its own did not justify an entry in the burial register, but the situation is confused by churches like St Mary's in Nantwich, which continued with its own burial register even though burials took place down the road at All Saints.

Hi, I'd like to thank Jan for the info re the free access to Ancestry's census returns, it was very helpful, I even found an ancestor who was born in Malta! It was much appreciated. Jo C.

Hi Lynda It was/is common practice for families to "purchase" a grave site in a churchyard - this usually meant that they paid a fairly large sum of money to have that area reserved for a set number of years, so that families could be buried together. I live right next to a churchyard and watch quite a few burials, often in reopened graves of other family members. In England, public cemeteries are still zoned according to religion so that all local inhabitants can be accommodated (if you know what I mean). Most local authories will publish online maps of the cemeteries in their area which can be downloaded free. Churchyards are more likely to have burials of those who followed that branch of Christianity although that depends on the attitude of the incumbent. Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynda Burke > Sent: 27 August 2013 06:28 > To: CHESHIRE List message > Subject: [CHS] UK cemeteries > > Researching in Australia, and online, I've seen cemeteries > zoned by religion of the deceased, which is also clearly > indicated on cemetery plans. > > Is (or was) this practice followed in England and Wales? I > notice that in Nantwich cemetery all my Methodist > grandparents and several other relatives are buried close together. > > The newer graves at the top end don't seem to be segregated. > > Can anyone explain practice and or policy on this? > > Lynda Burke, nee Chetwood > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Researching in Australia, and online, I've seen cemeteries zoned by religion of the deceased, which is also clearly indicated on cemetery plans. Is (or was) this practice followed in England and Wales? I notice that in Nantwich cemetery all my Methodist grandparents and several other relatives are buried close together. The newer graves at the top end don't seem to be segregated. Can anyone explain practice and or policy on this? Lynda Burke, nee Chetwood

Hello again Roy, I have settled for Poundswick which fits perfectly with all my other information. I can now investigate later material with some confidence. Thanks again, Eric Millward

Beverley, Thanks for your reply. I agree with what you say but when faced with multilple possibilities in later censuses I have only this one clue to compare with ... Pounsworth!. It has already been plausibly suggested that it is a variation of Poynton with Worth which I know well but that does not jibe with the later possible census records in which Mobberley appears to be the most likely birthplace but only if LEIGH has been translated to LEE. I need a baptism record I think. Eric Millward

From: "Eric Millward" <bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk> > In the 1851 census I have Jane LEIGH, unmarried, aged 20 in Heaton > Mersey Stockport. Her birth place is given clearly as Pounsworth, > Cheshire but that is a new placename for me as a lifelong Cheshire > resident. > > The 1841 census does not help in this and by 1861 she is not with her > parents. > > Any ideas please? Mobberley area perhaps?> I wonder if "Pownsworth" (which is how I read it on the 1851 image) could be a local dialect name, or possibly the enumerator's abbreviation, for Poynton-with-Worth? I think I found her in 1841 at the following reference: HO107 piece 111 folio 1/6 page 7. You will tell me, I am sure, that in 1851 her parents were James and Mary and in 1841 they were James and Hannah. But compare the names and ages of the four children Jane, James, John and Robert in both censuses and you will see that they appear to match! They were at Heald Green, Stockport Etchells. You should consider the possibility that Hannah died and James remarried to a Mary. Indeed, you will find with FreeBMD deaths for half a dozen Hannah Leighs at Stockport RD between 1841 and 1851, and potential marriages (5) for James Leigh to a Mary, also at Stockport, in the same period, -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

In the 1851 census I have Jane LEIGH, unmarried, aged 20 in Heaton Mersey Stockport. Her birth place is given clearly as Pounsworth, Cheshire but that is a new placename for me as a lifelong Cheshire resident. The 1841 census does not help in this and by 1861 she is not with her parents. Any ideas please? Mobberley area perhaps? Thanks Eric Millward

Eric, I believe that the birthplace will continue to be given in the census, no matter whether she is with her parents or not. Sometimes, it is useful for me to put all the birthplaces together, and it turns out that in one census, the town name was given, in the next the village, and in the next, even a property name, so I have to make a 'soup" of the names to determine where it is. Of course, I am in Virginia, and have only made it to Cheshire once, so none of names are easy for me. Sorry, I do not know where Pounsworth is. Beverly Culpeper, VA -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric Millward Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:35 AM To: Cheshire List Subject: [CHS] Pounsworth?? Cheshire In the 1851 census I have Jane LEIGH, unmarried, aged 20 in Heaton Mersey Stockport. Her birth place is given clearly as Pounsworth, Cheshire but that is a new placename for me as a lifelong Cheshire resident. The 1841 census does not help in this and by 1861 she is not with her parents. Any ideas please? Mobberley area perhaps? Thanks Eric Millward ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Cynthia I will try and find out if anyone knows about your Guide Leader Mrs Lawton and her son Anthony, from some Trefoil Members in Macclesfield. It might take a few weeks to find this inoformation. Ann

I am looking for an occupant of Goughs Court, Upper Northgate St., Cheshire in 1914. The person's name is Thomas DODD, and his name was given as next-of-kin to Frederick DORMAN on Attestation Papers for the Canadian Expeditionary Force in 1914. Frederick DORMAN, and he states that he was born on March 1, 1885 @ Chester, England. To date, I haven't been able to track this person down in the UK, so I am hoping that his next-of-kin information may help. The address given for Thomas DODD is Goughs Court, Upper Northgate Street, Chester. I have checked the 1911 census, and there is only 1 family living at this location, and they are Samuel & Elizabeth JONES plus 6 children and 1 nephew named Albert AMSON. Any advice or assistance would be most appreciated. Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

Thanks Lyn & Joy for responding. And a special thanks to Paul for sending me a copy of Elinor's burial record. Kind regards, Bill Cotgreave -----Original Message----- From: Paul C. Palmer [mailto:pcpalmer@gvtc.com] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:48 PM To: Bill Cotgreave; CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CHS] Quaker Burials Dear Bill, I have sent you an attached photocopy by private email containing Elinor's Quaker death/burial record. It is from the London Public Record Office (PRO) file # RG6-1037. She was buried at Whitley. Your date is slightly off, probably owing to a poor transcription and/or a misunderstanding of Quaker Old Style dating. I could not find a record for Thomas. Paul C. Palmer, Comal County, TX -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Bill Cotgreave Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:38 AM To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Quaker Burials Hi All, Anyone familiar with Quaker records? I have the following, Quaker Burials; Thomas Codgreave of Helsby buried 12 Dec 1658. Elinor Codgreave ( his widow) of Bromnell buried 11 Apr 1671 A quick search of Google failed to shed any info. ''Does anyone know if there was a separate Quaker burial ground in the area or would they have been buried in the Parish Church? I'd appreciate any further info that might help. Bill Cotgreave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don you should report any errors or omissions to the Web Master. There is a link to him on the CheshireBMD website. Click on births or marriages or deaths and from the drop down menus select the relevant Information link. This will take you to a numbered list of links. Select the one which says "What should I do if I find a mistake in the indexes?" This will take you to a page onto which you can type your query or error and will automatically be sent to the Web Master. The Web Master will then forward your query to the person who is dealing with the relevant Register Office. Bob Kirk Web address: http://kirksoft.co.uk/ Sent from my iPad On 24 Aug 2013, at 11:44, Don Tomkinson <don.tomkinson@lineone.net> wrote: > I've come across an error on Cheshire BMD, but can't see a means of > notifying it. Is this possible? > > Don Tomkinson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know about the situation where the Codgreaves were buried but this is information about Quaker burials generally from the Devon County Council website:   "The first Quakers were buried in the parish churchyard or in their own gardens or orchards, but by the end of the 17th century, most meeting-houses had their own graveyard. When a Friend died, a burial note was issued to the grave-maker, and after burial the note was returned to the Monthly Meeting and entered in the register. It was then passed on to the Monthly Meeting to which the deceased belonged, if it was different. Every year, the notes were sent to the Quarterly Meeting and registered there. After 1837, this burial system ended, but burial notes were still issued and a minute recording name and date of death recorded at the Monthly Meeting.   The Friends were very law-abiding, and complied with the Burial in Woollens Act; parish burial registers may contain a note that Quakers have made an affidavit, even though the deceased person was not buried in the churchyard. The use of head-stones in Friends’ burial grounds was denounced by the Yearly Meeting in 1717, which meant that Friends' graves should be unmarked, although in practice this was often not the case. After the 1864 Act, Friends began to keep a separate burial register for each burial ground."  http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/family_history_3/nonconformist.htm#quakers     Joy  ________________________________ From: Bill Cotgreave <billcot@optonline.net> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2013, 17:37 Subject: [CHS] Quaker Burials Hi All, Anyone familiar with Quaker records? I have the following, Quaker Burials; Thomas Codgreave of Helsby buried 12 Dec 1658. Elinor Codgreave ( his widow) of Bromnell buried 11 Apr 1671 A quick search of Google failed to shed any info. ''Does anyone know if there was a separate Quaker burial ground in the area or would they have been buried in the Parish Church? I'd appreciate any further info that might help. Bill Cotgreave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe her will might offer a clue as to where she asked to be buried? Her abode is given as Broomhill, Barrow as I thought. Regards, Lyn

There was one at Newton near Frodsham but if the Bromnell is Broomhill, Great Barrow area maybe they were buried in the Quaker Burial Ground in Chester. Just a thought. Regards, Lyn:

At St Marys And All Saints church Gt Budworth. HERITAGE DAY. 14th September,1pm -----------4.30pm. Trip up the church tower. £3 for adults, £1.50 8/15yrs, NO under 8yr olds.allowed. Display of old records,normally held in CHESTER records office. and other documents. Talk on the Parish church. Demonstration of the Renn organ Guided walk with the vicar to Quebec Woods. Trips up the church tower,must be book early.list in the church entrance on the Friends table. Light refreshments will be on sale for modest cost. -- " potius mori quam foedari "

Dear Bill, I have sent you an attached photocopy by private email containing Elinor's Quaker death/burial record. It is from the London Public Record Office (PRO) file # RG6-1037. She was buried at Whitley. Your date is slightly off, probably owing to a poor transcription and/or a misunderstanding of Quaker Old Style dating. I could not find a record for Thomas. Paul C. Palmer, Comal County, TX -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Bill Cotgreave Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:38 AM To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Quaker Burials Hi All, Anyone familiar with Quaker records? I have the following, Quaker Burials; Thomas Codgreave of Helsby buried 12 Dec 1658. Elinor Codgreave ( his widow) of Bromnell buried 11 Apr 1671 A quick search of Google failed to shed any info. ''Does anyone know if there was a separate Quaker burial ground in the area or would they have been buried in the Parish Church? I'd appreciate any further info that might help. Bill Cotgreave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marjorie I'm glad you enjoyed the photographs - there are a lot of "old" pictures on there, particularly of places which no longer exist. Some of my family are in the "People" pictures - my parents and grandparents were Whaley-born so I know it well. Keep up the good work. Best wishes Jackie On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Marjorie Ward < marjorie.ward2@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello Jackie > > A rather belated thank you for posting the link to the Whaley Bridge > photos. I have just spent an enjoyable half hour looking through them. > > Holly Gaskell and I are gradually adding wills to the Disley website shown > below. For Whaley Bridge these now cover 1587 to 1880. > > best wishes > > Marjorie Ward > Derbyshire, UK > Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net > Sources for Hollingworths www.hollingworths.net > Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; > Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills > http://freepages.genealogy.**rootsweb.com/~dusk<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk> > John Ward Paintings: www.johnward-art.com >