Could anyone with access to Victorian archives do a lookup for me, please? I'd be happy to reciprocate by helping with UK sources. Percival VIncent Coady (or Cody) married LiIlian Cockerill in St Mary's, Geelong on 29 Oct.1919. The family say he was born on 24 February 1894 in Carlton, Melbourne, but I haven't found a birth registration on Ancestry.com. He died in March 1970, according to his granddaughter. Sometimes he is listed as Percy, without his middle name. I'd be very grateful if someone could identify his birthdate and nail down who his parents were. His mother was unmarried. Ironically I think I have found her parents, but not her, in a grave in Geelong. In hope Lynda Burke, nee Chetwood

The link I have, and have used recently, is: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ However it is not working, probably due to a maintenance shut-down. I suggest you try again later. Cheers, -Martin On 12/09/2013 00:00, Joan Birtles wrote: > Hello Listers > > > > I have just rejoined your list looking for another possible BIRTLES > ancestor. > > > > I have had great success in the past with the Cheshire Parish Register > Project but I am unable to access it now with the site I have bookmarked. > > > > > If the site has been changed, could a lister please send me the link to this > project. > > > > Kind regards > > Joan in NSW, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Psa.37) Web: http://www.biblewitness.org

The following updates for CheshireBMD have just been announced: ----------------- Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated as follows: Births: 501 for Sale, registers at Trafford (1951-1952) 1,510 for Stretford, registers at Trafford (1942-1945) 1,519 for Altrincham, registers at Trafford (1944-1945) Replaced 4,581 for Ashton and Mossley, registers at Tameside (1957-1974) to add mother's maiden name Replaced 29,117 for Ashton under Lyne Hospital, registers at Tameside (1933-1974) to add mother's maiden name Replaced 41,398 for Ashton under Lyne, registers at Tameside (1913-1961) to add mother's maiden name Marriages: 22 for Audenshaw, St Stephen, registers at Tameside (2007-2012) Deaths: 1,961 for Stretford, registers at Trafford (1951-1955) 1,503 for Altrincham, registers at Trafford (1947-1949) Many thanks to Geoff Oultram, Bob Kirk and their respective colleagues for these. ---------------- forwarded by: Bob Kirk Dukinfield Cheshire www.Kirksoft.me.uk http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk

Dear Fellow Family Historians, As a Cheshire girl born and bred I know that Didsbury, on the other side of the Mersey where I now live, has always, and still is, in Lancashire. However, there are so many connections with Cheshire people and places I thought I would point out a few things you can see over Didsbury Open Doors Heritage Weekend which is coming up on Saturday and Sunday 14th and 15th September. For full details of the 15 places which can be visited and various activities see www.didsburycivicsociety.org.uk. However, don't miss a visit to St James' Church on Stenner Lane, M20 2RQ where there is a special 60th anniversary Coronation Exhibition of local people's memories of 1953 celebrating the fact that the Queen is descended from several Cheshire families including a Mayor of Stockport, a Bishop of Chester, the Lord of the Manor of Manchester, the original owner of Bolesworth Castle,etc. Fletcher Moss, who wrote all the books about visits to houses in Cheshire and Staffordshire, and his effect on the life of Didsbury and the surrounding area will be covered in a special talk I am giving on Saturday 14th September at 6pm at St James' Church. Finally, the house, The Towers, where the Manchester Ship Canal papers were signed in 1888 and the Georgian Pump House of MMU will also be open. Maybe many Cheshire teachers trained at this site when it was Didsbury College of Education. This will be your last chance to visit as MMU pulls out next summer. If you are involved in Open Days in your own area this weekend, as I suspect many of you are, then there is a Coronation Organ Recital on Thursday 12th September at 6pm for 6.30pm in St James' Church which would allow you to see this famous Grade II* 13th century church and its exhibition before the weekend. Hope to see some of you. Kind regards, Diana M. Leitch Dr Diana M. Leitch BSc, PhD, FRSC, Local and Family Historian Information Consultant.

Just returned from this Family History Conference in Leicestershire. We had lots of excellent speakers, met lots of interesting people from all over the world and added to our knowledge of Family History. If you ever get the chance to go to a conference or just a Day Seminar then do try and go. Regards, Lyn

Many thanks to all who came back to me. Although I have come across a number of variation of the name Rowcroft I have not previously seen it starting with an 'H'. Looking at other words on the same page beginning with the letter 'H' the start of the name Rowcroft is definitely different and I have submitted a correction request. As Adrian commented, the link to for a census reference search is not immediately obvious. It was the first time that I have had to use it on FMP but now it has been pointed out to me I will not miss it in the future. Once again, many thanks. Norman

<<snipped>> nor do I see why anyone has any difficulty at all in finding their way round their website. It seems perfectly clear to me, as do the directions, guidance and help. <<snipped>> Unfortunately, it is clear to me that FMP have "previous" on their User Interface. Someone using the site often may get used to quirks. But for others... I remember a mail exchange on this List that went on for several days where someone was trying to find the image of a Cheshire Will. They could only find the transcript (which, of course, isn't a transcript at all, only an index entry). Now, on every(?) other screen in the Cheshire Collection, each line of the response to a search contains one link to the transcript and one link to the image. Not so the Wills, which only have a link to the transcript. You have to go to the transcript to find the link to the image. Now that route happens to exist on the others, but if you always went straight for the image on the others, you'd never know. So that pointless difference was the first issue. Then there was the link to the image from the "transcript".... The original enquirer simply couldn't see it. When we finally described it pixel by pixel almost, he was mortified not to have seen it. It isn't a button or text link, not even a recognisable icon. It looks like a decorative logo and clearly that's what the original poster had dismissed it as. Let's be clear about this - User Interface design is not easy but consistency is important - the Cheshire Wills issue shows the truth of the old adage, "There's nothing like consistency, and that's nothing like.." And before anyone starts - yes, Ancestry's User Interface can be as pig-headed as FMP's and don't get me started on FamilySearch's determination in the first few days of its revamped site not to have the words "Records" or "Search" on its front screen... But Roy is very right about one thing - if it doesn't work, read the manual! Adrian B

I really cannot understand why anyone should have a problem in finding JOSEPH ROWCROFT or HOWCROFT at Findmypast in the 1851 census from the information given! Yes, the spelling may be debatable and, looking at the image, the initial letter of the surname may be a matter of interpretation. But it took me only a matter of seconds to find the correct entry from the information Norman gave. Either the census reference search leads you directly to it or you can get to it by using a wildcard, ie. "*CROFT*, the birth year 1771 plus or minus 2 years, and the birth place Offerton, details which Norman gave. In my experience Findmypast's census transcriptions are generally superior to Ancestry's, nor do I see why anyone has any difficulty at all in finding their way round their website. It seems perfectly clear to me, as do the directions, guidance and help. And, yes, before anyone raises it I may be biased because I do a "Famous family trees" blog for FMP and the people who run it are good friends of mine. But, really, I do wonder sometimes whether people really know what they are doing when they complain they can't find an entry. It's not rocket science to navigate one's way round a website. All it requires it a bit of common sense. - well, to a professional anyway, and I am always willing to help novices as I do quite a lot of the time. ALWAYS pay attention to the tips given, they are there to help you! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> > <<snipped>> > I now want to check the image on FMP but cannot find him. My next step was > to do a search using the census reference but, unless I am being a bit > dense, there is no way of doing this on FMP. > <<snipped>> > > It's well hidden. (Pause for moan - FMP's User Interface design can be > appalling - this isn't the first link that has been disguised as text...) > > Go to the basic (or advanced) Person search. > > There are something like 5 lines for input (on the basic search), then the > "Less is more!" warning with the Search button below that. (Yes, Mr FMP > designer, your Search button is off the bottom of my screen...) > > About level with the bottom of the 5th input line (saying "Sort results > by:"), look to the right and then immediately to the left of the pale green > stack of links to other searches, is the text "census reference search". > > Small font, of course because why should a third search option be given any > major visibility? > > There is another way there - the overall screen "Census, land & survey > records" has the link in the paragraph "If you have precise references for > the page you want to view, you can go directly to that page with our census > reference search." But again it looks no more significant than a "Here's > some jolly background info" link. > > Adrian B> Please see my reply to Norman. It's perfectly simple to do the search! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> From: Norman Rowcroft <rowcroft@waitrose.com> > In the early days of my research I worked through microfilm records of the > 1851 census and transcribed Joseph Rowcroft (spelling may be slightly > different) aged 80 and born in Offerton.  He was located in the Stockport > workhouse.  The reference was HO 107/2156/843. > > I now want to check the image on FMP but cannot find him.  My next step was > to do a search using the census reference but, unless I am being a bit > dense, there is no way of doing this on FMP. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Norman > I don't see what your problem is Norman, it's really perfectly simple! 1) Go onto FMP, click on Census, Land & survey records and click on the 1851 census. I am assuming, BTW, that you have a subscription. 2) On the opening screen, instead of entering anything at all in any of the fields, go down to the link in the bottom right-hand corner entitled "census reference search" and click on it. I don't see how you can miss it. 3) In the next screen enter the 1851 census, the Piece Number 2156 and the folio number 843. It's not even necesary to enter the page number. CLICK! 4) Up comes 60 results including JOSEPH HOWCROFT on page 10. Click on RECORD VIEW and you will see the transcription and if you click on IMAGE VIEW you will see the actual record. The spelling may be HOWCROFT or ROWCROFT but you can check for yourself, it's debateable. The other way to get to it is to enter in the main search page "Joseph *croft" (wildcard), the birth year as 1771 plus or minus two years, the birth place as Offerton and do the search. Up comes Joseph again in an institution, the Stockport Union Workhouse. What could be easier? I suggest you go back and retry it. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Norman,   If you go to the census page where you have the option to search by name or address, look at the two paragraphs between the heading 'Census, land and survey records' and the blue bar with the column headings 'Census', 'Search', 'Pay as you Go' etc and click on the phrase "census reference search"    Hope you can make sense of that,   Joy     ________________________________ From: Norman Rowcroft <rowcroft@waitrose.com> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 16:49 Subject: [CHS] Rowcroft in 1851 census In the early days of my research I worked through microfilm records of the 1851 census and transcribed Joseph Rowcroft (spelling may be slightly different) aged 80 and born in Offerton.  He was located in the Stockport workhouse.  The reference was HO 107/2156/843. I now want to check the image on FMP but cannot find him.  My next step was to do a search using the census reference but, unless I am being a bit dense, there is no way of doing this on FMP. Any help would be much appreciated. Norman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> I now want to check the image on FMP but cannot find him. My next step was to do a search using the census reference but, unless I am being a bit dense, there is no way of doing this on FMP. <<snipped>> It's well hidden. (Pause for moan - FMP's User Interface design can be appalling - this isn't the first link that has been disguised as text...) Go to the basic (or advanced) Person search. There are something like 5 lines for input (on the basic search), then the "Less is more!" warning with the Search button below that. (Yes, Mr FMP designer, your Search button is off the bottom of my screen...) About level with the bottom of the 5th input line (saying "Sort results by:"), look to the right and then immediately to the left of the pale green stack of links to other searches, is the text "census reference search". Small font, of course because why should a third search option be given any major visibility? There is another way there - the overall screen "Census, land & survey records" has the link in the paragraph "If you have precise references for the page you want to view, you can go directly to that page with our census reference search." But again it looks no more significant than a "Here's some jolly background info" link. Adrian B

Norman, If it helps I have him on the 1851 census. In the Ancestry index he is ROWEROFT but the image is fairly clearly ROWCROFT and someone has submitted a correction to Ancestry . Maybe someone else has him on their submitted Ancestry tree. He was a widower, calico printer and he was in the workhouse as a "patient" rather than a "pauper". There is nothing else on the image other than what you already have. Do you want me to look him up in 1841? Eric Millward.

In the early days of my research I worked through microfilm records of the 1851 census and transcribed Joseph Rowcroft (spelling may be slightly different) aged 80 and born in Offerton. He was located in the Stockport workhouse. The reference was HO 107/2156/843. I now want to check the image on FMP but cannot find him. My next step was to do a search using the census reference but, unless I am being a bit dense, there is no way of doing this on FMP. Any help would be much appreciated. Norman

Hi Martin, When I first started work in the 1970's I worked for the MoD pay office. One of the places I dealt with was the Army base at The Castle in Chester. At that time it was mostly the 22nd Cheshire Regiment, but the buildings were spread across the whole area around the Castle & Assize Courts. I've had a look at the 1911 map of Chester (on CD from FHSC) and the barracks are marked where the Regimental Museum is now. There is a Military Hospital across the road on the corner of Castle Street (Military House on Google street view). The Militia Barracks is also shown, on what is now Nicholas Street, opposite the magistrates court (that seems to be built on the site of an old graveyard). Hope this helps. Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 05/09/2013 23:02, Martin Briscoe wrote: > I managed to stop off in Chester today and I was wondering about where my > Great Grandmother was born. Her father was a soldier in the 68th Regiment > and in Chester from about the 1st April 1846, he went to Ireland in August > 1846 and died in February the following year. > > My Great Grandmother was born there in Jul 1846. > > I believe soldier's wives would often live in the barracks. > > The left hand building, now Regimental Museum of the Cheshire Regiment, is > show on maps from around the but not the other central and right hand > buildings. > > One map also shows a Military Hospital across the road where the present > Purslove & Brown building is, I believe this used to be known as something > like 'Army House'. Wondering if that is a Military Hospital from that > period though not sure whether they would take in a soldier's wife giving > birth. > > I wonder if anyone knows anything about these buildings, not hugely > important but interesting to be able to place events like that. > > There is the Militia Barracks across the other side of the modern roundabout > but he was in the regular army - I notice there is an old stone wall which > looks as if it might have been part of the barracks. > > > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I managed to stop off in Chester today and I was wondering about where my Great Grandmother was born. Her father was a soldier in the 68th Regiment and in Chester from about the 1st April 1846, he went to Ireland in August 1846 and died in February the following year. My Great Grandmother was born there in Jul 1846. I believe soldier's wives would often live in the barracks. The left hand building, now Regimental Museum of the Cheshire Regiment, is show on maps from around the but not the other central and right hand buildings. One map also shows a Military Hospital across the road where the present Purslove & Brown building is, I believe this used to be known as something like 'Army House'. Wondering if that is a Military Hospital from that period though not sure whether they would take in a soldier's wife giving birth. I wonder if anyone knows anything about these buildings, not hugely important but interesting to be able to place events like that. There is the Militia Barracks across the other side of the modern roundabout but he was in the regular army - I notice there is an old stone wall which looks as if it might have been part of the barracks. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD: ------------------ Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire. Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated to add: Marriages: 124 for Egremont, St Columba, registers at Wirral (1946-1971) 34 for Seacombe, Methodist Church (Poulton Road), registers at Wirral (1935-1941) 6 for Moreton, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Moreton Chapel, registers at Wirral (2002-2005) 857 for Wallasey, Civil Marriage, registers at Wirral (1951-1953) 813 for Wirral, Civil Marriage, registers at Wirral (1952-1957) 28 for Droylsden, St Martin, registers at Tameside (2004-2011) Many thanks to Helen Gill, Bob Kirk and their respective colleagues for these. ----------------- forwarded by: Bob Kirk Dukinfield Cheshire www.Kirksoft.me.uk http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk

 Would anyone be researching the following names in the Sandbach, Northwich and  Knutsford area of Cheshire ?  SMITH, BROADY, SENIOR, PARSONAGE  Taa, and my regards    Mike Morris  Toronto Canada

Would anyone be researching the following names in the Sandbach, Northwich and Knutsford area of Cheshire ? SMITH, BROADY, SENIOR, PARSONAGE Taa, and my regards   Mike Morris Toronto Canada

About age at death - Can you work back from the year of marriage to approximate the date of birth? Most brides were 18-21, most grooms 21-25. Of course there were exceptions at both ends of the bell curve. In 1887 in Norfolk, Karenhappuch Brown was 38 when she married William Chapman aged 22. And there must have been occasions when an older man got a very young girl pregnant and her family forced a "shotgun wedding." And widows and widowers married each other, or widowers married younger women and had children by them. Here's another way to guesstimate age: When were the first and last child born to the woman whose year of birth you are trying to estimate? The mother was probably about 18-22 when the first child was born and no more than 48, probably much younger, when the last child was born. Good luck, Sonia in the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cheshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:01 AM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 Today's Topics: 1. Question of age at death (juliet) 2. Re: Question of age at death (Adrian Bruce) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:19:33 +0100 From: "juliet" <juliet22@btopenworld.com> Subject: [CHS] Question of age at death To: <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <56F968BD7CF74C66A0C7688A3F130F63@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi everybody, As we all know the ages quoted on censuses can be all over the place and the ones on a death cert also do not always simplify things. If an elderly person?s relatives weren?t sure of their age at death (ie people born pre registration), do you think it would it be likely for them to refer to the baptism date to get their age? I am not sure if all baptism documents mentioned the actual date of birth, as they do not always in the registers. ie I have someone born in 1791 but they were not baptised until 1797. The age at death on one entry I have found agrees with the baptism date but none agree with the birth date, so I am wondering if this is the person I am looking for. The censuses were a mixture of the two! Thanks for your help. Juliet ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:46:30 +0100 From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> Subject: Re: [CHS] Question of age at death To: <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B7CA63D2DC4047668B4C5EC678341211@GalaxyChill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <<snipped>> I am not sure if all baptism documents mentioned the actual date of birth <<snipped>> Highly unusual for any baptisms from the 1790s to mention birth dates (Witton chapelry excepted, for one). Some parishes had barely accepted that the mother's name might be useful. <<snipped>> If an elderly person's relatives weren't sure of their age at death (ie people born pre registration), do you think it would it be likely for them to refer to the baptism date to get their age? <<snipped>> Personally, I'd be dubious about their ability to get to the baptism register. If you were called upon to register a death in the mid-1800s, there must be a distinct possibility that you wouldn't even realise you'd be asked the age of the deceased. So if you were asked in the course of the registration, would you really volunteer to trot off down to the church? Would the registrar think that a good use of his time? Or is it more likely that the registrar will say, "Well, roughly how old...?" And if you knew beforehand that age was a question to be asked, how likely are you go to the church beforehand, find the clerk and get him to open the parish chest and stand there while.... Or, again, are you likely to think, "Well, if I don't know, who's going to know better?" And do a best guess.... All of this is a guess on **my** part - however, it's important to understand that most of our ancestors were nothing like as obsessed with paperwork and dates as we have become. So the fact that one candidate's age hits the years-from-baptism nail on the head is, I suggest, most likely to be simply coincidence. It might **not** be coincidence - but the only safe thing to do is assume that it is coincidence, and try and sort things out in other ways, such as looking at names of informants, and what happens to the other candidates, etc. Good luck... Adrian B ------------------------------ To contact the CHESHIRE list administrator, send an email to CHESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHESHIRE mailing list, send an email to CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 ****************************************