Hi Eric, I had a look on a 1910 map. Edward Street runs off the end of Greek Street, past the town hall, but I can't find a Sandy Brow. Was it perhaps a local name for a street with a different formal name? There are a couple of Brows over to the east of Lower & Middle Hillgate - Lavender Brow & Gorsey Brow. Perhaps this would be the area, but just not shown on the map I have. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 20/10/2013 17:41, Eric Millward wrote: > 84 years in Stockport and I do not know where Sandy Brow was/is! From a > local history book I learn it was not far from Edward Street and the > name Brow suggests a steep hill as in Meal House Brow and Rostron's Brow > down from the Market Place in the town. (My mother pronounced it as > Brew). I also know it was the scene of violent demonstrations in 1819 > about the parliamentary vote prior to the Peterloo massacre. But where > was it exactly? > > Thanks for any help. > > Eric Millward > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6766 - Release Date: 10/20/13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

84 years in Stockport and I do not know where Sandy Brow was/is! From a local history book I learn it was not far from Edward Street and the name Brow suggests a steep hill as in Meal House Brow and Rostron's Brow down from the Market Place in the town. (My mother pronounced it as Brew). I also know it was the scene of violent demonstrations in 1819 about the parliamentary vote prior to the Peterloo massacre. But where was it exactly? Thanks for any help. Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6766 - Release Date: 10/20/13

I have Fox ancestors in Barthomley,Haslington,and Oakhanger. Harriet,1828-1906,m. Wm. Moors John,1794-1866,m. Hannah Bradshaw Acton,1743-1829,m. Frances Walker Alexander,b abt1705,m. Mary Poole Norris Burdette Minnesota,USA -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:39 AM To: SEND MAIL CHESHIRE Subject: [CHS] ROLL CALL BROADY, FOX, HALL, HIBBERT, HUNT, PARSONAGE,SENIOR, SMITH, RUBOTTOM. All my best in your own search, Mike Morris Toronto Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley, I am inclined to disbelieve the gravestone in this case. You may well be right that it was replaced or perhaps it is just unreadable and wrong guesses have been made. Joshua was baptized in Gawsworth. He was married, that is a possibility but it doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the burial records. Thanks for the ideas. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Baxendale Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:28 PM To: Christine Benson ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Marking on parish burial register Hi Christine, I wonder if the gravestone was replaced when John Slater was buried? That could explain the discrepancies between the MI & the other records. Have you found a baptism for Joshua? Perhaps the 'M' could indicate where he was baptised, or even simply that he was a married man. Regards Lesley

Hi Christine You are correct – my eyes have deceived me as I didn’t blow up the image sufficiently. The entry in the parish register reads: '---- 24 Joshua Whittaker, Furnace Pool M' Put ‘Furnace Pool Macclesfield’ into Google Maps and you will see the actual farm. Google ‘Marton Cheshire Genuki’ and the parishes will be explained. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Benson To: Ruth J ; Cheshire Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Marking on parish burial register Hi Ruth and All, Many thanks for your reply, Ruth. I am also looking at FMP. Looking at it again with the suggestions you have given I now believe the character to be “M”, at least in the man I am looking at. It compares well with other “M”s, such as in “March” but no sign of an “a” that I can see. It would seem that in most cases children are identified by their parent’s names, wives are identified by their husband’s names and men are identified by location. However, Joshua’s will says he was “of Gawsworth”, he was buried in Gawsworth, his MI says “of the Furness Pool, in Gawsworth and Furnace Pool farm is in Gawsworth. So why, in a Gawsworth burial, should it indicate “M” which could maybe be Macclesfield or Marton, but doesn’t seem like Gawsworth or Furnace Pool? Mystified! Christine From: Ruth J Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:45 AM To: Cheshire ; christinebenson313@btinternet.com Subject: Marking on parish burial register Hi Christine FMP shows the letters clearly to be 'Ma'. This could be an abbreviation for a place. The writer is not always consistent. Sometimes he uses 'M' sometimes 'Ma' sometimes 'Macc' sometimes the whole word 'Macclesfield'. Just to add to possibilities there is a also township of MARTON a few miles from Gawsworth which 'Ma' could represent. So maybe he is consistent. He uses N.R. for North Rode so no problem there! Ruth

Hi Christine, I wonder if the gravestone was replaced when John Slater was buried? That could explain the discrepancies between the MI & the other records. Have you found a baptism for Joshua? Perhaps the 'M' could indicate where he was baptised, or even simply that he was a married man. Regards Lesley On 20/10/2013 14:35, Christine Benson wrote: > Hi Lesley, > > Many thanks for your reply. Your idea was a good one but it now appears > that the character is an "M" and in other cases there is an indication > after men's names as to where they lived. However Joshua lived in > Gawsworth, appears to have done all his life, so I cannot see why there > should be an "M". > > I have the Gawsworth MI's. It is interesting that according to the MI > Joshua died on 10 March, according to his will he died on 21 March and > he was buried on 24 March. And in the case of his wife she was buried 3 > days before she died! > > Thanks again, > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Baxendale > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:21 AM > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Marking on parish burial register > > Hi Christine, > > Here's the MI for Joshua at Gawsworth: > > Grave 473 - "Here lieth the body of JOSHUA WHITTAKER of Furness Pool, in > Gawsworth who departed this life March 10 1807 aged 75 years Likewise > MARTHA the wife of the above named JOSHUA WHITTAKER who departed this > life March 18 1808 aged 86 years Also JOHN SLATER who departed this > life March 8 1854 aged 75 years" > > Could the mark be an 'N' possibly signifying a newly dug grave? Joshua > seems to be the first to be buried in this one. > > If you give me a couple of the other burials you found with similar > markings against them, I'll see if there are any MI's. > > Regards > > Lesley Baxendale > Colwyn Bay > > > > On 19/10/2013 23:20, Christine Benson wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I am looking at the parish register for Joshua Whittaker buried 24 Mar >> 1807 >> Gawsworth. After the entry it has a letter that looks like "U" or "N" or >> possibly "H". It seems to have the same marker against several adult >> males. >> Does anyone know what this means. >> >> TIA >> >> Christine >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Lesley, Many thanks for your reply. Your idea was a good one but it now appears that the character is an "M" and in other cases there is an indication after men's names as to where they lived. However Joshua lived in Gawsworth, appears to have done all his life, so I cannot see why there should be an "M". I have the Gawsworth MI's. It is interesting that according to the MI Joshua died on 10 March, according to his will he died on 21 March and he was buried on 24 March. And in the case of his wife she was buried 3 days before she died! Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Baxendale Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:21 AM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Marking on parish burial register Hi Christine, Here's the MI for Joshua at Gawsworth: Grave 473 - "Here lieth the body of JOSHUA WHITTAKER of Furness Pool, in Gawsworth who departed this life March 10 1807 aged 75 years Likewise MARTHA the wife of the above named JOSHUA WHITTAKER who departed this life March 18 1808 aged 86 years Also JOHN SLATER who departed this life March 8 1854 aged 75 years" Could the mark be an 'N' possibly signifying a newly dug grave? Joshua seems to be the first to be buried in this one. If you give me a couple of the other burials you found with similar markings against them, I'll see if there are any MI's. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 19/10/2013 23:20, Christine Benson wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking at the parish register for Joshua Whittaker buried 24 Mar > 1807 > Gawsworth. After the entry it has a letter that looks like "U" or "N" or > possibly "H". It seems to have the same marker against several adult > males. > Does anyone know what this means. > > TIA > > Christine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth and All, Many thanks for your reply, Ruth. I am also looking at FMP. Looking at it again with the suggestions you have given I now believe the character to be “M”, at least in the man I am looking at. It compares well with other “M”s, such as in “March” but no sign of an “a” that I can see. It would seem that in most cases children are identified by their parent’s names, wives are identified by their husband’s names and men are identified by location. However, Joshua’s will says he was “of Gawsworth”, he was buried in Gawsworth, his MI says “of the Furness Pool, in Gawsworth and Furnace Pool farm is in Gawsworth. So why, in a Gawsworth burial, should it indicate “M” which could maybe be Macclesfield or Marton, but doesn’t seem like Gawsworth or Furnace Pool? Mystified! Christine From: Ruth J Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:45 AM To: Cheshire ; christinebenson313@btinternet.com Subject: Marking on parish burial register Hi Christine FMP shows the letters clearly to be 'Ma'. This could be an abbreviation for a place. The writer is not always consistent. Sometimes he uses 'M' sometimes 'Ma' sometimes 'Macc' sometimes the whole word 'Macclesfield'. Just to add to possibilities there is a also township of MARTON a few miles from Gawsworth which 'Ma' could represent. So maybe he is consistent. He uses N.R. for North Rode so no problem there! Ruth

Hi Eric Following the line of Edward street to the east and you will come to Gorsey Brow running almost in a south direction. Just across this and inline with Edward was a Sandpit. It was so big they put it on the map. My thinking is Sandy Brow was related to that area a short distance from Edward. I have sent you a copy of this map dated around 1894. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Eric Millward <bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk> >To: Cheshire List <cheshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:41:41 PM >Subject: [CHS] Sandy Brow, Stockport > >84 years in Stockport and I do not know where Sandy Brow was/is! From a >local history book I learn it was not far from Edward Street <snip> >

A map dated 1894 does not show it. But you can see all the surrounding streets bordering on Edward. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Lesley Baxendale <tree.dovercourt17@googlemail.com> >To: cheshire@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:46:24 PM > >I had a look on a 1910 map.  Edward Street runs off the end of Greek >Street, past the town hall, but I can't find a Sandy Brow.  <snip> > >

Hi Christine FMP shows the letters clearly to be 'Ma'. This could be an abbreviation for a place. The writer is not always consistent. Sometimes he uses 'M' sometimes 'Ma' sometimes 'Macc' sometimes the whole word 'Macclesfield'. Just to add to possibilities there is a also township of MARTON a few miles from Gawsworth which 'Ma' could represent. So maybe he is consistent. He uses N.R. for North Rode so no problem there! Ruth

Hi Christine, Here's the MI for Joshua at Gawsworth: Grave 473 - "Here lieth the body of JOSHUA WHITTAKER of Furness Pool, in Gawsworth who departed this life March 10 1807 aged 75 years Likewise MARTHA the wife of the above named JOSHUA WHITTAKER who departed this life March 18 1808 aged 86 years Also JOHN SLATER who departed this life March 8 1854 aged 75 years" Could the mark be an 'N' possibly signifying a newly dug grave? Joshua seems to be the first to be buried in this one. If you give me a couple of the other burials you found with similar markings against them, I'll see if there are any MI's. Regards Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 19/10/2013 23:20, Christine Benson wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking at the parish register for Joshua Whittaker buried 24 Mar 1807 > Gawsworth. After the entry it has a letter that looks like "U" or "N" or > possibly "H". It seems to have the same marker against several adult males. > Does anyone know what this means. > > TIA > > Christine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I am looking at the parish register for Joshua Whittaker buried 24 Mar 1807 Gawsworth. After the entry it has a letter that looks like "U" or "N" or possibly "H". It seems to have the same marker against several adult males. Does anyone know what this means. TIA Christine

Hello Anne,   On the 1871 census Abraham gives a birthplace of Flash, Staffs. and there are a cluster of Goodwins living at Flash in 1851 including a Solomon Goodwin aged 72 with wife Rebecca aged 66.   Flash is in the parish of Quarnford and there are a lot of Goodwin baptisms there including an Abraham Goodwin, son of Alice Goodwin 13 Jan 1851: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JW4L-BQ7   On the 1851 census there is an Alice Goodwin aged 27 (dau) and Abraham Goodwin aged 7 mths (grandson) living with Thomas and Martha Goodwin at Turn Edge Quarnford.  Also in the household is Sarah Goodwin aged 5 (dau) and an interesting coincidence is that in 1871 there is a Sarah Goodwin aged 25 born Quarnford, Staffs also living at Wincle.   According to Wikipedia, Flash was an early centre for Wesleyanism so maybe the baptism took place in the Wesleyan chapel and will not appear in Parish records. As someone has already said, are there any clues from the marriage witnesses?   Don't assume because their surnames are different that they are not related, it might be a married sister or if Abraham's mother married he might have half siblings.  I also noticed that Abraham gave one of his children a middle name Fisher and another Balfour.  Do these names appear in his wife's family or could they be a clue to Goodwin relatives? Also, have you tried finding all the possible Abraham Goodwins in 1861 and eliminating them on the 1871 census? Regrads, Joy ________________________________ From: Anne Balejka-Hutton avbh@hotmail.co.uk  To: "CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com" <cheshire-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 12:48 Subject: [CHS] Searching for Abraham Goodwin of Wincle Cheshire I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle.  I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. Kind regards Anna Hutton                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anna, I checked the marriages for Abraham GOODWIN and the man I quoted in my previous email was married to Naomi MILNES on 31 Dec 1888 in St Peter's Macclesfield. He was 36, a bachelor, Labourer, of 16 Taber Street, (Mother's name) Mary Goodwin, Father's name blank . He signs his name. Does this information match yours? Ruth

Hi Anna, I've had a quick look at FMP for Abraham & there are only two baptisms coming up within 5 years of 1851 in the right general area. Abraham Goodwin, bap 7 Feb 1846, father Abraham (a Publican), mother Mary, baptised in the Chapelry of Rainow. Abraham Goodwin, bap 4 May 1854 (born 8 Sep 1852) no father given, mother Mary, baptised in St Peter's Macclesfield. Mary had two children baptised on the same day & is listed as a Single Woman. The other child was Sarah, born 18 Jan 1849. The St Peter's baptism looks the most likely. Perhaps along the way, Abraham found out that his father was a farmer called Solomon, but he probably wouldn't have been a Goodwin. I found this family on the 1851 census. Wincle is on the edge of Macclesfield Forest. 1851 census transcription details for: Standing Stone, Macclesfield Forest National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2159 Folio: 103 Page: 3 Reg. District: Macclesfield Sub District: Rainow Parish: Macclesfield Forest Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Standing Stone, Macclesfield Forest County: Cheshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GOODWIN, Abraham Head Married M 59 1792 Farmer Quarnford, Staffordshire GOODWIN, Hannah Wife Married F 62 1789 Farmers Wife Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 26 1825 Farmers Daughter At Home Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 23 1828 Farmers Daughter At Home Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 21 1830 Farmer House Servant Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, John Grand Son M 5 1846 Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Lucy Grand Daughter F 1 1850 Macclesfield Forest GOODWIN, Sarah A Grand Daughter F 1 1850 Wildboarclough, Cheshire © Reproduced courtesy of The National Archives, London, England Looks likely that Sarah & Abraham were the illegitimate children of Mary Ann, who's father was Abraham. Hope this helps. Lesley Baxendale Colwyn Bay On 14/10/2013 12:48, Anne Balejka-Hutton wrote: > I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. > > In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. > > > > In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. > > > > On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. > > > > I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle. I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Anna Hutton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Hi Anna Findmypast has 3 GOODWIN baptisms registered in St Peter's Macclesfield on 4 May 1854. They are for Sarah born 18 Jan 1849 and Abraham born 8 Sept 1852. Mother's name is Mary and she is a single woman from Waterhouses. The third child is John whose parents are Thomas and Ann GOODWIN. Thomas is a Labourer from Waterhouses. Wincle is a township in Prestbury parish in the Macclesfield Hundred. So that information you cite on the censuses ties in. Waterhouses, although I can't find it on a modern map, was in the Bollington/Macclesfield area if my memory serves me right. I can remember my parents mentioning it. They were farming before the Second World War in Rowarth near New Mills on the Cheshire/Derbyshire border. I suspect it was a cluster of outlying cottages - there is a Waterhouse Avenue in Bollington today which may be a trace. Maybe someone else on the List may know more; it's just a suggestion. A number of GOODWIN families baptising children in the 1845-55s are showing in the FMP records where you can view the original registers. Ruth

Hello Anna I've had a look at the 1851 Census and in Leek, Staffordshire there were 2 Solomon Goodwins living at this time over the age of 21, one aged 72 and the 34, both married. It is not unknown for an uncle or grandfather's name to be used when no father is known, so it may be worth checking the wider family of the Solomon aged 72 to see if any daughters, grand-daughters had a child with the view to perhaps that Abraham was brought up within the family unit. It's also not unknown for the wrong name to be used on the marriage entry! There is a baptism in Quarnford, Staffs 11 JAN 1852 (family search) father Benjamin and another 9 FEB 1851 father Abraham - there's a feel for biblical names here, and another 2 JUN 1850, so not an uncommon name in this district. Can you get anything from the witnesses at the wedding, were they family members? and if you'd like to give the name of his wife then we can take a look at the appropriate census to compare the information. kind regards, Elaine. Subject: [CHS] Searching for Abraham Goodwin of Wincle Cheshire I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle. I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. Kind regards Anna Hutton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am undertaking my family tree and have a census record for Abraham Goodwin 1911 aged 60 which says states he was born in Wincle Cheshire which would mean in approx 1851. He was then living in the Manchester area. In the 1901 census it says he was born in Leek Staffs (this is the same man with the same family) and in the 1881 census it says he was born in Macclesfield. In the 1871 census it says he was living at the Ship Inn Danebridge Wincle aged 18 as a servant - he was a groom/ostle/horse dealer after his marriage. On his marriage record - I have the actual certificate it says he names his father as Solomon Goodwin farmer. I cannot find records for any Solomon Goodwin who had a son called Abraham around this time and wonder if you can help as I see from the Wincle website that you have written a book on the 1841 census for Wincle. I am wondering if there are any more Goodwin especially Solomon there unless Abraham was illegitimiate or if you can point me in the right direction. Kind regards Anna Hutton

Well, well, well................I have just received the birth certificate for Ida Jane JONES. Ida Jane born 13 March 1904, 2 Thomas Street, Birkenhead. Father Henry JONES, Teamowner. Mother Fanny JONES, late REED, formerly MASON. Well done Joy. The Henry JONES marriage to Fanny REED in 1896 is right on. Eric, you were right about the children being dispersed to separate homes because of deaths of a parent. In further conversation with Ida Jane's grandson he said his grandmother never really forgave her father for separating her from her siblings, Nora May and Bill after the death of their mother. So this opens up a lot more research for me. I'll get Frances Jane MASONS birth cert now. At least I believe I am on the right track. Thank you to everyone who gave me this boost in the right direction. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Joy Langdon To: Margaret Cambridge ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] Surname JONES Hello Margaret, Further to Eric's information, Henry JONES and Fanny REED are listed on FreeBMD Marriages Birkenhead Mar 1903 and in 1896 a Fanny MASON and an Edmund REED are listed on Birkenhead district marriages Jun 1896. You mention Ida Jane but the baptism shows Ida Mary and there is an Ida Mary JONES aged 7 born Birkenhead described as neice living with John EVANS born Capenhurst , Martha EVANS born Great Sutton and family at The Green, Great Sutton near Chester in 1911. Also with them is Henry JONES, nephew, aged 3 born New Ferry, Cheshire. Just to help confirm that this is possibly the correct Ida Mary, John and Martha said they had been married 18 years and the marriage index on FreeBMD for Wirral 1892 do include a John EVANS and Martha MASON in the list. Joy