If the 1901 Census entry is correct - it is written in a legible hand and is very clear - Henry Jones mother-in-law is definitely Mary A HOWARD. Henry's wife is definitely MAY not MARY. Henry's age is given as 52 which tallies with the 1881 and 1891 Censuses. The marriage between Henry JONES and Mary HOWARTH uses different names (although admittedly close) for his wife and an age difference of some 10 years for Henry. FMP doesn't give any further sightings of Henry or of any member of his second family, and a new family altogether are living at his 1901 address in 1911. This isn't helpful to you. So ... Have you considered: 1. Emigration? 2. The couple not being formally married? 3. The couple being 'married' in a non-established venue? As Henry was a widower they would have had to have had a licence (I think) but there's no evidence of one. 4. May HOWARD still married to someone else from whom she has separated? 5. May HOWARD being a widow herself - therefore her (1st) married name will be unknown. That's my lot - but I don't have access to Ancestry! So who knows . Ruth

Forenames:Henry Surname:Jones Marriage Date:18 Jan 1892 Marriage Year:1892 Age:32y Spouse's Forenames:Mary Spouse's Surname:Howarth Spouse's Age:23y Spouse's Father's Name:Charles Howarth Parish:Christ Church City / Town:Claughton cum Grange County:Cheshire -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 19 November 2013 12:16 To: Ruth J; Cheshire Subject: Re: [CHS] JONES of Birkenhead Further to Ruth's reply, I think this is the marriage: Mar 1892 Birkenhead Henry Jones and Mary Howarth.  On the 1911 census one of the children is Stanley Howat Jones.   Obtaining the certificate will give Henry's father's name and occupation which might help to trace him before 1881.   Regards,   Joy ________________________________ From: Ruth J <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> To: Cheshire <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 10:10 Subject: [CHS] JONES of Birkenhead If you were to obtain the marriage certificate of Henry JONES and May HOWARD (see 1901 mother-in-law listed) there might be a little more information on that for you to work with.  The marriage would have taken place sometime between 1891 and 1893. Hope this helps. Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to Ruth's reply, I think this is the marriage: Mar 1892 Birkenhead Henry Jones and Mary Howarth.  On the 1911 census one of the children is Stanley Howat Jones.   Obtaining the certificate will give Henry's father's name and occupation which might help to trace him before 1881.   Regards,   Joy ________________________________ From: Ruth J <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> To: Cheshire <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 10:10 Subject: [CHS] JONES of Birkenhead If you were to obtain the marriage certificate of Henry JONES and May HOWARD (see 1901 mother-in-law listed) there might be a little more information on that for you to work with.  The marriage would have taken place sometime between 1891 and 1893. Hope this helps. Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you were to obtain the marriage certificate of Henry JONES and May HOWARD (see 1901 mother-in-law listed) there might be a little more information on that for you to work with. The marriage would have taken place sometime between 1891 and 1893. Hope this helps. Ruth

My great grand aunt *Elizabeth* *Lightfoot* was born 17/01/1844 in Barnton and was baptised on 03/03/1844 at Christ Church Barnton. Her parents were *Ashton Lightfoot & Mary (Hickson)* The Baptism Record appears to show her parents as Ashton & Martha (actually a distant cousin & his wife) but close examination suggests this was originally shown as Ashton & Mary. At the 1851 Census Elizabeth is living in Barnton with her now widowed father. By 1861 she's a servant in Liverpool. In 1869 she was a witness at her sister Sarah’s wedding to Aaron Owen in Irlam Lancashire & in 1871 is a Cook in Chorlton Manchester. After that she disappears & although there is a possible wedding in Chorlton later in 1871 but following through to the 1881 Census makes a match unlikely and I'm not inclined to get a certificate at this stage. An Australian contact has suggested that Elizabeth married William Henry Buley (an American) in London in 1871 before emigrating to Australia arriving in January 1872 on the ship 'Hawkesbury'. I cannot find evidence of either occasion. William died shortly thereafter & Elizabeth married David Lewis 13/10/1877. A number of children followed - all available on Australian BMDs. Elizabeth's death record in 1919 shows her father was named Ashton. There are a number of public trees on Ancestry showing some or all of this information but the owners seem reluctant to respond to my queries. Some of Elizabeth's information on these trees is patently wrong. Many show her born in Adlington, Macclesfield in 1848 with the source Free BMD from Great Boughton, Chester. Some knowledge of the geography of Cheshire is lacking! You will gather that this is a bit of a brick wall with me & I'd be delighted to hear from anyone with relevant information or who can point me in a new direction. Thanking those who have already contributed to this enquiry. Bob Owen Nottinghamshire

I could sure use another pair of eyes to help sort me out if someone enjoys a challenge. Henry JONES, a Team owner, born about 1850 Birkenhead, married Mary ? and had 3 sons William, b abt 1871, Henry, b abt 1874, and John, b abt 1875 all born Birkenhead. In the 1881 census Henry is a Marine Store Dealer and his 3 sons are in the home in Birkenhead. In 1891 Henry is a widower, Team Owner. and his 3 sons are living with him in Birkenhead. In 1901 the 3 sons William, 30, Henry, 27, and John, 25, are found living in Birkenhead with their grandmother Eliza JONES who is a 75 year old widow, Seamstress, born Ireland. Also in the home are 2 of her sons, Edward and George. In 1901 I find who I believe may be Henry, Sr., 52, team owner, b Birkenhead with a second wife Mary or May and 3 more children, Victor, Stanley and Catherine. I have found the grandmother Eliza JONES in 1881 living at 2 Swan Court, Birkenhead, a widow, 55, born Ireland. Living with her are Edward and George. Also in 1891 with her son George but now she says she is born in Birkenhead.......so this may be the wrong Eliza. I am unable to find Henry JONES, b abt 1850 or Eliza JONES, abt 1826 before 1881. Having the name JONES certainly creates a challenge. Thank you for any assistance anyone can give. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hi Colin, Marriages listed are... 1944 Mar - Herbert COWAN m Marjorie D COWSILL in Pershore, Worcestershire. 1944 Sep - Herbert H COWAN m Gladys E MIDDLETON in Surrey 1947 Dec - Harold COWSILL m Amy NASH Bucklow, in Cheshire (only one registered for Amy NASH in the UK 1947) 1901 Census for Amy NASH William Nash 30 Harriet Nash 30 Willie Nash 10 Harriet Nash 7 Charlie Nash 5 Walter Nash 2 Amy Nash 6 Weeks 1911 Census for Amy NASH William Henry Nash 42 Harriet Elizabeth Nash 42 William Henry Nash 20 Harriet Elizabeth Nash 17 Charles Nash 15 James Walter Nash 12 Amy Nash 10 Daisy Nash 5 Registered Birth for.. Amy NASH (Listed in Free BDM) Mar 1901 Islington I would be suprised if this Amy NASH was the same one that married in 1947. She would be 46yrs. Rather old to marry. There is another Amy NASH listed that married in 1923 in Islington which would be a better age time frame and location for the one that married Harold COWSILL. Better post us some information that you are sure about and work back from that. HTH David -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colin Harrison Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2013 6:42 a.m. To: Cheshire Subject: [CHS] Amy MASH May I please request help. I am confused about a lady called Amy NASH who married Howard COWSILL in 1947 in Altrincham. I believe she was born in 1901 in Islington, London, but am uncertain. Then who is the Amy NASH that married Herbert COWAN in 1947 in Altrincham ? And could that be the Herbert COWAN who married Marjorie Doreen COWSILL in 1944 in Preshore, Worcestershire ? Obviously, I am confused and most sincerely would appreciate any help. Colin Harrison ---in southwest Utah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers, Anyone with interests in these areas should not miss Mike Royden's excellent website www.roydenhistory.co.uk Well worth a visit. Regards, Lyn

Hi Colin What is your source for a marriage between Herbert Cowan and Amy Nash in 1947? It doesn't show in the GRO Index. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Colin Harrison Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:41 AM To: Cheshire Subject: [CHS] Amy MASH May I please request help. I am confused about a lady called Amy NASH who married Howard COWSILL in 1947 in Altrincham. I believe she was born in 1901 in Islington, London, but am uncertain. Then who is the Amy NASH that married Herbert COWAN in 1947 in Altrincham ? And could that be the Herbert COWAN who married Marjorie Doreen COWSILL in 1944 in Preshore, Worcestershire ? Obviously, I am confused and most sincerely would appreciate any help. Colin Harrison ---in southwest Utah

Title should have been Amy NASH. Colin Harrison

May I please request help. I am confused about a lady called Amy NASH who married Howard COWSILL in 1947 in Altrincham. I believe she was born in 1901 in Islington, London, but am uncertain. Then who is the Amy NASH that married Herbert COWAN in 1947 in Altrincham ? And could that be the Herbert COWAN who married Marjorie Doreen COWSILL in 1944 in Preshore, Worcestershire ? Obviously, I am confused and most sincerely would appreciate any help. Colin Harrison ---in southwest Utah

Remembering Lance Bombardier Ernest Clarke Royal Field Artillery, died Sunday 3rd November 1918 aged 24. Son of Thomas George William and Sarah Clarke of Marsh Lane Nantwich.

The Jewellery Quarter Research Group in Birmingham have put the burials at two cemeteries on line. www.jqrg.org Found one of 'mine' at Warstone Lane Cemetery. The other is Key Hill. Regards, Lyn

I don't know if it was the same in Ireland but in England and Wales a Recorder was a magistrate or judge (see wikipedia entry below).   I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder_(judge)   Joy  ________________________________ From: Gilbert Murray <happyman70@cableone.net> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2013, 15:00 Subject: Re: [CHS] CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 222 Re: Henry Dowdall was the Recorder of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689 - I'm assuming the Recorder was a Keeper of Records?  Does anyone know if there were Recorders for other counties in Ireland in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, and where the records they kept might be found?  Thanks, Sonia Murray

Hi Sonia, Hopefully some of the following will be of some help. Ireland was evidently the same as in England as Joy stated. To qualify for Town Recorder the requirement was at least 6 years experience as a barrister, I am not sure when that requirement started. Henry Dowdall was a lawyer and as Recorder of Drogheda acted as a judge (magistrate). The Town Recorder was one of the leading officials of the town and in that capacity he gave the welcoming speech to James II in 1689 when he arrived in Drogheda. Unforunately Irish records are scarce and civil registration did not start as early as it did in England. Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1864. Civil Registration for Protestant marriages began in 1845. Births, marriages and deaths were registered with district registrars. You can go to the following website for information about the Civil Registration records. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland_Civil_Registration If you know what town or townland your family came from you can also check church registers. Sadly most of the older records no longer exist. The largest collection of church registers is held by the Church of Ireland's Representative Church Body Library (RCBL) in Dublin. Some of the parish records date from 1619. They add more collections each year. as more parishes hand over their records for safekeeping. For Catholic Records you can contact the parish church. The Family History Centers have all the Civil Registration records on microfilm. They also have a lot of parish records on microfilm. St. Peter's R.C. Church in Drogheda has some older records, you can also check the National Library of Ireland and the National Archives of Ireland. PRONI (Public Records Office of Northern Ireland) has some excellent records available free of charge online. Most of Ireland's earlier census records were destroyed. The Griffith's Valuation of the mid 1800s (1848-1864) is valuable in locating families. It is not a census but it lists: Tenant name Immediate Lessor County Parish Town/Townland In some cases even a nickname The Griffith's Valuation was updated every few years and those records are called the Cancelled Land Books. When a tenant died or emigrated his or her name was crossed out and the new tenant's name was entered in red. Even though many records have been lost or destroyed there are many sources that can hopefully help locate some of your family history. You might find some family records in Betham's Abstracts of Prerogative Wills of Ireland. Google digitalizes books and records from all over the world. Luckily for me there are a lot of documents regarding the Dowdall family and I have found a wealth of information through the Google Books online. Several years ago I was told that I would never find the family of Venerable James Dowdall b. Drogheda d. August 13, 1599 in Exeter. Quite by accident I found the will of James' brother from 1581 which listed several family members. Please forgive the detour from the list's topic of Cheshire related questions. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Murray" <happyman70@cableone.net> To: <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 222 > Re: Henry Dowdall was the Recorder of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in > 1689 - I'm assuming the Recorder was a Keeper of Records? Does anyone > know > if there were Recorders for other counties in Ireland in the late 17th and > early 18th centuries, and where the records they kept might be found? > > Thanks, > Sonia Murray

Re: Henry Dowdall was the Recorder of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689 - I'm assuming the Recorder was a Keeper of Records? Does anyone know if there were Recorders for other counties in Ireland in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, and where the records they kept might be found? Thanks, Sonia Murray -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cheshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 AM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 222 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester (Mrs L. McCulloch) 2. Re: Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester (conaught2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:24:16 +0000 From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net>, cheshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52784578003BD801@smtpout11.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@smtpout11.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Margaret, a2a is the website for the National Archives. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ There are some interesting looking Dowdall refs. As I said it covers archives all over the country. Try Henry Dowdall and just Dowdall and see what comes up. Regards, Lyn At 19:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >Dear Lyn, > >Thank you for the information from the Treasury Calendar, British >History Online. Henry Dowdall's father Nicholas died in the 1660s and >his mother Katherine Plunkett remarried Lawrence Taafe. Dr. Taafe must >be a relative of his step-father. The record of the mortgage is very interesting. > >I am not familiar with a 2a, could you please let me know what this is >in reference to? You have provided some interesting information. > >Thank you, >Margaret > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> >To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:03 AM >Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I failed to spot it but there is a ref to Henry Dowdall in the > > Treasury Calendar which is online at British History Online. > > 'forfeited lands of Henry Dowdall mortgaged to Dr Taafe for 400 l > > (pounds)' dated March 1697 Regards, Lyn > > > > > > A > > t 01:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: > >>I am trying to locate records for Henry Dowdall in Chester. I have > >>a newspaper obituary of his death in 1748. Henry Dowdall was the > >>Recorder of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689. I just > >>learned that Civil Registration started in 1837. > >> > >>Is anyone on the list familiar with some type of records I could > >>search for Chester in the mid 1700s? I don't have an address in > >>Chester. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >>Thank you, > >>Margaret K. > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >>----- > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: > >>11/05/13 > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: >11/05/13 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:59:33 -0800 From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester To: <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9B91EEC1010840D1B322733416E20D0F@KristichPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Dear Lyn, Thank you for reminding me what a2a means. It has been several years since I checked for Dowdalls on the website. There have been some new additions that are quite interesting. One of the references mentions the Lancashire Records Office so I will write for one of the references that sounded quite interesting. Was it common to send a body back to Ireland for burial in the family plot? I know that in 1558 after the Archbishop of Armagh George Dowdall died his body was sent to Ireland and was buried in Termonfeckin. I wonder what the custom was in 1748. Thank you again for such great suggestions and sources. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net>; <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > Dear Margaret, > > a2a is the website for the National Archives. > > www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ > > > There are some interesting looking Dowdall refs. As I said it covers > archives all over the country. > > Try Henry Dowdall and just Dowdall and see what comes up. > > Regards, > > Lyn > > > At 19:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >>Dear Lyn, >> >>Thank you for the information from the Treasury Calendar, British History >>Online. Henry Dowdall's father Nicholas died in the 1660s and his mother >>Katherine Plunkett remarried Lawrence Taafe. Dr. Taafe must be a relative >>of his step-father. The record of the mortgage is very interesting. >> >>I am not familiar with a 2a, could you please let me know what this is in >>reference to? You have provided some interesting information. >> >>Thank you, >>Margaret >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> >>To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> >>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:03 AM >>Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester >> >> >> > Dear Margaret, >> > I failed to spot it but there is a ref to Henry Dowdall in the Treasury >> > Calendar which is online at British History Online. >> > 'forfeited lands of Henry Dowdall mortgaged to Dr Taafe for 400 l >> > (pounds)' dated March 1697 >> > Regards, >> > Lyn >> > >> > >> > A >> > t 01:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >> >>I am trying to locate records for Henry Dowdall in Chester. I have a >> >>newspaper obituary of his death in 1748. Henry Dowdall was the >> >>Recorder >> >>of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689. I just learned that Civil >> >>Registration started in 1837. >> >> >> >>Is anyone on the list familiar with some type of records I could search >> >>for Chester in the mid 1700s? I don't have an address in Chester. >> >>Any >> >>ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >>Thank you, >> >>Margaret K. >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >>----- >> >>No virus found in this message. >> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: >> >>11/05/13 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>----- >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: 11/05/13 > > > ------------------------------ To contact the CHESHIRE list administrator, send an email to CHESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Dear Margaret, a2a is the website for the National Archives. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ There are some interesting looking Dowdall refs. As I said it covers archives all over the country. Try Henry Dowdall and just Dowdall and see what comes up. Regards, Lyn At 19:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >Dear Lyn, > >Thank you for the information from the Treasury Calendar, British History >Online. Henry Dowdall's father Nicholas died in the 1660s and his mother >Katherine Plunkett remarried Lawrence Taafe. Dr. Taafe must be a relative >of his step-father. The record of the mortgage is very interesting. > >I am not familiar with a 2a, could you please let me know what this is in >reference to? You have provided some interesting information. > >Thank you, >Margaret > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> >To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:03 AM >Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I failed to spot it but there is a ref to Henry Dowdall in the Treasury > > Calendar which is online at British History Online. > > 'forfeited lands of Henry Dowdall mortgaged to Dr Taafe for 400 l > > (pounds)' dated March 1697 > > Regards, > > Lyn > > > > > > A > > t 01:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: > >>I am trying to locate records for Henry Dowdall in Chester. I have a > >>newspaper obituary of his death in 1748. Henry Dowdall was the Recorder > >>of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689. I just learned that Civil > >>Registration started in 1837. > >> > >>Is anyone on the list familiar with some type of records I could search > >>for Chester in the mid 1700s? I don't have an address in Chester. Any > >>ideas would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >>Thank you, > >>Margaret K. > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >>----- > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: 11/05/13 > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: 11/05/13

Dear Lyn, Thank you for reminding me what a2a means. It has been several years since I checked for Dowdalls on the website. There have been some new additions that are quite interesting. One of the references mentions the Lancashire Records Office so I will write for one of the references that sounded quite interesting. Was it common to send a body back to Ireland for burial in the family plot? I know that in 1558 after the Archbishop of Armagh George Dowdall died his body was sent to Ireland and was buried in Termonfeckin. I wonder what the custom was in 1748. Thank you again for such great suggestions and sources. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net>; <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > Dear Margaret, > > a2a is the website for the National Archives. > > www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ > > > There are some interesting looking Dowdall refs. As I said it covers > archives all over the country. > > Try Henry Dowdall and just Dowdall and see what comes up. > > Regards, > > Lyn > > > At 19:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >>Dear Lyn, >> >>Thank you for the information from the Treasury Calendar, British History >>Online. Henry Dowdall's father Nicholas died in the 1660s and his mother >>Katherine Plunkett remarried Lawrence Taafe. Dr. Taafe must be a relative >>of his step-father. The record of the mortgage is very interesting. >> >>I am not familiar with a 2a, could you please let me know what this is in >>reference to? You have provided some interesting information. >> >>Thank you, >>Margaret >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> >>To: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> >>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:03 AM >>Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester >> >> >> > Dear Margaret, >> > I failed to spot it but there is a ref to Henry Dowdall in the Treasury >> > Calendar which is online at British History Online. >> > 'forfeited lands of Henry Dowdall mortgaged to Dr Taafe for 400 l >> > (pounds)' dated March 1697 >> > Regards, >> > Lyn >> > >> > >> > A >> > t 01:10 07/11/2013, you wrote: >> >>I am trying to locate records for Henry Dowdall in Chester. I have a >> >>newspaper obituary of his death in 1748. Henry Dowdall was the >> >>Recorder >> >>of Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland in 1689. I just learned that Civil >> >>Registration started in 1837. >> >> >> >>Is anyone on the list familiar with some type of records I could search >> >>for Chester in the mid 1700s? I don't have an address in Chester. >> >>Any >> >>ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >>Thank you, >> >>Margaret K. >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >>----- >> >>No virus found in this message. >> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: >> >>11/05/13 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>----- >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6810 - Release Date: 11/05/13 > > >

According to the British History Online website "Until the 1750s there was no permanently resident priest in Chester, masses being said either by a gentleman's chaplain, typically from Hooton Hall in Wirral or the Fitzherberts' house" http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57320   Regards,   Joy ________________________________ From: conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2013, 19:03 Subject: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester Hi Joy, Thank you for your helpful suggestions.  I will look at Find My Past  transcripts and check spelling variations which there are many. I am trying to locate the names of the RC churches in Chester in 1748.  Do you know if St. Werburgh was built on the site of an older church on Queen Street?  Hopefully Henry's burial record still survives. Thank you again for your prompt response. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: Joy Langdon To: conaught2 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester Hello Margaret, Before 1837 deaths were recorded in parish burial records. However, if Henry was Roman Catholic he might not appear in the Church of England parish records (see link): http://archives.cheshire.gov.uk/what_we_hold/roman_catholics.aspx Find My Past have transcripts of the Cheshire Parish Registers and Henry's death does not appear but I did not try variations of spelling. Just as with the Irish records, not all records survive from that period of course and those that do survive aren't always legible. Joy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan, When I was browsing through old newspapers several years ago I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Henry's obituary. Previously I could only guess what year he was born. The obituary solved the mystery. I forgot to make a correction to the obituary. Henry Dowdall's wife was Lady Alice (Alison) Nuggent, daughter of the Earl of Westmeath not the Earl of Fingall. You have a wonderful list, thanks to all the suggestions and information I now have a better idea where to look. Thank you, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Birtles" <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> To: "'conaught2'" <conaught2@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > What a fantastic record to have on ones ancestry. Thank you for sharing > Henry's obit with the list. > Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Birtles" <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> To: "'conaught2'" <conaught2@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > What a fantastic record to have on ones ancestry. Thank you for sharing > Henry's obit with the list. > Joan > > > Hi Joy, > > What great information! No wonder I couldn't find a record of a RC church > in Chester in the 1740s. The article is very interesting. Many of the > Dowdalls in Ireland had their own family chaplain, including Henry's > family > while he was growing up. > > I don't know when Henry Dowdall moved to Chester. His wife Lady Alice > (nee > Nugent) died at Athcarne, County Meath in 1735. There has never been any > mention of children. The Dowdalls were originally a Norman family so > perhaps > he went to the Fitzherbert's house. From the obituary I assume it had > been > in Chester for some time. > > "On the 20th Instant died at Chester, Henry Dowdall, Esq; in the 95th > Year > of his Age. He was possessed of a plentiful Fortune in Ireland, and had > married a Daughter to the Earl of Fingall. He was Recorder of Drogheda > when > King James II, was in that City, whom he then addressed in a Speech, much > admired for its Elegancy and Liveliness of Expression. He was a perfect > Master of the Classics, and thoroughly versed in all polite Learning. As > he > was happy in a remarkable Memory, he retaine'd what he had read almost to > the last. His Vivacity, Humanity and Affability, rendered him loved and > respected by all his Acquaintances. He lived and died a Roman Catholic, > and > made an equitable Disposition of his Effects." > > > > Henry Dowdall wrote his family tree in 1687. I am trying to get a copy of > it. It would be interesting to find what led him to Chester in the 1740s. > > > > Thank you for all your helpful information. > > > > Margaret > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joy Langdon > To: conaught2 ; CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [CHS] Henry Dowdall's death in 1748 in Chester > > > According to the British History Online website "Until the 1750s there > was > no permanently resident priest in Chester, masses being said either by a > gentleman's chaplain, typically from Hooton Hall in Wirral or the > Fitzherberts' house" > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57320 > > Regards, > > Joy > > > >