Hello I am trying to obtain details of the uncle’s time in the army during WW2. I believe he was in the Grenadier Guards, but have no further information about him. I do not have his service number. He lived in Manchester and I have his birth certificate and death certificate. I wrote to the army records office in Glasgow. His date of birth was sufficient for them to search but I was informed that he was not in their records and my £30 cheque was returned. They said that records for the Guards regiments are stored in Wellington Barracks in London and that I should try there. Wellington Barracks told me that they cannot find a soldiers records without the service number and were not able suggest where I could find this. Has anyone had the same problem? If so was the problem solved? Regards Michael

Can someone help me find the parents of the following children. Ann Braddock 1829, John Braddock 1833 and James Braddock 1836 (according to the 1851 census they were living with their grandparents John and Margaret Braddock. They were also with them in the 1841 census. They were all born in Werneth, Cheshire according to census. The only records I can find for Werneth do not start until 1846. Grandparents were living in Hyde, stockport, Cheshire and are non conformists. They are not on these records either. Any help appreciated Regards Trish Essex

RE my BRUCKSHAW searches I am looking for the lady (Jane?) who was researching Fhinetta FLANAGAN of Stockport. We last spoke a few years ago and some interesting points have arisen. Please contact me if possible. Regards Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7154 - Release Date: 03/05/14

It sounds to me as if these children were in an orphanage run by the Sisters and not a convent per se. In the US children in orphanages seem to be listed only after they reach a certain age. Perhaps these children continued to be enumerated in the same city/town. I wonder if you have looked for a marriage for any of them. Or was this an orphanage where children could be adopted? If so, they could have been living under another surname in the next census. Lots of questions with no answers, I think. Jan > > 1. Re: Convents & Census (JANET WESTCOTT) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:50:14 +0000 (GMT) > From: JANET WESTCOTT <janet.westcott1@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census > To: Elaine Hanson <odessa@dsl.pipex.com>, Dick Coleman > <dickcoleman@btinternet.com>, "cheshire@rootsweb.com" > <cheshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1393854614.68522.YahooMailNeo@web87803.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks. This family has driven me mad for years. > Thomas Walsh b. 1819 Manchester died 1890 in Beswick, Manchester > Emma??? Walsh b? 1826 Nottingham > Children; Charlotte Walsh b.1854 Manchester. Never married but calls herself SMITH on the 1901 census but all previous ones she?? > ???????????????? is WALSH. > ????????????????Isabella Walsh b. 1867. Salford > ????????????????????????????????Children: Annie Walsh (My great grandmother) b.1893 d. 1947 > ????????????????????????????????????????????????Francis Joseph Walsh b. 1896 d. 1925 in accident at gas works. > ????????????????????????????????????????????????Mary Agnes Walsh b1900 d 1970 (in Convent.) > All 3 children were said to be illegitimate and their mother a mistress to a wealthy man. It was also said that Annie was put into an industrial school and Mary into a convent at the age of 5. No information on Francis other than he was in the merchant navy WW1. > ? > Janet > > > ________________________________ > From: Elaine Hanson <odessa@dsl.pipex.com> > To: JANET WESTCOTT <janet.westcott1@btinternet.com>; Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com>; cheshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 11:52 > Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census > > > Janet, > > Could you provide some details of parents and siblings, it > might help us search for you. > > regards, > Elaine. > > -----Original Message----- From: JANET WESTCOTT > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:53 AM > To: > Dick Coleman ; cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census > > Yes, > My great, great aunt Mary Agnes Walsh. Born 21st March 1900 at 23 Miners Row, Pendleton, Salford. > Died 10th January 1970 at Durran Hill House, (Convent) Carlisle. On the 1901 census the family are at 23 Minors Row but not Mary Agnes. > > > > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHESHIRE list administrator, send an email to > CHESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHESHIRE mailing list, send an email to CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHESHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 46 > ***************************************

Elaine, Mike and Martin Thank you very much for this it is appreciated. I am surprised that I missed this entry though but perhaps I had limited my recent searches to Cheshire. I see that there are actually two records - one under FONTER and the other under FOSTER. Martin has sent me a copy of the marriage which is under the name of FOSTER so I am presuming that the other record relates to a marriage license as it only gives the place name and not the church. Thank you Elaine for the information regarding John KAY's first wife. I wonder if it was a marriage of necessity given the age difference and the fact that I can't find any further children especially as there is only 4 months or so between the marriage and the birth of the daughter. John KAY was born in KNUTSFORD and the most likely contender at this stage for his parents are James KAY and Sarah FOXLEY who were married in 1785 at KNUTSFORD. The Liverpool connection must however be correct as it is recorded quite clearly in two separate records. I don't really know where to start with this one but perhaps I will leave this for later. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Hanson [mailto:odessa@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 12:18 a.m. To: Christine Tregonning; 'Cheshire' Subject: Re: [CHS] Auxiliary Registers - Witton Christine, No - it isn't how the register has been filmed, only how FMP have chosen to display it. The full entry Ellen KEY is dtr of John Key of Winsham(Wincham), Rockgetter (of James & Sarah Key) of Liverpool) and Mary (of Will'm & Mary Sothurn of Winsham) born 19 MAR 1808 bap 3 APR 1808. [transcribed from the microfilm of the parish registers] Familysearch has indexed a marriage of John Key to a Mary Southern 20 DEC 1807 at St Mary & All Saints, Great Budworth - if you have some credits left it might be useful to check the entry. Now, there's a marriage indexed on Familysearch at Manchester 16 FEB 1824 of a John Kay to an Ann FONTER, I think that there's a good possibility FONTER could be a mis-transcription of FOSTER (think of the old fashioned lower case "s" and "n"). It may be worth you looking at Lancashire, many Cheshire couples married at either Liverpool or Manchester in the big churches/cathedrals. I believe you would probably need to get access to Ancestry to try and get the details of this marriage, if you are U.K. based, then a Library would be the place to enquire. Ann Kay of Wincham indexed on Familysearch as buried Gt Budworth 9 MAR 1844 a51y regards, Elaine.

A slight correction to my last email. Ellen WILLIAMS was buried at Knutsford and not at Great Budworth. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Christine Tregonning [mailto:CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014 5:09 p.m. To: 'Cheshire' Subject: House of Correction - Ellen WILLIAMS Hello, Following on from my previous message I have located a marriage for an Ellen KAY to George WILLIAMS in Davenham in 1834. In the 1851 census they are living at Hartford Road in Castle Northwich but in the 1871 census George is married to a lady by the name of Elizabeth who is about 20 years his senior. Living with the couple are two of George's children from his marriage to Ellen, Mary aged 14 and Eliza 7. The register at Great Budworth records the burial of Ellen WILLIAMS who died at the House of Correction at Knutsford in 1858 aged 46 years. Is there any way that I can confirm whether this is the same Ellen WILLIAMS and if it is, how can I find out what she did presuming she was an inmate and not a worker there. Regards, Christine

Hello, Following on from my previous message I have located a marriage for an Ellen KAY to George WILLIAMS in Davenham in 1834. In the 1851 census they are living at Hartford Road in Castle Northwich but in the 1871 census George is married to a lady by the name of Elizabeth who is about 20 years his senior. Living with the couple are two of George's children from his marriage to Ellen, Mary aged 14 and Eliza 7. The register at Great Budworth records the burial of Ellen WILLIAMS who died at the House of Correction at Knutsford in 1858 aged 46 years. Is there any way that I can confirm whether this is the same Ellen WILLIAMS and if it is, how can I find out what she did presuming she was an inmate and not a worker there. Regards, Christine

Hello, A while ago there was a discussion about auxiliary registers and I learnt that these were available for Witton. This has sparked my recent interest in my research into my forebears from Cheshire and in particular in the area around Northwich and although I don't have a lot of money at present I have subscribed for a brief period to Find my Past so I am trying to make the most of it while I can. I have identified that Ann wife of John KAY from WINCHAM (my forebears) is most likely to be Ann FORSTER daughter of William FORSTER and Hannah FARRINGTON who were married at GREAT BUDWORTH in 1792. This ties in with a baptism of an Ann FORSTER in 1793 with parents William and Ann. I have still not been able to find a marriage for Ann FORSTER and John KAY which I had presumed took place sometime before the birth of their first identified child in 1825. It was pointed out to me that this was a bit late for a first marriage for both parties. I have since found a baptism at WITTON for an Ellen KEY who was born in 1808. Ellen's parent's were John KEY and Mary. Now there is no doubt that this John KEY and my John KAY are the same person and although I cannot find a record of any other children to this marriage a Mary KAY aged 50 from WINCHAM is recorded as being buried in 1822. Now my problem is that the copy of the register on Find My Past that gives the mother's parent's names has been cut off so that only the mother's Christian name is left. Will this be how the page was filmed or just how it has been linked on Find my Past and is there any way that I can find the full entry. Regards, Christine

You've got through to the list and then the list has sent your mail to me. I'm replying directly to you plus a copy to the list. Suggest you cross check what you've got with the browse option http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/CHESHIRE/2014-03 This shows March's mails. If you've got some, then it suggests you're on - but some ISPs can be finicky and / or stupid about mailing lists. Also, check your spam folder in case some have ended up in there. Adrian B -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Birtwisle Brown ...... Please advise if I am still on the Cheshire email list .......

I received this via the Cheshire list! Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann > Birtwisle Brown > Sent: 04 March 2014 16:25 > To: cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Not receiving any mail > > Please advise if I am still on the Cheshire email list > > The only mail that I am receiving is that from Elaine with > the replies to other peoples queries.. > Two in the last two days. > I have sent a mail check query yesterday with no response and > no return to sender either. > Can admin advise me of the situation please? > Thank you. > kind regards > Ann Brown > >

Please advise if I am still on the Cheshire email list The only mail that I am receiving is that from Elaine with the replies to other peoples queries.. Two in the last two days. I have sent a mail check query yesterday with no response and no return to sender either. Can admin advise me of the situation please? Thank you. kind regards Ann Brown

Any Macclesfield experts out there who might know where one could find a copy of this ? Regards, Lyn

Hi I wonder if anyone is researching the Duckworth family who lived at Curzon House, Curzon Park, Chester early 1900s? I have just discovered that one of my relatives - Kathleen Nancy Jones from Wrexham - appears to have married the eldest son, William Innes Duckworth, 1938. The father, Walter Battersby Duckworth was a cotton merchant of English parentage but born in Savannah, Georgia, USA c. 1879. He was in partnership at Chester with Joseph Battersby Duckworth & Hubert Battersby Duckworth - probably three brothers. Walter was also at Liverpool. Just checked on a web page and seems Joseph was the father and Walter & Hubert sons. Anyone connected out there? Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Christine, No - it isn't how the register has been filmed, only how FMP have chosen to display it. The full entry Ellen KEY is dtr of John Key of Winsham(Wincham), Rockgetter (of James & Sarah Key) of Liverpool) and Mary (of Will'm & Mary Sothurn of Winsham) born 19 MAR 1808 bap 3 APR 1808. [transcribed from the microfilm of the parish registers] Familysearch has indexed a marriage of John Key to a Mary Southern 20 DEC 1807 at St Mary & All Saints, Great Budworth - if you have some credits left it might be useful to check the entry. Now, there's a marriage indexed on Familysearch at Manchester 16 FEB 1824 of a John Kay to an Ann FONTER, I think that there's a good possibility FONTER could be a mis-transcription of FOSTER (think of the old fashioned lower case "s" and "n"). It may be worth you looking at Lancashire, many Cheshire couples married at either Liverpool or Manchester in the big churches/cathedrals. I believe you would probably need to get access to Ancestry to try and get the details of this marriage, if you are U.K. based, then a Library would be the place to enquire. Ann Kay of Wincham indexed on Familysearch as buried Gt Budworth 9 MAR 1844 a51y regards, Elaine. Subject: [CHS] Auxiliary Registers - Witton Hello, A while ago there was a discussion about auxiliary registers and I learnt that these were available for Witton. This has sparked my recent interest in my research into my forebears from Cheshire and in particular in the area around Northwich and although I don't have a lot of money at present I have subscribed for a brief period to Find my Past so I am trying to make the most of it while I can. I have identified that Ann wife of John KAY from WINCHAM (my forebears) is most likely to be Ann FORSTER daughter of William FORSTER and Hannah FARRINGTON who were married at GREAT BUDWORTH in 1792. This ties in with a baptism of an Ann FORSTER in 1793 with parents William and Ann. I have still not been able to find a marriage for Ann FORSTER and John KAY which I had presumed took place sometime before the birth of their first identified child in 1825. It was pointed out to me that this was a bit late for a first marriage for both parties. I have since found a baptism at WITTON for an Ellen KEY who was born in 1808. Ellen's parent's were John KEY and Mary. Now there is no doubt that this John KEY and my John KAY are the same person and although I cannot find a record of any other children to this marriage a Mary KAY aged 50 from WINCHAM is recorded as being buried in 1822. Now my problem is that the copy of the register on Find My Past that gives the mother's parent's names has been cut off so that only the mother's Christian name is left. Will this be how the page was filmed or just how it has been linked on Find my Past and is there any way that I can find the full entry. Regards, Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All Have you seen this website http://www.carlscam.com/index.html It has some lovely photos of various war memorials and church memorials. Most of them are in Cheshire, some in Manchester and Stockport. Ann

Good Morning The War Memorials Trust has information on "does and don'ts" for cleaning various memorial materials also what not to do! Their home page is: http://www.warmemorials.org/ Regards - David Gregory

Hi Elaine,  this is what I see in the record for Manchester,  Regards   Mike Morris   Toronto Canada  John Kay, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "  Name: John Kay  Spouse's Name: Ann Foster  Event Date: 16 Feb 1824  Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00546-6  System Origin: England-ODM  GS Film number: 438192, 438193  Reference ID:   > ________________________________ > From: Elaine Hanson <odessa@dsl.pipex.com> >> To: Christine Tregonning <CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz>; 'Cheshire' > <cheshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 6:17:45 AM >> >> Now, there's a marriage indexed on Familysearch at Manchester 16 FEB > 1824 of >> a John Kay to an Ann FONTER, I think that there's a good possibility > FONTER >> could be a mis-transcription of FOSTER (think of the old fashioned lower >> case "s" and "n"). It may be worth you looking at > Lancashire, many Cheshire >> couples married at either Liverpool or Manchester in the big >> churches/cathedrals. <snipped) > >> >> >

Hi All, In 1881 Anne GOODWIN nee HUDSON was living in North Rode. With her are a son John HUDSON and a grandson John William GOODWIN. I cannot find the connection between him and his grandmother. Ancestry indexes John as John William's father but I think it has made a false assumption. Anne HUDSON was bap 23 Apr 1809 in Gawsworth, daughter of James and Sarah. She had a son John Lawton HUDSON in 1832, born at North RODE and bap at Gawsworth. She married Samuel GOODWIN 25 Jun 1838 in Prestbury. On that date Samuel was a servant living in Macclesfield. In 1851 Anne is a widow and a charwoman in Macclesfield Union Workhouse (birth shown as 1811). I cannot find her in 1841 nor a death for Samuel. In 1861 she is living with her mother and son John in North Rode (birth year given as 1816). In 1871 she is living with son John and her name is entered as HUDSON. Also there is a nephew, Richard HUDSON, 7, b Macclesfield. If his name is, in fact, HUDSON rather than GOODWIN then he is no direct link to John William GOODWIN. The 1881 census is given above. I cannot find Anne in 1891 nor a death or marriage for her. I tried and failed to find a link to John William GOODWIN, 1872 so I ordered a birth cert. for him. I could only find one birth and the cert. says he was born 4 Apr 1872, in Mill Lane Sutton, the son of Samuel GOODWIN and Elizabeth nee SMITH. The father is a clerk in a silk mill. There is a matching marriage in Macclesfield in Apr-Jun 1860. Unfortunately I cannot find that marriage cert. on FMP. In 1881, however, there are 2 possible census entries for him. One is with "grandmother" Anne as above, the other is in Macclesfield Union Workhouse. All details are the same except for the address. So has he been entered twice or are there 2 of them and if so have I got the certificate of the one I wanted? I would have thought Macclesfield would have queried which one I wanted if there were two but I can't be sure. There are other John births and a John William in Congleton but only one John William in Macclesfield. The 1881 entry for him in the workhouse has potential siblings Edwin 10, Bertha 9 and Robert 12. Looking at potential children for Samuel and Anne (the grandparents) there are some in Tamworth but those I have found I have been able to eliminate. The most promising is George bap 2 Dec (or 30 Nov) 1838 in North Rode. There is a George b 1836, Astbury living in Odd Rode in 1851 but this is the nearest I can find. And really I want a Samuel but can't find one. Looking at Samuel and Elizabeth pairs in 1861 and 1871 gets me no further on. I cannot find a possible match. So can anyone establish the missing link? Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated. Christine

Hello, Further to my previous query which was somewhat hijacked by a discussion about Lordships I have done some further digging and I think I have come up with the answer that I was looking for although I am missing some vital information that would provide definite proof. It was pointed out to me what I thought looked like HARLINGTON was in fact HASLINGTON but I couldn't find a Mary BROOM that would fit. There was a Mary BROOM born at Church Lawton about the right time to a Hugh but the record that I was looking at was for a burial. What I did find was a Baptism of a Mary JONES who was the daughter of Hugh BROOM and Martha JONES at HASLINGTON. Further to this there is a marriage of a Mary JONES to a John WARBURTON in WITTON in 1759. Mary resided in the neighbouring parish of DAVENHAM while John was a yeoman from WITTON. What I can't find is the death or burial of John WARBURTON or any children born to John WARBURTON and Mary JONES. If I have the right marriage John WARBURTON died on or before 26 April 1764 when his widow Mary WARBURTON married Matthew STUBBS. I can find a record of five children of this marriage Sarah (no record of baptism but born about 1765), Mary (1768), Martha (1770), John (1772) and Richard (1774). Matthew STUBBS died in 1775 and Mary STUBBS married Richard NIELD in 1777. Mary STUBBS and Richard NIELD had the following children Betty (1777), Nancy (1779) and Mary (1782). Richard NIELD died in 1828 and administration of his estate was granted to his daughter Betty GANDEY. The other two people mentioned were John STUBBS of LOSTOCK GRALAM and Richard STUBBS of ALLOSTOCK. This adds weight to the theory that the widow of Matthew STUBBS married Richard NIELD. Now my question is whether this should be enough for me to conclude that the Mary WARBURTON that married my ancestor was Mary JONES the illegitimate daughter of Martha Jones and Hugh BROOM and I was wondering whether anyone else was researching WARBURTON from WITTON or thereabouts. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Christine Tregonning [mailto:CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 8:03 p.m. To: 'cheshire@rootsweb.com' Subject: Harlington - location and BROOM family (also STUBBS WARBURTON NIELD ) Hello, I am wondering if anyone can help me or tell me whether I am on the right track. I am researching my STUBBS family and I have a Matthew STUBBS who marries a widow by the name of Mary WARBURTON in 1764 at Witton. Matthew STUBBS dies in 1775. In 1777 a Mary STUBBS marries a Richard NIELD. It is easy to assume that this Mary is the widow of Matthew especially as both Matthew and Richard lived at a place called Lordship. I am keen to confirm this as well as the maiden name of Mary who married Matthew STUBBS. Mary who married Richard NIELD appears to be the daughter of Hugh and Martha BROOM who resided at a place called Harlington which I have been unable to locate. So I am looking for a marriage of a Mary BROOM to a WARBURTON. I can't find one and don't know where to look. I did find a Mary BROWN who I thought looked promising and I found a Thomas WARBURTON who died in 1764 but this Thomas appears to have died before Mary WARBURTON married Matthew. Any ideas or assistance would be appreciated. Regards, Christine

Thanks Dick. ________________________________ From: Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 16:06 Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census I can see how this one can be a difficult search! Googling Durranhill House, I see that this was a nursing home for 96 years, up to 2004 (when it was redeveloped for housing), though it had been a convent up till about 1908. It may still have been run by a religious order however, as there appears to still have been a chapel in 2004. See article from Carlisle News & Star at: http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/changing_the_face_of_the_carlisle_landscape_1_442068?referrerPath=/2.1692 Another reference, at http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-386704-durranhill-house-cumbria, indicates it was Grade II listed in 1994, not that that stopped it being redeveloped. You might just be able to find a little more relevant to your gg aunt by enquiring at Cumbria Record Office or even a Tourist office in Carlisle. Regards Dick From: JANET WESTCOTT Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:53 AM To: Dick Coleman ; cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census Yes, My great, great aunt Mary Agnes Walsh. Born 21st March 1900 at 23 Miners Row, Pendleton, Salford. Died 10th January 1970 at Durran Hill House, (Convent) Carlisle. On the 1901 census the family are at 23 Minors Row but not Mary Agnes. From: Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 8:58 Subject: Re: [CHS] Convents & Census All residents of convents are listed under their normal names, in my experience. Is there someone in particular you're unable to find? Regards Dick -----Original Message----- From: JANET WESTCOTT Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 9:38 AM To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Convents & Census Hi, Can anyone tell me how I can see who was living in convents on the census? Thanks Janet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message